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November 6

Category:Alphabetical lists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I sympathise with the desire of only having alphabetically ordered lists. Categorizing each list and each article that includes a list by that would create an unnecessary and extreme workload though. Especially that after each and every edit to a page, that page would need to be checked if its lists are still ordered alphabetically. – NJD-DE ( talk) 23:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Many lists aren't and shouldn't be alphabetical, but e.g. chronological. If kept anyway, it should only be added to actual lists which have consensus that they should be alphabetical, not to pages which contain one or more lists somewhere (e.g. a list of notable people in a city article) where it is added now, e.g. Keiser, Arkansas. Fram ( talk) 10:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Articles which contain a list isn't a defining characteristic. I could understand it more if it contained actual List-class articles. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 18:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - there will also be sortable lists. This particular category appears to be 'articles about places in Arkansas containing an alphabetical list'. Oculi ( talk) 18:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC) reply
    All of which are lists of notable people. Yawn. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 07:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as articles having a list sorted alphabetically is WP:NONDEFINING. None of the articles listed in the category should be there anyway, as they are articles not lists. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. "Lists" categories are for pages which are lists, not pages which are articles about topics that merely happen to embed a list — for example, if a list of notable people from a city is standing alone as its own separate article at the title List of people from City, then that would be categorized as a list, but a list of notable people that's simply contained as a subsection inside an overview article about the city does not get the city's article categorized as a "list". And even if the contents here were actually lists, which they aren't, it would serve no navigational or maintenance purpose to categorize lists for the matter of whether they were organized alphabetically or non-alphabetically anyway, so there's no pressing need to repurpose this elsewhere. Bearcat ( talk) 15:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Police departments of On Patrol: Live

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete, I can't tell why we need a category for everything related to On Patrol: Live. Everything added into this category so far is not a police department (though I've removed most of what has been added as not being a police department, it generally consists of random cities, not their actual police departments). Among Us for POTUS ( talk) 22:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Revolutionaries from West Bengal

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Category:Members of the Karatia Zamindari family

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French governors of Egypt

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Category:Transport in North America by country

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Transportation in North America by country. The "Transportation" category is bigger and contains everything in the "Transport" one. – Anne drew 17:47, 29 October 2022 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle: Im afraid I don't understand. If this is a WP:ENGVAR thing, then it suggests oppose the deletion of the transport cat and instead delete the transportation cat. Either that, or several other North America transport categories should then be renamed. Are you saying US and Mexico usage trumps the rest of the North American countries? -- DB1729 talk 19:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • That is a fair question. The situation here is quite unusual. Normally the other North American countries use the same wording as the United States. I had not noticed before that this is not the case here. Then it may well become reverse merge instead. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks for the link. I'm still neutral/unclear about this myself. If transport vs transportation is based on national varieties of English, then is it acceptable to use either term for non-English speaking countries, and for continents that use multiple varieties of English? If so, should we retain the transportation category because it was created first? Or is that exceeding the reach of MOS:RETAIN? DB1729 talk 14:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Citizens through descent

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CfD section High commissioners for Commonwealth countries

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Sierra Leone, Zambia, Malawi, and Australia are members of the Commonwealth of Nations, so the official title of diplomatic representative between them is " High Commissioner" and not " Ambassador". Siegfried Nugent ( talk) 12:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Acorn Archimedes games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Consistent with the other subcategories in Category:RISC OS software, and accounts for RISC OS games that don't support the Archimedes (e.g. Abuse, Descent, Descent II, Frak!, Heretic, Heroes of Might and Magic II, Hexen: Beyond Heretic, Quake). Ccawley2011 ( talk) 19:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Keep - We're talking about the difference between categorizing by software platform or by hardware platform. See parent cats Category:Home computer games and Category:Video games by platform. - jc37 09:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply


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Category:Head Masters of Eton College educated at Eton

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Surely I am not alone in thinking this is several intersections too far. (Created by Rathfelder.) Oculi ( talk) 21:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply
Indeed - nor Category:Actors educated at Eton College, apart from the Prime Ministers the most striking modern one. Johnbod ( talk) 17:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply
We do now have Category:Racehorse trainers educated at Eton College, thanks to the inventive mind of Rathfelder (who edits at a prodigious rate, without using any tools except Hotcat). Category:Labour MPs educated at Eton College would be easy to complete (2 of them, Tam Dalyell and Mark Fisher (politician)). Oculi ( talk) 11:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
There are a lot more Category:Labour MPs educated at Eton College than that. Shall we create it? Rathfelder ( talk) 20:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The Eton alumni category is so enormous that it needs splitting. We have recently had created "government ministers" educated at and several more. My view is that if a category can be populated as well as this one is we should have it. This is an unusual case, which should be limited to it, with Harrow, Westminster, Winchester and not much more. I suspect that Category:Writers educated at Eton College might well be found capable of being well populated. Let us await the split being completed before we think about merging back. Furthermore a by century split will not work well: it would need to be done by the decade when they left the school; otherwise we will have more overpopulated categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 20:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply
    • ??Eh?? The short time they spend at school is precisely why it would work well. Far less overlap & so double-catting needed than for career cats. There's absolutely no need for splitting by decade - why do that? But the main problem is that when these are made diffusing cats, as Rathfelder is doing, people are hidden away in cats that they are not actually known for, as with Category:Lord Lieutenants educated at Eton College. Johnbod ( talk) 16:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • The fact that other categories dont exist is not a very good argument for deleting this one. I've started with categories I know something about. Category:Cricketers educated at Eton College would be enormous and there is no reason why it cant be created. Nobody is notable just because they went to Eton or any other school. Its what they do subsequently which makes them notable. With most schools we cant break people down by occupation because there arent anough of them, but there are more than 5000 articles about Eton. The occupational categories are big enough to break down by century. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:BBC Light Programmes

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Category:8th century in Morocco

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:18, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, arguably the first Moroccan kingdom started in 788 under the Idrisid dynasty, which means that the larger part of the 8th century there wasn't anything that resembled Morocco. Articles that already are in the tree of Category:8th-century rulers in Africa should not be included in the merge (hence manually merge). Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Shopping malls by management company

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Category:Teleiodini stubs

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Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Yugoslavia and Serbia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category name is dubious, referring to two countries. Besides, it should be "manufacturers of Yugoslavia", as simply contains manufacturers from almost every former republic. ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 12:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:6th-century Arabic writers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Wikipedians who like Half-Life

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:UCFD/I#Wikipedians by video game * Pppery * it has begun... 04:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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November 6

Category:Alphabetical lists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I sympathise with the desire of only having alphabetically ordered lists. Categorizing each list and each article that includes a list by that would create an unnecessary and extreme workload though. Especially that after each and every edit to a page, that page would need to be checked if its lists are still ordered alphabetically. – NJD-DE ( talk) 23:02, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. Many lists aren't and shouldn't be alphabetical, but e.g. chronological. If kept anyway, it should only be added to actual lists which have consensus that they should be alphabetical, not to pages which contain one or more lists somewhere (e.g. a list of notable people in a city article) where it is added now, e.g. Keiser, Arkansas. Fram ( talk) 10:09, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete Articles which contain a list isn't a defining characteristic. I could understand it more if it contained actual List-class articles. - Kj cheetham ( talk) 18:30, 7 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete - there will also be sortable lists. This particular category appears to be 'articles about places in Arkansas containing an alphabetical list'. Oculi ( talk) 18:06, 8 November 2022 (UTC) reply
    All of which are lists of notable people. Yawn. – LaundryPizza03 ( d ) 07:36, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete as articles having a list sorted alphabetically is WP:NONDEFINING. None of the articles listed in the category should be there anyway, as they are articles not lists. Joseph 2302 ( talk) 09:57, 9 November 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Delete. "Lists" categories are for pages which are lists, not pages which are articles about topics that merely happen to embed a list — for example, if a list of notable people from a city is standing alone as its own separate article at the title List of people from City, then that would be categorized as a list, but a list of notable people that's simply contained as a subsection inside an overview article about the city does not get the city's article categorized as a "list". And even if the contents here were actually lists, which they aren't, it would serve no navigational or maintenance purpose to categorize lists for the matter of whether they were organized alphabetically or non-alphabetically anyway, so there's no pressing need to repurpose this elsewhere. Bearcat ( talk) 15:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Police departments of On Patrol: Live

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:04, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Delete, I can't tell why we need a category for everything related to On Patrol: Live. Everything added into this category so far is not a police department (though I've removed most of what has been added as not being a police department, it generally consists of random cities, not their actual police departments). Among Us for POTUS ( talk) 22:35, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Revolutionaries from West Bengal

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Category:Members of the Karatia Zamindari family

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French governors of Egypt

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Category:Transport in North America by country

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:05, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate of Category:Transportation in North America by country. The "Transportation" category is bigger and contains everything in the "Transport" one. – Anne drew 17:47, 29 October 2022 (UTC) reply
@ Marcocapelle: Im afraid I don't understand. If this is a WP:ENGVAR thing, then it suggests oppose the deletion of the transport cat and instead delete the transportation cat. Either that, or several other North America transport categories should then be renamed. Are you saying US and Mexico usage trumps the rest of the North American countries? -- DB1729 talk 19:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • That is a fair question. The situation here is quite unusual. Normally the other North American countries use the same wording as the United States. I had not noticed before that this is not the case here. Then it may well become reverse merge instead. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:45, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Thanks for the link. I'm still neutral/unclear about this myself. If transport vs transportation is based on national varieties of English, then is it acceptable to use either term for non-English speaking countries, and for continents that use multiple varieties of English? If so, should we retain the transportation category because it was created first? Or is that exceeding the reach of MOS:RETAIN? DB1729 talk 14:26, 31 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Citizens through descent

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CfD section High commissioners for Commonwealth countries

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:16, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Sierra Leone, Zambia, Malawi, and Australia are members of the Commonwealth of Nations, so the official title of diplomatic representative between them is " High Commissioner" and not " Ambassador". Siegfried Nugent ( talk) 12:23, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Acorn Archimedes games

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:06, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Consistent with the other subcategories in Category:RISC OS software, and accounts for RISC OS games that don't support the Archimedes (e.g. Abuse, Descent, Descent II, Frak!, Heretic, Heroes of Might and Magic II, Hexen: Beyond Heretic, Quake). Ccawley2011 ( talk) 19:54, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Keep - We're talking about the difference between categorizing by software platform or by hardware platform. See parent cats Category:Home computer games and Category:Video games by platform. - jc37 09:26, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply


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Category:Head Masters of Eton College educated at Eton

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:22, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Surely I am not alone in thinking this is several intersections too far. (Created by Rathfelder.) Oculi ( talk) 21:38, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply
Indeed - nor Category:Actors educated at Eton College, apart from the Prime Ministers the most striking modern one. Johnbod ( talk) 17:00, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply
We do now have Category:Racehorse trainers educated at Eton College, thanks to the inventive mind of Rathfelder (who edits at a prodigious rate, without using any tools except Hotcat). Category:Labour MPs educated at Eton College would be easy to complete (2 of them, Tam Dalyell and Mark Fisher (politician)). Oculi ( talk) 11:12, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
There are a lot more Category:Labour MPs educated at Eton College than that. Shall we create it? Rathfelder ( talk) 20:25, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • Keep The Eton alumni category is so enormous that it needs splitting. We have recently had created "government ministers" educated at and several more. My view is that if a category can be populated as well as this one is we should have it. This is an unusual case, which should be limited to it, with Harrow, Westminster, Winchester and not much more. I suspect that Category:Writers educated at Eton College might well be found capable of being well populated. Let us await the split being completed before we think about merging back. Furthermore a by century split will not work well: it would need to be done by the decade when they left the school; otherwise we will have more overpopulated categories. Peterkingiron ( talk) 20:39, 23 October 2022 (UTC) reply
    • ??Eh?? The short time they spend at school is precisely why it would work well. Far less overlap & so double-catting needed than for career cats. There's absolutely no need for splitting by decade - why do that? But the main problem is that when these are made diffusing cats, as Rathfelder is doing, people are hidden away in cats that they are not actually known for, as with Category:Lord Lieutenants educated at Eton College. Johnbod ( talk) 16:06, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply
  • The fact that other categories dont exist is not a very good argument for deleting this one. I've started with categories I know something about. Category:Cricketers educated at Eton College would be enormous and there is no reason why it cant be created. Nobody is notable just because they went to Eton or any other school. Its what they do subsequently which makes them notable. With most schools we cant break people down by occupation because there arent anough of them, but there are more than 5000 articles about Eton. The occupational categories are big enough to break down by century. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:23, 24 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:BBC Light Programmes

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Category:8th century in Morocco

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:18, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, arguably the first Moroccan kingdom started in 788 under the Idrisid dynasty, which means that the larger part of the 8th century there wasn't anything that resembled Morocco. Articles that already are in the tree of Category:8th-century rulers in Africa should not be included in the merge (hence manually merge). Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:11, 21 October 2022 (UTC) reply

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Shopping malls by management company

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 14#Shopping malls by management company

Category:Teleiodini stubs

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 November 14#Category:Teleiodini stubs

Category:Aircraft manufacturers of Yugoslavia and Serbia

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:19, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category name is dubious, referring to two countries. Besides, it should be "manufacturers of Yugoslavia", as simply contains manufacturers from almost every former republic. ౪ Santa ౪ 99° 12:31, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:6th-century Arabic writers

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:20, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:20, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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Category:Wikipedians who like Half-Life

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:21, 14 November 2022 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:UCFD/I#Wikipedians by video game * Pppery * it has begun... 04:38, 6 November 2022 (UTC) reply

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