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Delete per nom. Then also deleteCategory:Assassinated former heads of state as
WP:NONDEFINING. Just because someone used to be head of state at some point doesn't mean it suddenly is significant if they are assassinated like decades later. They no longer have state power or represent the state anymore.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Comment While
Shinzo Abe was a head of government, not a head of state, I still think his assassination was significant. —
Lights and freedom (
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Delete sibling too per Nl Leeuw. I tagged both categories.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:PERFCAT. Similar categories have been deleted in the past.
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Delete While league owned entities like
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Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. -
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Merge I don't see this one ever being viable. -
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I see now that this was a
unilateral page move which occurred after two separate discussions (both on
Talk:Aminé) which both ended in no consensus. Should've checked that before making this request; that's my mistake. However, I think the distinction between the two is clear enough (and both have hatnotes to each other) that I would support that page move anyway. If it would be more appropriate to reopen the conversation on the main page's name then I'm fine with that, but I'm gonna leave this here for now. At the very least, regardless of what the main page should be called, it is currently called Aminé and these categories should match that.
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Keep/Revert Main Article Name I'm usually 100% for following the consensus at the article name (no matter how terrible) but, given the history above that it was renamed against
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Well now that your move request has gone through, this is withdrawn. Consistency achieved!
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I think as a redirect with accent it can stay as is.
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Can't say I much see the point of having it as a redirect to the page if it's too confusing to be the page title itself. Surely, if the term is going to lead there either way then it should just be the page title after all, and a hatnote will suffice for clearing up confusion. And if not that, then it should point to the disambiguation page.
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Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. -
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Oppose - Marcocapelle is quite right, as is often the case.
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Nominator's rationale: While technically other animals might be able have some form of culture, I think its redundant to have "human" in this category.
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Category:Bishops of the Eparchy of Ternopil - Zboriv
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Nominator's rationale: There is no need for "
Eparchy" (diocese) as this is implicit in the ecclesiastical title. There is no need to disambiguate it from other churches as no other church has a diocese of that exact name. Arguably it could be called "Archbishops" but there is only one - the incumbent.
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Sorry - I should have noticed that. Nom amended.
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Category:Uniate archbishops of Polotsk
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Nominator's rationale: To distinguish it from similarly named archbishops in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Parentheses is the usual disambiguator for "type".
Laurel Lodged (
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Weak oppose By definition all
uniate stuff is Catholic. So far we also do not have an enwiki equivalent of
Bishops of Polotsk (Q7723551) (all of which are Orthodox). Until we do, this seems like a solution looking for a problem.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Would it still be necessary to rename this category though? Isn't "Uniate" clear enough to indicate these bishops were not Orthodox?
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Yes - I think so. See
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church where it is written "However, the term "
Uniate" became a
term of abuse in writings by Orthodox authors, and fell of out favour among Catholics themselves. The people in this church were referred to by the Catholic hierarchy primarily as Graeci catholici (
Greek Catholics) because they used the "Greek" or
Byzantine Rite, as well as more specifically Rutheni catholici (
Ruthenian Catholics).". So we should avoid a term of abuse where possible.
Laurel Lodged (
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Oh, I did not know that. Then I stand doubly corrected and will support the nom from now on. Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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But uhmmmm.... your rename proposal still includes the term "Uniate"... Oh well.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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I know it's confusing. At the time, it would have been historically accurate to speak of "Ruthenian Uniate Church", but not now. "Uniate" on its own is much more offensive.
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Nominator's rationale: The church was known as the "Ruthenian Uniate Church". It was in the Commonwealth, not of the Commonwealth. Unlike the
Patriarchate of Moscow, it was not a
Caesaropapist entity so was not a branch of the state.
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I see that Marco has already concluded essentially the same.
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Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. -
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Tajikistan and
Belarus.
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Nominator's rationale: Seems like a somewhat unnecessary
WP:SMALLCAT. The main category is not very large as is, and it's weird to characterize these as "terminology" anyway.
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Delete per nom. Then also deleteCategory:Assassinated former heads of state as
WP:NONDEFINING. Just because someone used to be head of state at some point doesn't mean it suddenly is significant if they are assassinated like decades later. They no longer have state power or represent the state anymore.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Comment While
Shinzo Abe was a head of government, not a head of state, I still think his assassination was significant. —
Lights and freedom (
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Delete sibling too per Nl Leeuw. I tagged both categories.
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Nominator's rationale:WP:PERFCAT. Similar categories have been deleted in the past.
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Delete While league owned entities like
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Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. -
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Merge I don't see this one ever being viable. -
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I see now that this was a
unilateral page move which occurred after two separate discussions (both on
Talk:Aminé) which both ended in no consensus. Should've checked that before making this request; that's my mistake. However, I think the distinction between the two is clear enough (and both have hatnotes to each other) that I would support that page move anyway. If it would be more appropriate to reopen the conversation on the main page's name then I'm fine with that, but I'm gonna leave this here for now. At the very least, regardless of what the main page should be called, it is currently called Aminé and these categories should match that.
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Keep/Revert Main Article Name I'm usually 100% for following the consensus at the article name (no matter how terrible) but, given the history above that it was renamed against
WP:RM, it's the article that is misnamed. -
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Well now that your move request has gone through, this is withdrawn. Consistency achieved!
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I think as a redirect with accent it can stay as is.
Marcocapelle (
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Can't say I much see the point of having it as a redirect to the page if it's too confusing to be the page title itself. Surely, if the term is going to lead there either way then it should just be the page title after all, and a hatnote will suffice for clearing up confusion. And if not that, then it should point to the disambiguation page.
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Merge for Now with no objection to recreating if we ever get to 5+ articles. -
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Oppose - Marcocapelle is quite right, as is often the case.
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Category:Albanian footballers from North Macedonia
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Nominator's rationale: While technically other animals might be able have some form of culture, I think its redundant to have "human" in this category.
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Nominator's rationale: There is no need for "
Eparchy" (diocese) as this is implicit in the ecclesiastical title. There is no need to disambiguate it from other churches as no other church has a diocese of that exact name. Arguably it could be called "Archbishops" but there is only one - the incumbent.
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Sorry - I should have noticed that. Nom amended.
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Nominator's rationale: To distinguish it from similarly named archbishops in the Eastern Orthodox Church. Parentheses is the usual disambiguator for "type".
Laurel Lodged (
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Weak oppose By definition all
uniate stuff is Catholic. So far we also do not have an enwiki equivalent of
Bishops of Polotsk (Q7723551) (all of which are Orthodox). Until we do, this seems like a solution looking for a problem.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Would it still be necessary to rename this category though? Isn't "Uniate" clear enough to indicate these bishops were not Orthodox?
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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Yes - I think so. See
Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church where it is written "However, the term "
Uniate" became a
term of abuse in writings by Orthodox authors, and fell of out favour among Catholics themselves. The people in this church were referred to by the Catholic hierarchy primarily as Graeci catholici (
Greek Catholics) because they used the "Greek" or
Byzantine Rite, as well as more specifically Rutheni catholici (
Ruthenian Catholics).". So we should avoid a term of abuse where possible.
Laurel Lodged (
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Oh, I did not know that. Then I stand doubly corrected and will support the nom from now on. Cheers,
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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But uhmmmm.... your rename proposal still includes the term "Uniate"... Oh well.
Nederlandse Leeuw (
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I know it's confusing. At the time, it would have been historically accurate to speak of "Ruthenian Uniate Church", but not now. "Uniate" on its own is much more offensive.
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Category:Bishops of the Uniate Church of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
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Nominator's rationale: The church was known as the "Ruthenian Uniate Church". It was in the Commonwealth, not of the Commonwealth. Unlike the
Patriarchate of Moscow, it was not a
Caesaropapist entity so was not a branch of the state.
Laurel Lodged (
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I see that Marco has already concluded essentially the same.
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:OCAWARD, receiving this award is not a defining characteristic for most of the category members. Follows similar discussions for
Tajikistan and
Belarus.
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Nominator's rationale: Seems like a somewhat unnecessary
WP:SMALLCAT. The main category is not very large as is, and it's weird to characterize these as "terminology" anyway.
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