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The result of the discussion was:rename all. –
FayenaticLondon 08:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename to avoid the misunderstanding that these might be historians of the Ottoman dynasty which is not the case (for the top category) and to avoid the misunderstanding that the subject of these historians might be the Ottoman Empire which is not the case either (for all these categories).
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose - the cfd quoted below removed all uses of 'Ottoman' (is it a nationality?) in favour of 'of the Ottoman Empire' (or 'from' in a few cases).
Oculi (
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Oppose, this one should be "from" because "of" may imply the Ottoman Empire is the subject of these historians rather than their citizenship.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose The proposed form would make it seem this is what they studied. Much better to use Historians from the Ottoman Empire.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Oculi and
Johnpacklambert: pinging other contributors to speedy discussions. Rathfelder reacted quicker than I could ping them.
Marcocapelle (
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Support -- Ottoman refers to the dynasty not and is not a nationality. There is no satisfactory demonym, so that this rename is necessary.
Peterkingiron (
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Support all these.
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Category:Comic strips by genre
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I think comic strips should be kept separate from comic books. Comic strips are short, appear in newspapers, tend to be focused on humour, have a longer history. Comics books by contrast have longer stories that can be complete within one issue, have credited writers/plotters/scripters, pencillers, inkers, colorists, an extensive fandom with wikis, are sold separately. The two media are distinct.
Dongord (
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@
Dongord Note the proposal does not suggest deleting neither the article about comic strips, nor its main category. I am just proposing that we don't need to have separate 'by genre' categories for regular comics and comic strips. A detective comic strip can be in category for comic strips, and detective comics. As their contents show, people often confuse comics with comic strips, and so comics are often improperly categorized as comic strips. See also discussion below. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 08:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Comic books are large and long often in colour, and sold through comic book stores. Comic strips are short, often in black and white, and usually found inside other publications.
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Oppose for now, this is a container category which means there is no point in deletion if not the subcategories are dissolved too.
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Support: Per nom. Only a single entry, and that entry's connection to the subject is very loose and non-defining.
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Nominator's rationale: I believe this proposal should be uncontroversial.
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Support per nom and grammar rules.
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People by populated place in Italy
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. I don't see a consensus to merge/delete/otherwise remove these categories, as a group. Per Pizza's suggestion, no prejudice against individual renomination of cats that are still, post-expansion, believed to be underpopulated. ♠
PMC♠
(talk) 05:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Pppery: mass deletion to get make more busy the superior categories, loosing connection with Commons and other wiki? For me completely absurd. Anyway... P.S. now
Category:People from Fiumicino has 4 element. Still delete?
MrKeefeJohn (
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With very few exceptions, the above categories do not exist on Commons either.
Marcocapelle (
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I wrote "Commons and other wiki", not only Commons, and I meant "other wikies". Anyway "few" is not a parameter, but an opinion ;-). For example how many interwiki should be? Who decides it? For example
Category:People from Giaveno has 3 elements and it,fr and Commons. Better to classificate togheter in
Category:People_from_the_Province_of_Turin with other 64 elements? Quote at 100% @
Abcmaxx:? Which is the real motivation to delete these categories? Are they really unuseful or dangerous for wiki or they just don't "fit" current rules?
MrKeefeJohn (
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Alright, I will remove these two.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose Being from a province is not the same as being from a small town and such a mass merge will create more problems in the future than it solves, there has already been several that actually do not fit the small category criteria but have been lumped in here.
Abcmaxx (
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Which problems would it cause? Which categories do not fit here?
Marcocapelle (
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Category:People from Schio now has got 40 (forty!!!!) elements. After this one I stop my search and, to be honest, I have some big doubts about the opening of this mass request of categories's deletion... Could you, @
Marcocapelle:, please explain me better? I can not understand .
MrKeefeJohn (
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The request is not about deleting, it is about merging, that is a big difference. As long as there little content at town level, the biographies can still be found at province level, so no information gets lost. If more content appears, categories can always be reestablished. I will remove the above categories that you indicated from the nomination. With respect to
Category:People from Schio I am confused, it does not make much sense that this category was so severely underpopulated.
Marcocapelle (
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I should add that we do not categorize people by place of birth alone. Per
WP:COPPLACE: the place of birth, although it may be significant from the perspective of local studies, is rarely defining from the perspective of an individual.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Note to closer, please leave the discussion open for a few weeks to give
User:MrKeefeJohn ample opportunity to populate the nominated categories where possible.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)reply
@
MrKeefeJohn, feel free to just remove >3 categories from the nomination. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, for what it's worth, I remember a tool (I think QuickCategories) for adding pages to categories based on other wikis, using WikiData. ― Qwerfjkltalk 22:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Procedural keep per
WP:TRAINWRECK. Several categories have now been populated. Instead, I'd recommend closing this and relisting individually the ones that are still underpopulated. –
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Category:Classical music instruments
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Nominator's rationale: I don't understand why this and
Category:Orchestral instruments both exist since they will largely be the same. Since other specific categories cover other facets of Western classical music, such as
Category:Baroque instruments, this category serves little purpose.
Why? I Ask (
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Category:Canaan: Extra Biblical references
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(as nom) "to" instead of "of" is perfectly fine too.
Marcocapelle (
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Support, ok with to as well.--
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The result of the discussion was:rename all. –
FayenaticLondon 08:17, 22 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename to avoid the misunderstanding that these might be historians of the Ottoman dynasty which is not the case (for the top category) and to avoid the misunderstanding that the subject of these historians might be the Ottoman Empire which is not the case either (for all these categories).
Marcocapelle (
talk) 20:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose - the cfd quoted below removed all uses of 'Ottoman' (is it a nationality?) in favour of 'of the Ottoman Empire' (or 'from' in a few cases).
Oculi (
talk) 00:10, 2 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose, this one should be "from" because "of" may imply the Ottoman Empire is the subject of these historians rather than their citizenship.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 00:28, 30 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose The proposed form would make it seem this is what they studied. Much better to use Historians from the Ottoman Empire.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 17:19, 3 May 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Oculi and
Johnpacklambert: pinging other contributors to speedy discussions. Rathfelder reacted quicker than I could ping them.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:02, 13 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Support -- Ottoman refers to the dynasty not and is not a nationality. There is no satisfactory demonym, so that this rename is necessary.
Peterkingiron (
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Support all these.
Oculi (
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Category:Comic strips by genre
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I think comic strips should be kept separate from comic books. Comic strips are short, appear in newspapers, tend to be focused on humour, have a longer history. Comics books by contrast have longer stories that can be complete within one issue, have credited writers/plotters/scripters, pencillers, inkers, colorists, an extensive fandom with wikis, are sold separately. The two media are distinct.
Dongord (
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@
Dongord Note the proposal does not suggest deleting neither the article about comic strips, nor its main category. I am just proposing that we don't need to have separate 'by genre' categories for regular comics and comic strips. A detective comic strip can be in category for comic strips, and detective comics. As their contents show, people often confuse comics with comic strips, and so comics are often improperly categorized as comic strips. See also discussion below. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus|
reply here 08:14, 10 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Comic books are large and long often in colour, and sold through comic book stores. Comic strips are short, often in black and white, and usually found inside other publications.
Dongord (
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Oppose for now, this is a container category which means there is no point in deletion if not the subcategories are dissolved too.
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Category:Super ninja2 accounts
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Support: Per nom. Only a single entry, and that entry's connection to the subject is very loose and non-defining.
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Nominator's rationale: I believe this proposal should be uncontroversial.
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Support per nom and grammar rules.
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People by populated place in Italy
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. I don't see a consensus to merge/delete/otherwise remove these categories, as a group. Per Pizza's suggestion, no prejudice against individual renomination of cats that are still, post-expansion, believed to be underpopulated. ♠
PMC♠
(talk) 05:35, 25 July 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Pppery: mass deletion to get make more busy the superior categories, loosing connection with Commons and other wiki? For me completely absurd. Anyway... P.S. now
Category:People from Fiumicino has 4 element. Still delete?
MrKeefeJohn (
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With very few exceptions, the above categories do not exist on Commons either.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:30, 13 May 2022 (UTC)reply
I wrote "Commons and other wiki", not only Commons, and I meant "other wikies". Anyway "few" is not a parameter, but an opinion ;-). For example how many interwiki should be? Who decides it? For example
Category:People from Giaveno has 3 elements and it,fr and Commons. Better to classificate togheter in
Category:People_from_the_Province_of_Turin with other 64 elements? Quote at 100% @
Abcmaxx:? Which is the real motivation to delete these categories? Are they really unuseful or dangerous for wiki or they just don't "fit" current rules?
MrKeefeJohn (
talk) 12:31, 14 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Alright, I will remove these two.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:19, 13 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Being from a province is not the same as being from a small town and such a mass merge will create more problems in the future than it solves, there has already been several that actually do not fit the small category criteria but have been lumped in here.
Abcmaxx (
talk) 09:57, 14 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Which problems would it cause? Which categories do not fit here?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 13:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Category:People from Schio now has got 40 (forty!!!!) elements. After this one I stop my search and, to be honest, I have some big doubts about the opening of this mass request of categories's deletion... Could you, @
Marcocapelle:, please explain me better? I can not understand .
MrKeefeJohn (
talk) 16:54, 14 May 2022 (UTC)reply
The request is not about deleting, it is about merging, that is a big difference. As long as there little content at town level, the biographies can still be found at province level, so no information gets lost. If more content appears, categories can always be reestablished. I will remove the above categories that you indicated from the nomination. With respect to
Category:People from Schio I am confused, it does not make much sense that this category was so severely underpopulated.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)reply
I should add that we do not categorize people by place of birth alone. Per
WP:COPPLACE: the place of birth, although it may be significant from the perspective of local studies, is rarely defining from the perspective of an individual.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:49, 15 May 2022 (UTC)reply
Note to closer, please leave the discussion open for a few weeks to give
User:MrKeefeJohn ample opportunity to populate the nominated categories where possible.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:23, 22 May 2022 (UTC)reply
@
MrKeefeJohn, feel free to just remove >3 categories from the nomination. ― Qwerfjkltalk 21:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Also, for what it's worth, I remember a tool (I think QuickCategories) for adding pages to categories based on other wikis, using WikiData. ― Qwerfjkltalk 22:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Procedural keep per
WP:TRAINWRECK. Several categories have now been populated. Instead, I'd recommend closing this and relisting individually the ones that are still underpopulated. –
LaundryPizza03 (
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Nominator's rationale: I don't understand why this and
Category:Orchestral instruments both exist since they will largely be the same. Since other specific categories cover other facets of Western classical music, such as
Category:Baroque instruments, this category serves little purpose.
Why? I Ask (
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(as nom) "to" instead of "of" is perfectly fine too.
Marcocapelle (
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Support, ok with to as well.--
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