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The disambiguation looks unnecessary on the surface, but there is a more prominent branch under
Iziaslav I of Kyiv, which would be the primary subject for this title. Although the other article and category do not exist, the name is used in this form, for example in the big table in
Grand Prince of Kiev (I have no idea whether it’s standard nomenclature or only happens to be used in Wikipedia). —MichaelZ. 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Superpowers
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn. Purged and re-parented during discussion, made into proper set category.
(non-admin closure)William Allen Simpson (
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Nominator's rationale: There have only ever been 4 worldwide superpower nations, and only 1 hyperpower nation, so delete
WP:SMALLCAT. Lately, it has been filled with historical great and regional powers. After renaming, many should be split to
Category:Great power or
Category:Regional power.
This category originated as superhuman superpowers. However, it was taken over without discussion. It has become an uncoordinated mess of barely related articles that frequently should be in more specific categories. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 16:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Agreed, marked as alternative. Delete was my initial thought, but was willing to entertain some repurposing. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 22:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
I was focusing too much on the subcategories alone. At second thought I am counting some 10 articles that truly are about the topic "superpower". So purge rather than delete. Possibly rename to
Category:Superpower (singular).
Marcocapelle (
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Qwerfjkltalk 21:41, 14 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
William Allen Simpson: I purged the category. For the remaining 10 articles, maybe a better option is to merge (with redirect) to
Category:Hegemony, since that is more clearly a topic category. What do you think?
Marcocapelle (
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I hadn't yet thought of superpowers in the meaning of "Fictional superhuman features or abilities", that is an interesting addition to the discussion. @
William Allen Simpson: do you agree this a convincing argument for merging to
Category:Hegemony after all and converting Superpowers to a dab page?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
As I'd mentioned in the nomination, this category originated as superhuman superpowers. (You and I both try to investigate the history of categories we discuss. Many thanks.) Do not merge to
Category:Hegemony. There is already a
Superpower (disambiguation) page, but a sovereign state able to project its power globally is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. William Allen Simpson (
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Oppose changing to singular. Categories are about a collection of items and should be plural. I would oppose merger to hegemony as that is a narrower concept than the role of modern superpowers.
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Category:Acting Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan
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Merge both to
Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan. Even though a person is in an acting or caretaken role, they will have much of the power of the permanently appointed one. This will also simplify succession boxes where an "as" field can be used to show status. Much the same can also be done in list articles. Note both the present subjects fail SMALLCAT.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Alumni by high school in Allentown, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only 3 other categories and is unlikely to significantly grow in the near future.
User:Namiba 15:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - it's not
WP:SMALLCAT since the category contains over 40 members, ie articles (in 3 subcats). (A subcat is not a 'member' of a category; this could be made clearer.)
Oculi (
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Reasonable I started the category. My thinking at the time was that it belonged as a sub-category of Category:Allentown, Pennsylvania, which I do still believe. The nominator above is correct, however, that it is a small category and not likely to grow. It's merger is reasonable because it would categorize it with other regional schools. The idea of doing this even crossed my mind prior to this nomination. I see the basis for doing it and the argument for not doing it is only that the category's affiliation with Allentown also made and makes some sense. It looks this proposal would meet both objectives, however.
Keystone18 (
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Support -- The individual categories are legitimate, but with only 3 or them SMALLCAT suggests merger.
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Category:Operas based on the Jason-Medea myth
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT (2), with no possibility of expansion. Both are currently in parent, so deleting will work as well. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Fictional gas giants
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Nominator's rationale: The distinction between a
gas giant and a more general
giant planet is too small to be relevant to fiction. A gas giant is a giant planet which is mostly hydrogen. –
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Category:Women's Olympic soccer players of the United States
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Great Britain
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Germany
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Denmark
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Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at
Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at
Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). I created the Denmark group yesterday before I looked at it fully. PS, apologies for adding these 5 separately, I tried to do as a bundle but couldn't work out how to use the Twinkle template in that way. Please re-format if easier.
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Women's Olympic footballers of France
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Keep The men's and women's tournaments are completely separate competitions. Separate competitions should have separate categories. That is why there are different categories for men and women footballers. Plus they are subcategories of there respective categories connected to their national teams.
Djln (
talk) 20:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Once the men's national team players are categorised as such (i.e within Fooian soccer players/footballers, alongside Fooian women's internationals rather than one being a subset of the other), the Olympic players can go in the internationals tree too without gender having to be involved. By the way, categories have been created for the USA's
bronze,
silver and
gold medallists in soccer, which are mixed even though the participants have been split! I have no strong opinion on whether those specific medallist ones should be there (only that nation has a full set of medallists by sport, e.g at
Category:Olympic silver medalists, other nations have a few random intersections like Croatia's water polo medallists and China's 2016 medallists). This means the likes of Hamm and Lilly have 6 categories for the Olympics (1996/2000/2004 footballer, US women's soccer player, US soccer gold medalist and US soccer silver medalist, we could at least reduce that by 1 if the medalists were subcats of a mixed player set).
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Television episodes set in space
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Delete both — added orphaned subcategory that should have been tagged. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:California Golden Bears women's basketball head coaches
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The disambiguation looks unnecessary on the surface, but there is a more prominent branch under
Iziaslav I of Kyiv, which would be the primary subject for this title. Although the other article and category do not exist, the name is used in this form, for example in the big table in
Grand Prince of Kiev (I have no idea whether it’s standard nomenclature or only happens to be used in Wikipedia). —MichaelZ. 22:18, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Superpowers
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The result of the discussion was:Withdrawn. Purged and re-parented during discussion, made into proper set category.
(non-admin closure)William Allen Simpson (
talk) 06:43, 30 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: There have only ever been 4 worldwide superpower nations, and only 1 hyperpower nation, so delete
WP:SMALLCAT. Lately, it has been filled with historical great and regional powers. After renaming, many should be split to
Category:Great power or
Category:Regional power.
This category originated as superhuman superpowers. However, it was taken over without discussion. It has become an uncoordinated mess of barely related articles that frequently should be in more specific categories. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 16:31, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Agreed, marked as alternative. Delete was my initial thought, but was willing to entertain some repurposing. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 22:58, 6 January 2023 (UTC)reply
I was focusing too much on the subcategories alone. At second thought I am counting some 10 articles that truly are about the topic "superpower". So purge rather than delete. Possibly rename to
Category:Superpower (singular).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 12:23, 7 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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Qwerfjkltalk 21:41, 14 January 2023 (UTC)reply
@
William Allen Simpson: I purged the category. For the remaining 10 articles, maybe a better option is to merge (with redirect) to
Category:Hegemony, since that is more clearly a topic category. What do you think?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 08:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)reply
I hadn't yet thought of superpowers in the meaning of "Fictional superhuman features or abilities", that is an interesting addition to the discussion. @
William Allen Simpson: do you agree this a convincing argument for merging to
Category:Hegemony after all and converting Superpowers to a dab page?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:19, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
As I'd mentioned in the nomination, this category originated as superhuman superpowers. (You and I both try to investigate the history of categories we discuss. Many thanks.) Do not merge to
Category:Hegemony. There is already a
Superpower (disambiguation) page, but a sovereign state able to project its power globally is the
WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. William Allen Simpson (
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Qwerfjkltalk 22:07, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Oppose changing to singular. Categories are about a collection of items and should be plural. I would oppose merger to hegemony as that is a narrower concept than the role of modern superpowers.
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Category:Acting Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan
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Merge both to
Category:Chief Ministers of Punjab, Pakistan. Even though a person is in an acting or caretaken role, they will have much of the power of the permanently appointed one. This will also simplify succession boxes where an "as" field can be used to show status. Much the same can also be done in list articles. Note both the present subjects fail SMALLCAT.
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Category:Alumni by high school in Allentown, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:SMALLCAT. This category contains only 3 other categories and is unlikely to significantly grow in the near future.
User:Namiba 15:51, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Comment - it's not
WP:SMALLCAT since the category contains over 40 members, ie articles (in 3 subcats). (A subcat is not a 'member' of a category; this could be made clearer.)
Oculi (
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Reasonable I started the category. My thinking at the time was that it belonged as a sub-category of Category:Allentown, Pennsylvania, which I do still believe. The nominator above is correct, however, that it is a small category and not likely to grow. It's merger is reasonable because it would categorize it with other regional schools. The idea of doing this even crossed my mind prior to this nomination. I see the basis for doing it and the argument for not doing it is only that the category's affiliation with Allentown also made and makes some sense. It looks this proposal would meet both objectives, however.
Keystone18 (
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Support -- The individual categories are legitimate, but with only 3 or them SMALLCAT suggests merger.
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Category:Operas based on the Jason-Medea myth
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Category:Houses associated with George Frideric Handel
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Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT (2), with no possibility of expansion. Both are currently in parent, so deleting will work as well. William Allen Simpson (
talk) 13:59, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
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Category:Fictional gas giants
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Nominator's rationale: The distinction between a
gas giant and a more general
giant planet is too small to be relevant to fiction. A gas giant is a giant planet which is mostly hydrogen. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Category:Women's Olympic soccer players of the United States
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GiantSnowman 21:43, 23 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Great Britain
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Olympic women's footballers of Denmark
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Nominator's rationale: This set of categories (at
Category:Olympic women's footballers by country, which would be emptied) are a complete outlier: no other group at
Category:Summer Olympics competitors by sport and country has been split by gender, even those which are team sports with a large number of entrants and involve no mixed gender events (eg Field hockey, Handball, Basketball). I created the Denmark group yesterday before I looked at it fully. PS, apologies for adding these 5 separately, I tried to do as a bundle but couldn't work out how to use the Twinkle template in that way. Please re-format if easier.
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Category:Women's Olympic footballers of France
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Keep The men's and women's tournaments are completely separate competitions. Separate competitions should have separate categories. That is why there are different categories for men and women footballers. Plus they are subcategories of there respective categories connected to their national teams.
Djln (
talk) 20:32, 22 January 2023 (UTC)reply
Once the men's national team players are categorised as such (i.e within Fooian soccer players/footballers, alongside Fooian women's internationals rather than one being a subset of the other), the Olympic players can go in the internationals tree too without gender having to be involved. By the way, categories have been created for the USA's
bronze,
silver and
gold medallists in soccer, which are mixed even though the participants have been split! I have no strong opinion on whether those specific medallist ones should be there (only that nation has a full set of medallists by sport, e.g at
Category:Olympic silver medalists, other nations have a few random intersections like Croatia's water polo medallists and China's 2016 medallists). This means the likes of Hamm and Lilly have 6 categories for the Olympics (1996/2000/2004 footballer, US women's soccer player, US soccer gold medalist and US soccer silver medalist, we could at least reduce that by 1 if the medalists were subcats of a mixed player set).
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Merge — presumably, nominator used something like Twinkle, that doesn't properly handle multiple nominations. William Allen Simpson (
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Delete both — added orphaned subcategory that should have been tagged. William Allen Simpson (
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