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A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pest.I am not entirely certain but I think you mean that agricultural pests are always said to be "invasive" in a particular plant, livestock animal's body, or field. That is in fact never said. That term is never used that way. On the general question of Invasive categories I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration by a government body currently/formerly hunting that species or by a RS saying the same. This would be as appropriate as any other
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talk) 2 February 2022 (UTC)I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration ... or by a RS saying the same: Would you be in favor of alternatively of a category system such as Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database [1] or Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada, [2]? Personally those seem a bit trivial as WP categories and might be better as "list" articles if present on Wikipedia at all. I agree if a species is going to be called invasive on WP, it needs to be specifically called invasive in a RS, e.g. 100 of the World's Worst Invasive Alien Species (which, sidenote, people looove to add species to even though it is very clear that it is a specific, narrow, cited list).
A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pestI'm referring to the most broadly accepted definition of invasive species, e.g. "An invasive species is a non-native species ... whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic harm, environmental harm, or harm to human health. " [3] Since economic harm alone is a type of invasiveness, and economic harm can take the form of being an agricultural pest, under that definition, being an agricultural pest is a type of invasiveness when that species is not native to the area where it is causing harm. So, under most broadly accepted definitions, "invasive agricultural pest" is exactly synonymous with "non-native agricultural pest", and past CfDs have been pretty clear that introduced/non-native status itself isn't worthy of categorization for individual taxon pages. Or, are you saying that an agricultural pest may not cause economic, environmental, or human harm? I think that is tautological per the definition of "pest", so I am coming up short on examples. I'm not totally sure what you believe was incorrect about the statement and would appreciate any clarification! — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 18:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
[[Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database]] or [[Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada]]I agree those are trivial. I am suggesting combined categories of any invasive listed by any RS. A Nevada category made up of Nevada's state government or any other authority saying a problem exists.
Since economic harm alone is a type of invasivenessMisunderstanding. That term is never used that way.
past CfDsYes I am aware. I simply don't like that and want to change it. Invasive Spices ( talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)
All agricultural pests are native in their original range and invasive when they reach new lands.Some are invasive natives. Many pests are not in an ongoing invasion, having a stable range but eating things we would rather they did not. Invasive Spices ( talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 ( talk) 08:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 ( talk) 08:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: The two categories appear to have the same scope, and Water supply in Western Australia has only recently been created. (Strictly speaking "management" could include sewerage whereas "supply" would not, but there appears to be no such entries in Water management in Western Australia.) Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: Its not likely appropriate to have a category for a long abolished unit. As with Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 21#Category:Armidale Dumaresq Shire its likely that there won't be many other articles for the hundred its self. I emptied this category a few days ago but the author re added pages to I bring this to CFD. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Parish | No. of categories | Stub |
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Ampton | 5 | yes |
Beyton | 4 | no |
Bradfield Combust | 4 | no |
Bradfield St Clare | 5 | yes |
Bradfield St George | 5 | yes |
Drinkstone | 5 | yes |
Felsham | 5 | yes |
Fornham St Genevieve | 4 | no |
Fornham St Martin | 5 | yes |
Gedding | 5 | yes |
Great Barton | 4 | no |
Great Welnetham | 5 | yes |
Hessett | 4 | no |
Little Welnetham | 5 | yes |
Livermere Magna | 4 | no |
Pakenham | 4 | no |
Rattlesden | 4 | no |
Rougham | 4 | no |
Rushbrooke | 4 | no |
Stanningfield | 4 | no |
Thurston | 4 | no |
Timworth | 4 | no |
Tostock | 4 | no |
Woolpit | 8 | no |
So Aside from Woolpit, all the parishes have only 4 or 5 categories, and in each of these cases presence of a stub category is what makes the difference between 4 or 5. If we do more work on those stubs, we can soon get the number of categories down to 2. As for Woolpit, well, perhaps @Marcocapelle would like to make their opinions known as they have clearly already given this some thought. My view is that perhaps they may have a case with pages like Abraham Lincoln, with over 40 categories, but none of our villages, not even a lively place like Woolpit, have anything like that many categories. Perhaps if we start having pages with a couple of dozen categories we can revisit the issue then. Leutha ( talk) 12:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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02:12, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: This is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 22#Category:World conquest games. There was consensus to merge that parent to Wargames, and a suggestion to likewise nominate Category:Grand strategy wargames & subcats. However, there is a lead article for grand strategy game with citations for the term, e.g. [4], so I have not nominated those siblings. – Fayenatic London 22:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: the word "woolen" can be spelled "woollen" and the idiom "Wool clothing" is more exact.
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Nominator's rationale: manually merge, the category is not about terminology (i.e. a language category) but rather contains a hodgepodge of unrelated terms. Many of the articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Psychoanalysis so they can just be purged here. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pest.I am not entirely certain but I think you mean that agricultural pests are always said to be "invasive" in a particular plant, livestock animal's body, or field. That is in fact never said. That term is never used that way. On the general question of Invasive categories I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration by a government body currently/formerly hunting that species or by a RS saying the same. This would be as appropriate as any other
[[Category:Current events ...]]
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Invasive Spices (
talk) 2 February 2022 (UTC)I oppose the status quo: Ongoing invasions can and should be determined by declaration ... or by a RS saying the same: Would you be in favor of alternatively of a category system such as Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database [1] or Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada, [2]? Personally those seem a bit trivial as WP categories and might be better as "list" articles if present on Wikipedia at all. I agree if a species is going to be called invasive on WP, it needs to be specifically called invasive in a RS, e.g. 100 of the World's Worst Invasive Alien Species (which, sidenote, people looove to add species to even though it is very clear that it is a specific, narrow, cited list).
A type of invasiveness is being an agricultural pestI'm referring to the most broadly accepted definition of invasive species, e.g. "An invasive species is a non-native species ... whose introduction causes or is likely to cause economic harm, environmental harm, or harm to human health. " [3] Since economic harm alone is a type of invasiveness, and economic harm can take the form of being an agricultural pest, under that definition, being an agricultural pest is a type of invasiveness when that species is not native to the area where it is causing harm. So, under most broadly accepted definitions, "invasive agricultural pest" is exactly synonymous with "non-native agricultural pest", and past CfDs have been pretty clear that introduced/non-native status itself isn't worthy of categorization for individual taxon pages. Or, are you saying that an agricultural pest may not cause economic, environmental, or human harm? I think that is tautological per the definition of "pest", so I am coming up short on examples. I'm not totally sure what you believe was incorrect about the statement and would appreciate any clarification! — Hyperik ⌜ talk⌟ 18:24, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
[[Category:Agricultural pests in the Global Invasive Species Database]] or [[Category:State-listed noxious weeds of Nevada]]I agree those are trivial. I am suggesting combined categories of any invasive listed by any RS. A Nevada category made up of Nevada's state government or any other authority saying a problem exists.
Since economic harm alone is a type of invasivenessMisunderstanding. That term is never used that way.
past CfDsYes I am aware. I simply don't like that and want to change it. Invasive Spices ( talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)
All agricultural pests are native in their original range and invasive when they reach new lands.Some are invasive natives. Many pests are not in an ongoing invasion, having a stable range but eating things we would rather they did not. Invasive Spices ( talk) 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 ( talk) 08:49, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: Why we need category for TV Series? 42774 ( talk) 08:56, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: The two categories appear to have the same scope, and Water supply in Western Australia has only recently been created. (Strictly speaking "management" could include sewerage whereas "supply" would not, but there appears to be no such entries in Water management in Western Australia.) Mitch Ames ( talk) 12:52, 4 January 2022 (UTC)
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plicit
02:38, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Its not likely appropriate to have a category for a long abolished unit. As with Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 July 21#Category:Armidale Dumaresq Shire its likely that there won't be many other articles for the hundred its self. I emptied this category a few days ago but the author re added pages to I bring this to CFD. Crouch, Swale ( talk) 22:25, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
Parish | No. of categories | Stub |
---|---|---|
Ampton | 5 | yes |
Beyton | 4 | no |
Bradfield Combust | 4 | no |
Bradfield St Clare | 5 | yes |
Bradfield St George | 5 | yes |
Drinkstone | 5 | yes |
Felsham | 5 | yes |
Fornham St Genevieve | 4 | no |
Fornham St Martin | 5 | yes |
Gedding | 5 | yes |
Great Barton | 4 | no |
Great Welnetham | 5 | yes |
Hessett | 4 | no |
Little Welnetham | 5 | yes |
Livermere Magna | 4 | no |
Pakenham | 4 | no |
Rattlesden | 4 | no |
Rougham | 4 | no |
Rushbrooke | 4 | no |
Stanningfield | 4 | no |
Thurston | 4 | no |
Timworth | 4 | no |
Tostock | 4 | no |
Woolpit | 8 | no |
So Aside from Woolpit, all the parishes have only 4 or 5 categories, and in each of these cases presence of a stub category is what makes the difference between 4 or 5. If we do more work on those stubs, we can soon get the number of categories down to 2. As for Woolpit, well, perhaps @Marcocapelle would like to make their opinions known as they have clearly already given this some thought. My view is that perhaps they may have a case with pages like Abraham Lincoln, with over 40 categories, but none of our villages, not even a lively place like Woolpit, have anything like that many categories. Perhaps if we start having pages with a couple of dozen categories we can revisit the issue then. Leutha ( talk) 12:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)
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Nominator's rationale: This is a follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 22#Category:World conquest games. There was consensus to merge that parent to Wargames, and a suggestion to likewise nominate Category:Grand strategy wargames & subcats. However, there is a lead article for grand strategy game with citations for the term, e.g. [4], so I have not nominated those siblings. – Fayenatic London 22:37, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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WP:SOCKSTRIKE
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Nominator's rationale: manually merge, the category is not about terminology (i.e. a language category) but rather contains a hodgepodge of unrelated terms. Many of the articles are already in a more specific subcategory of Category:Psychoanalysis so they can just be purged here. Marcocapelle ( talk) 12:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
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