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Nominator's rationale: The articles listed here are all associated with Christianity. None of them are associated with other religious traditions (unless you count Maoism or Confucianism as religions)
FatalSubjectivities (
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11:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)reply
SupportCategory:Chinese Christian theologians, given that all the member pages are about Christians; Wu Leichuan was a Confucian in his youth, but converted and became notable as a Christian theologian. Naturally, a parent category can be re-created if later there are pages about Chinese theologians other than Christians. –
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Category:LGBT poets
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Nominator's rationale: Some time ago, it was determined that ‹The
templateCategory link is being
considered for merging.›Category:LGBT poets was large enough to need diffusion by nationality, but the categories got created on two different naming conventions: some are "Nationality LGBT poets", and others are "LGBT poets from Country". The challenge here, further, is that this can't just be speedied on C2C grounds, as there are also conflicting conventions in play depending on which parent tree you want to follow: if you want to ride the "LGBT writers" track then that pushes you to "LGBT poets from Country", but if you want to walk down the "Nationality poets" path then you get to "Nationality LGBT poets". So there needs to be a consensus one way or the other on which parent convention these categories should follow, with one or the other of these two sets getting renamed accordingly.
Bearcat (
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16:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Both options are an improvement over the status quo. Was there ever a specific reason to use "LGBT writers from Country" instead of "Nationality LGBT writers"? If not, option 2 is preferable and the writers should be nominated too.
Marcocapelle (
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05:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't recall that there ever was a specific reason to go with "LGBT people from X" instead of "Xian LGBT people" — if there was one, it's left my memory banks. Rather, it was much more likely just a byproduct of the fact that there was a lot less consistency about the "demonym" vs. "from country" issue 15 years ago than there is today. But like Oculi, I can remember no instances of anybody actually batching a CFD nomination to rename them, either — I think the possibility has been discussed once or twice, but nobody's ever actually tackled a comprehensive batch discussion that I can recall.
Bearcat (
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12:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
While I think of it, a batch nomination is close to undoable in this case because it can not be semi-automated. In contrast to most batch nominations this is not a matter of consistently replacing one (set of) word(s) by another (set of) word(s).
Marcocapelle (
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06:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Option 1, so it's clear what "Congolese" (DR Congo or Republic of the Congo) or "Dominican" (Dominica or the Dominican Republic) mean. I'm in favor of always doing this. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The discussion Fayenatic London linked to closed as rename as per nom i.e. using demonyms. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwerfjkltalk19:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment in relation/support to my !vote. In mono-ethnic nation-states with significant minorities (East and South-East Europe, for instance), there is a chance to discriminate against citizens of Foo on ethnic basis, especially with editors with low sensibility for ethno-national identity. Such contributors could use category to categorize only main ethnicity of Foo whose ethnic name is the same as name of the nation-state (I had experience regarding List of Foo-an painters), while disregarding others, all the while including items that don't belong at all just because they are Foo-ans never-mind from where. This could pose a potentially significant reason for disputes and disruptions.--
౪ Santa ౪99°23:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)reply
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Alt Rename I would !vote differently in an RM, but here in CFD we should defer to the article space so as not to confuse readers with different naming conventions. -
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Nominator's rationale: The articles listed here are all associated with Christianity. None of them are associated with other religious traditions (unless you count Maoism or Confucianism as religions)
FatalSubjectivities (
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11:54, 5 October 2022 (UTC)reply
SupportCategory:Chinese Christian theologians, given that all the member pages are about Christians; Wu Leichuan was a Confucian in his youth, but converted and became notable as a Christian theologian. Naturally, a parent category can be re-created if later there are pages about Chinese theologians other than Christians. –
FayenaticLondon15:44, 18 October 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:LGBT poets
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Nominator's rationale: Some time ago, it was determined that ‹The
templateCategory link is being
considered for merging.›Category:LGBT poets was large enough to need diffusion by nationality, but the categories got created on two different naming conventions: some are "Nationality LGBT poets", and others are "LGBT poets from Country". The challenge here, further, is that this can't just be speedied on C2C grounds, as there are also conflicting conventions in play depending on which parent tree you want to follow: if you want to ride the "LGBT writers" track then that pushes you to "LGBT poets from Country", but if you want to walk down the "Nationality poets" path then you get to "Nationality LGBT poets". So there needs to be a consensus one way or the other on which parent convention these categories should follow, with one or the other of these two sets getting renamed accordingly.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:20, 27 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Both options are an improvement over the status quo. Was there ever a specific reason to use "LGBT writers from Country" instead of "Nationality LGBT writers"? If not, option 2 is preferable and the writers should be nominated too.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)reply
I don't recall that there ever was a specific reason to go with "LGBT people from X" instead of "Xian LGBT people" — if there was one, it's left my memory banks. Rather, it was much more likely just a byproduct of the fact that there was a lot less consistency about the "demonym" vs. "from country" issue 15 years ago than there is today. But like Oculi, I can remember no instances of anybody actually batching a CFD nomination to rename them, either — I think the possibility has been discussed once or twice, but nobody's ever actually tackled a comprehensive batch discussion that I can recall.
Bearcat (
talk)
12:48, 29 September 2022 (UTC)reply
While I think of it, a batch nomination is close to undoable in this case because it can not be semi-automated. In contrast to most batch nominations this is not a matter of consistently replacing one (set of) word(s) by another (set of) word(s).
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:05, 30 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Option 1, so it's clear what "Congolese" (DR Congo or Republic of the Congo) or "Dominican" (Dominica or the Dominican Republic) mean. I'm in favor of always doing this. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯09:31, 28 September 2022 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: The discussion Fayenatic London linked to closed as rename as per nom i.e. using demonyms. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Qwerfjkltalk19:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment in relation/support to my !vote. In mono-ethnic nation-states with significant minorities (East and South-East Europe, for instance), there is a chance to discriminate against citizens of Foo on ethnic basis, especially with editors with low sensibility for ethno-national identity. Such contributors could use category to categorize only main ethnicity of Foo whose ethnic name is the same as name of the nation-state (I had experience regarding List of Foo-an painters), while disregarding others, all the while including items that don't belong at all just because they are Foo-ans never-mind from where. This could pose a potentially significant reason for disputes and disruptions.--
౪ Santa ౪99°23:21, 18 October 2022 (UTC)reply
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Alt Rename I would !vote differently in an RM, but here in CFD we should defer to the article space so as not to confuse readers with different naming conventions. -
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