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Nominator's rationale: "Films by studio" category for a thing that isn't actually a film studio, but simply a funding agency that provides grants to the studios, with the result that the minor funding participation of Eurimages isn't a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the films. This is, further, effectively unmaintainable -- just on
IMDb alone, Eurimages has participation credits on at least 1,000 films (and when you consider how flawed and incomplete IMDb can be, it almost certainly has at least twice as many as that in reality), but just six of them have actually been highlighted for inclusion here. Films just don't need to be obsessively categorized for having received production grants from government funding agencies.
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry "films by studio" category for a company that isn't normally a film studio. The CBC is a radio and television broadcaster first and foremost, meaning that a CBC-produced film is virtually always a television film rather than a theatrical one -- but
Category:CBC Television original films already exists for that, making this redundant to that in almost every case where it could ever be useful. And while there is one theatrical non-telefilm filed here, it's one where "CBC Films Sales" was only a secondary "in association with" credit rather than a primary studio, so the minimal CBC involvement in that film isn't a
defining feature of that film. This was, further, created by Gng1999, a serial
overcategorizer who's been blocked from editing Wikipedia in part due to their serial overcategorizing.
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Years and decades in Greece (until 1820)
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Nominator's rationale: merge, Greece did not exist until 1830 so that seems the best point to start year categories. The decade categories do not have to be merged to Ottoman Empire decade categories because the articles are already in Ottoman Empire year categories insofar applicable (or in one case in a Republic of Venice year category).
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose: We have a category tree under
Category:Ottoman Greece, so I don't see how it helps to merge these year and decade categories into the Ottoman empire (which is huge). The situation seems to me analogous to the decade categories for Mexico, Cyprus, Argentina, etc, all of which have categories from before they existed as independent states. I'd be open to moving them to [[Category:####s in Ottoman Greece]].
Furius (
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That can simply be solved by nominating all 15th century to 1830 Greece categories for rename to Ottoman Greece. That is unrelated to the smallcat issues in this tree however. Note that e.g.
Category:1715 in Greece is already a subcategory of
Category:1715 in the Ottoman Empire so if upmerged that should be a target too.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename but to "Ottoman Greece". I am insufficiently knowledgeable to know how many provinces this refers to. The Ottoman province of Macedonia seems to have been divided between divided between Greece and what became Yugoslavia during the Balkan wars and anything there should be purged into a more appropriate provincial category.
Peterkingiron (
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I understand the spirit of this suggestion but I disagree in practice. "Ottoman Greece" isn't a discrete place with well-defined temporal or geographic boundaries. If you asked present-day Greek nationalists, they would include, not without all merit, not only the modern Greek republic but most of Asia Minor, Cyprus, and Northern Macedonia as "Ottoman Greece". In an article you can explain the subtleties, but that gets lost in a category. It's easier and more correct to stick to the actual provinces of the Empire when talking about events by date.
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Merge per nom for this tree specifically.--
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Support per nom. We can review Ottoman Greece separately, this solves the small cat issue before us now. -
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Category:15th-century Ottoman Jews
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Category:People from Kursk Oblast
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Category:People from Khakassia
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Category:People from Khabarovsk Krai
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Category:Supporters by football clubs in Chile
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Nominator's rationale: This main category and the three subcategories are not something that's closely defined with Wikipedia's goals and aims with the categorization of articles. Supporters or fans of a sports team don't require such a category for biographical articles. The articles under the subcats are either politicians, celebrities, or football/soccer players themselves. Not sure what makes these necessary to be included in these articles.
WikiCleanerMan (
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Delete. Supporting a football club is not, for most people, defining.
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GiantSnowman 18:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - all non-defining.
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each
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Category:Saba culture
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Both proposals with "(island)" are better than the status quo.
Marcocapelle (
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Yes. This phrase is easily ambiguous with historical Saba cultures so it really should be disambiguated one way or the other. --
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In the interest of moving this along, apparently we have to voice a more specific opinion... I'd tend to side with the original proposal, because a "Saban" demonym is not very common, and the precedent of
Category:Culture of Georgia (country) (the latter parenthesized disambiguation was brought up earlier in a similar context). --
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Rename in Some Fashion Anything with "(island)" in it is good for me.
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Category:Eritrean Catholic cathedrals
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The result of the discussion was:Merge per nomination, and redirect. The target page must be added into
Category:Eritrean Catholic Church; it is already within all the other parent categories of the nominated category already. –
FayenaticLondon 11:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per standard of other countries. There is a difference between "Eritrean Catholics who are Eastern Catholics" and "Roman Catholics who are Eritrean nationals". The Roman Castholic Church in Eritrea has been suppressed; only the Eastern Catholic church remains. Rather confusingly, it is called the "Eritrean Catholic Church".
Laurel Lodged (
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Oppose. These are Eritrean Catholic cathedrals. I don't understand the rationale. Perhaps you consider the category too small for a standalone?
Reply There are no Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea that are not Eastern Catholic. No Roman Catholic cathedral exists in Eritrea.
Laurel Lodged (
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@
Laurel Lodged Is the nominator aware that "
Eastern Catholic" is NOT the name of a
particular church but rather an umbrella term? One of the Eastern Catholic churches is literally named "the
Eritrean Catholic Church" and these cathedrals belong to that particular church. These cathedrals should be in a category both for the particular church they belong to, as well as higher-level container categories related to all Eastern Catholic churches.
67kevlar (
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The nominator is aware. The proposal is still the best way to avoid confusion and to adhere to the standard for all other Eastern Catholic sui juris church buildings.
Laurel Lodged (
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Merge (or reverse merge) and keep redirect. Under the circumstances these categories completely overlap. Note that article
Church of Our Lady of the Rosary, Asmara does not seem to fit either of the categories.
Marcocapelle (
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That church building is odd. It is not a cathedral. It used to be a Latin church building but is now Eastern Catholic.
Laurel Lodged (
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I can tentatively support a reverse merge for this and the other one where @
Marcocapelle has commented, but it doesn't make any sense to me to merge in the other direction and lose precision. Especially since the appearance of non-Eritrean, Eastern Catholic cathedrals in these cats would be highly unlikely. To put it in @
Laurel Lodged's words, "There are no Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea that are not Eritrean."
Elizium23 (
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Reply I think that there may be a misunderstanding. "Eritrean Catholic" refers to a particular denomination. It does not refer to Catholics who live in Eritrea. The denomination is to be distinguished from the Catholic Church in Eritrea (i.e. the Latin church) which used to exist in Eritrea but no longer does.
Laurel Lodged (
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Yes, I am not sure what you mean by "denomination". The
Eritrean Catholic Church is every bit as Catholic as the Latin Church. They are both in full communion. Neither call themselves "denominations". The Eritrean Catholic cathedrals listed in the cats are simultaneously Eritrean Catholic, "Roman Catholic" (broadly construed), and Eastern Catholic.
Elizium23 (
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Perhaps merging to
Category:Eritrean Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea, as a compromise? I agree that Eritrean Catholic is more specific than Eastern Catholic, but likewise "in Eritrea" is more specific than without specification of country.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Marcocapelle, that category is altogether too specific. Why be redundant about it? Is a hypothetical, future Eritrean Catholic cathedral outside Eritrea (diaspora) not going to fit in your proposed category?
Now I can see that
Category:Eastern Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea may have a future hope of being populated by non-Eritrean buildings such as an Ethiopian, Coptic, Latin, Melkite or Maronite building, for example, so there is a good rationale to establish and maintain that category regardless of its overlap with the more specific Eritrean Catholic category.
Elizium23 (
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I think the chances of a diaspora cathedral of the Eritrean Catholic Church are better than cathedrals of other Eastern Catholic churches in Eritrea, but anyway we only need two categories after one of these events will happen.
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Qwerfjkltalk 17:24, 9 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge, yes but only as proposed by nominator. I too believe that we should follow church denomination, hence, if it's
Easter Catholic than it can't be confused with a Roman - it's an autonomous church with 23 sui juris individual churches, all in communion with the Pope. I suppose that Eritrean Church has enough buildings, priests, etc. to write an article about them, so having cat for Eritrean Eastern Catholic church is absolutely a must have.--
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Category:Ethiopian Catholic cathedrals
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The result of the discussion was:Merge and redirect. –
FayenaticLondon 11:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion between the buildings of the Eastern Catholic and the Roman Catholic Church located in Ethiopia.
Laurel Lodged (
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Merge (or reverse merge) and keep redirect. Under the circumstances these categories completely overlap.
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Merge per nom, absolutely (no reverse; see my previous case explanation).--
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Nominator's rationale: "Films by studio" category for a thing that isn't actually a film studio, but simply a funding agency that provides grants to the studios, with the result that the minor funding participation of Eurimages isn't a
WP:DEFINING characteristic of the films. This is, further, effectively unmaintainable -- just on
IMDb alone, Eurimages has participation credits on at least 1,000 films (and when you consider how flawed and incomplete IMDb can be, it almost certainly has at least twice as many as that in reality), but just six of them have actually been highlighted for inclusion here. Films just don't need to be obsessively categorized for having received production grants from government funding agencies.
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry "films by studio" category for a company that isn't normally a film studio. The CBC is a radio and television broadcaster first and foremost, meaning that a CBC-produced film is virtually always a television film rather than a theatrical one -- but
Category:CBC Television original films already exists for that, making this redundant to that in almost every case where it could ever be useful. And while there is one theatrical non-telefilm filed here, it's one where "CBC Films Sales" was only a secondary "in association with" credit rather than a primary studio, so the minimal CBC involvement in that film isn't a
defining feature of that film. This was, further, created by Gng1999, a serial
overcategorizer who's been blocked from editing Wikipedia in part due to their serial overcategorizing.
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Years and decades in Greece (until 1820)
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Nominator's rationale: merge, Greece did not exist until 1830 so that seems the best point to start year categories. The decade categories do not have to be merged to Ottoman Empire decade categories because the articles are already in Ottoman Empire year categories insofar applicable (or in one case in a Republic of Venice year category).
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose: We have a category tree under
Category:Ottoman Greece, so I don't see how it helps to merge these year and decade categories into the Ottoman empire (which is huge). The situation seems to me analogous to the decade categories for Mexico, Cyprus, Argentina, etc, all of which have categories from before they existed as independent states. I'd be open to moving them to [[Category:####s in Ottoman Greece]].
Furius (
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That can simply be solved by nominating all 15th century to 1830 Greece categories for rename to Ottoman Greece. That is unrelated to the smallcat issues in this tree however. Note that e.g.
Category:1715 in Greece is already a subcategory of
Category:1715 in the Ottoman Empire so if upmerged that should be a target too.
Marcocapelle (
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Rename but to "Ottoman Greece". I am insufficiently knowledgeable to know how many provinces this refers to. The Ottoman province of Macedonia seems to have been divided between divided between Greece and what became Yugoslavia during the Balkan wars and anything there should be purged into a more appropriate provincial category.
Peterkingiron (
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I understand the spirit of this suggestion but I disagree in practice. "Ottoman Greece" isn't a discrete place with well-defined temporal or geographic boundaries. If you asked present-day Greek nationalists, they would include, not without all merit, not only the modern Greek republic but most of Asia Minor, Cyprus, and Northern Macedonia as "Ottoman Greece". In an article you can explain the subtleties, but that gets lost in a category. It's easier and more correct to stick to the actual provinces of the Empire when talking about events by date.
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Qwerfjkltalk 11:48, 30 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom for this tree specifically.--
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Support per nom. We can review Ottoman Greece separately, this solves the small cat issue before us now. -
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Category:15th-century Ottoman Jews
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Category:People from Kursk Oblast
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Category:People from Kostroma Oblast
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Category:People from the Komi Republic
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Category:People from Kirov Oblast
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Category:People from Khanty-Mansi Autonomous Okrug
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Category:People from Khakassia
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Category:People from Khabarovsk Krai
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Category:Supporters by football clubs in Chile
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Nominator's rationale: This main category and the three subcategories are not something that's closely defined with Wikipedia's goals and aims with the categorization of articles. Supporters or fans of a sports team don't require such a category for biographical articles. The articles under the subcats are either politicians, celebrities, or football/soccer players themselves. Not sure what makes these necessary to be included in these articles.
WikiCleanerMan (
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Delete. Supporting a football club is not, for most people, defining.
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GiantSnowman 18:59, 10 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete - all non-defining.
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Category:People from Kemerovo Oblast
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Nominator's rationale: Only 1 or 2 articles in each
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Category:People from the Republic of Karelia
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Category:People from Karachay-Cherkessia
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Category:People from Kamchatka Krai
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Category:People from Kaluga Oblast
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Category:People from Kaliningrad Oblast
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Category:People from Kabardino-Balkaria
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Category:People from Obluchye
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Category:Saba culture
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Both proposals with "(island)" are better than the status quo.
Marcocapelle (
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Yes. This phrase is easily ambiguous with historical Saba cultures so it really should be disambiguated one way or the other. --
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Qwerfjkltalk 10:42, 1 October 2022 (UTC)reply
In the interest of moving this along, apparently we have to voice a more specific opinion... I'd tend to side with the original proposal, because a "Saban" demonym is not very common, and the precedent of
Category:Culture of Georgia (country) (the latter parenthesized disambiguation was brought up earlier in a similar context). --
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Rename in Some Fashion Anything with "(island)" in it is good for me.
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Category:Eritrean Catholic cathedrals
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The result of the discussion was:Merge per nomination, and redirect. The target page must be added into
Category:Eritrean Catholic Church; it is already within all the other parent categories of the nominated category already. –
FayenaticLondon 11:23, 25 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per standard of other countries. There is a difference between "Eritrean Catholics who are Eastern Catholics" and "Roman Catholics who are Eritrean nationals". The Roman Castholic Church in Eritrea has been suppressed; only the Eastern Catholic church remains. Rather confusingly, it is called the "Eritrean Catholic Church".
Laurel Lodged (
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Oppose. These are Eritrean Catholic cathedrals. I don't understand the rationale. Perhaps you consider the category too small for a standalone?
Reply There are no Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea that are not Eastern Catholic. No Roman Catholic cathedral exists in Eritrea.
Laurel Lodged (
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@
Laurel Lodged Is the nominator aware that "
Eastern Catholic" is NOT the name of a
particular church but rather an umbrella term? One of the Eastern Catholic churches is literally named "the
Eritrean Catholic Church" and these cathedrals belong to that particular church. These cathedrals should be in a category both for the particular church they belong to, as well as higher-level container categories related to all Eastern Catholic churches.
67kevlar (
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The nominator is aware. The proposal is still the best way to avoid confusion and to adhere to the standard for all other Eastern Catholic sui juris church buildings.
Laurel Lodged (
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Merge (or reverse merge) and keep redirect. Under the circumstances these categories completely overlap. Note that article
Church of Our Lady of the Rosary, Asmara does not seem to fit either of the categories.
Marcocapelle (
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That church building is odd. It is not a cathedral. It used to be a Latin church building but is now Eastern Catholic.
Laurel Lodged (
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I can tentatively support a reverse merge for this and the other one where @
Marcocapelle has commented, but it doesn't make any sense to me to merge in the other direction and lose precision. Especially since the appearance of non-Eritrean, Eastern Catholic cathedrals in these cats would be highly unlikely. To put it in @
Laurel Lodged's words, "There are no Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea that are not Eritrean."
Elizium23 (
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Reply I think that there may be a misunderstanding. "Eritrean Catholic" refers to a particular denomination. It does not refer to Catholics who live in Eritrea. The denomination is to be distinguished from the Catholic Church in Eritrea (i.e. the Latin church) which used to exist in Eritrea but no longer does.
Laurel Lodged (
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Yes, I am not sure what you mean by "denomination". The
Eritrean Catholic Church is every bit as Catholic as the Latin Church. They are both in full communion. Neither call themselves "denominations". The Eritrean Catholic cathedrals listed in the cats are simultaneously Eritrean Catholic, "Roman Catholic" (broadly construed), and Eastern Catholic.
Elizium23 (
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Perhaps merging to
Category:Eritrean Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea, as a compromise? I agree that Eritrean Catholic is more specific than Eastern Catholic, but likewise "in Eritrea" is more specific than without specification of country.
Marcocapelle (
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@
Marcocapelle, that category is altogether too specific. Why be redundant about it? Is a hypothetical, future Eritrean Catholic cathedral outside Eritrea (diaspora) not going to fit in your proposed category?
Now I can see that
Category:Eastern Catholic cathedrals in Eritrea may have a future hope of being populated by non-Eritrean buildings such as an Ethiopian, Coptic, Latin, Melkite or Maronite building, for example, so there is a good rationale to establish and maintain that category regardless of its overlap with the more specific Eritrean Catholic category.
Elizium23 (
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I think the chances of a diaspora cathedral of the Eritrean Catholic Church are better than cathedrals of other Eastern Catholic churches in Eritrea, but anyway we only need two categories after one of these events will happen.
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Qwerfjkltalk 17:24, 9 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge, yes but only as proposed by nominator. I too believe that we should follow church denomination, hence, if it's
Easter Catholic than it can't be confused with a Roman - it's an autonomous church with 23 sui juris individual churches, all in communion with the Pope. I suppose that Eritrean Church has enough buildings, priests, etc. to write an article about them, so having cat for Eritrean Eastern Catholic church is absolutely a must have.--
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Category:Ethiopian Catholic cathedrals
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The result of the discussion was:Merge and redirect. –
FayenaticLondon 11:29, 25 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To avoid confusion between the buildings of the Eastern Catholic and the Roman Catholic Church located in Ethiopia.
Laurel Lodged (
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Merge (or reverse merge) and keep redirect. Under the circumstances these categories completely overlap.
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Merge per nom, absolutely (no reverse; see my previous case explanation).--
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