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Category:Algerian cosmologists
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Cardiac arrest deaths
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Nominator's rationale: Collection of categories created in the last few days, mostly with a single member article. Not
WP:CATDEF, people are not generally defined by having died from cardiac arrest, particularly for having died of it in a particular place.
Comment: If someone has the time, all of 20SS00's recreations of the Cardiovascular diseases tree, as well as their newly created trees (Stroke-related deaths, etc.) will need to be taken care of. --
Paul_012 (
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20:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths from cardiopulmonary arrest
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Yes, they may sound like they are the same thing and they are, except that the difference is that blood flow stops during a cardiac arrest, whereas breathing stops during a cardiopulmonary arrest.
20SS00 (
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12:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
As the merge target will be deleted (see discussion above), delete this category too. Cardiopulmonary arrest and cardiac arrest is a trivial distinction except in medical context (which is not the case here).
Marcocapelle (
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05:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete as well as all subcategories. Cardiopulmonary arrest (as well as cardiac arrest) is a mode of death, not an actual cause of death, and is thus never a defining characteristic. The suggested target should also be deleted anyway as recreation of a category previously deleted by consensus. --
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05:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Historical governments of Crimea
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Oppose The proposed category is far, far wider than the current category - Historical governments of Crimea covers the variety of governments that have existed in Crimea. Political history would cover elections, referendums and presidents. Political history is a decent category - but it is too wide for this.
JASpencer (
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10:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
JASpencer:These would make good subcategories for political history. However, the parent category is political history, not the messy "Historical governments of Crimea". Under this category there should be made a
Category:Governments in Crimea, as per precedent seen elsewhere. Note that not all current occupants of the category belong in that subcategory, as
Jewish autonomy in Crimea is not a historical government of Crimea, but is most definitely relevant to its political history.
Hecseur (
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00:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: As for this, there seems to be a misunderstanding, as Crimea is NOT a FORMER territorial entity. Crimea is not a former country, nor a former subdivision of a country, it is the geogrpahic territorial entity of the Crimean peninsula.
Hecseur (
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01:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle and
JASpencer: Thanks for the ping! However, I oppose this proposal as the content of the category is not consistent with the entries contained in
Category:Former territorial entities; In this category, "former territorial entities" are divided into former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries: While most of the content of
Category:Historical governments of Crimea belongs to these different categories, creating an entire category specific to Crimea that contains all 3 just doesn't fit the way this category tree is sorted. There would need to be many different categories created relating to Crimean political history which can then be sorted under the former territorial entities category tree (all of which, of course, would be subcategories of the hyopthetical
Category:Political history of Crimea).
Hecseur (
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12:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I am puzzled by this argument. Why would subcatting in another part of the tree prevent having this category a name that describes its content properly?
Marcocapelle (
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05:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Because it's inconsistent with how the category tree is organised. There is no category that
Category:Former territorial entities in Crimea fits in as a subcategory in this tree.
Historical governments of Crimea contains all 3 of the subcategories of former territorial entities (former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries), hence the only logical parent category to put it under would be
Category:Former territorial entities in Europe... Except it doesn't make sense, since there isn't a single region or country that's categorised that way. It's completely inconsistent with the logic at play. This is why I believe this category should be broken up to different subcategories about common historical/political subjects: That way, all of these different categories can both be sorted under the category tree of former entities, while also all being contained as subcategories of
Category:Political history of Crimea.
Hecseur (
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06:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The only thing that you might conclude from other sibling categories by region not existing is that it is not a good idea to categorize former polities by region at all. That might be a fair point. Though we do have
Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan as a precedent. In any case it is not a reason to name the category different from what it actually contains.
Marcocapelle (
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11:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
But political history is wider than that, it includes things such as elections, political incidents and personalities. It would need a subcategory quite quickly for the unusually large number of former entities that controlled Crimea. What would you call that sub category?
JASpencer (
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07:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what it intends to do. I've read it twice and still not understood it. Sorry for being slow here. 19:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
JASpencer (
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I agree, the "of which Crimea was part" addition probably clashes with
WP:CATDEF in some scenarios, too. With the approval from Marcocapelle I'll start working on
Category:Political history of Crimea and it's subcategories when I have some free time, unless someone has objections in the coming days.
Hecseur (
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03:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I apologise for not responding earlier, I've been away for a few days. My proposal is indeed an Alt Rename to
Category:Political history of Crimea. I'm currently underway on on creating and listing all the subcategories/articles that can additionally populate this category, as it has a bigger scope than the original name. Some of the to-do list is currently on my
user page.
Hecseur (
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08:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Algerian cosmologists
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Cardiac arrest deaths
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Nominator's rationale: Collection of categories created in the last few days, mostly with a single member article. Not
WP:CATDEF, people are not generally defined by having died from cardiac arrest, particularly for having died of it in a particular place.
Comment: If someone has the time, all of 20SS00's recreations of the Cardiovascular diseases tree, as well as their newly created trees (Stroke-related deaths, etc.) will need to be taken care of. --
Paul_012 (
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20:58, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Deaths from cardiopulmonary arrest
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Yes, they may sound like they are the same thing and they are, except that the difference is that blood flow stops during a cardiac arrest, whereas breathing stops during a cardiopulmonary arrest.
20SS00 (
talk)
12:44, 20 June 2022 (UTC)reply
As the merge target will be deleted (see discussion above), delete this category too. Cardiopulmonary arrest and cardiac arrest is a trivial distinction except in medical context (which is not the case here).
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:44, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete as well as all subcategories. Cardiopulmonary arrest (as well as cardiac arrest) is a mode of death, not an actual cause of death, and is thus never a defining characteristic. The suggested target should also be deleted anyway as recreation of a category previously deleted by consensus. --
Paul_012 (
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05:47, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Historical governments of Crimea
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Oppose The proposed category is far, far wider than the current category - Historical governments of Crimea covers the variety of governments that have existed in Crimea. Political history would cover elections, referendums and presidents. Political history is a decent category - but it is too wide for this.
JASpencer (
talk)
10:48, 17 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
JASpencer:These would make good subcategories for political history. However, the parent category is political history, not the messy "Historical governments of Crimea". Under this category there should be made a
Category:Governments in Crimea, as per precedent seen elsewhere. Note that not all current occupants of the category belong in that subcategory, as
Jewish autonomy in Crimea is not a historical government of Crimea, but is most definitely relevant to its political history.
Hecseur (
talk)
00:49, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle: As for this, there seems to be a misunderstanding, as Crimea is NOT a FORMER territorial entity. Crimea is not a former country, nor a former subdivision of a country, it is the geogrpahic territorial entity of the Crimean peninsula.
Hecseur (
talk)
01:00, 18 June 2022 (UTC)reply
@
Marcocapelle and
JASpencer: Thanks for the ping! However, I oppose this proposal as the content of the category is not consistent with the entries contained in
Category:Former territorial entities; In this category, "former territorial entities" are divided into former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries: While most of the content of
Category:Historical governments of Crimea belongs to these different categories, creating an entire category specific to Crimea that contains all 3 just doesn't fit the way this category tree is sorted. There would need to be many different categories created relating to Crimean political history which can then be sorted under the former territorial entities category tree (all of which, of course, would be subcategories of the hyopthetical
Category:Political history of Crimea).
Hecseur (
talk)
12:45, 21 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I am puzzled by this argument. Why would subcatting in another part of the tree prevent having this category a name that describes its content properly?
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:04, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
Because it's inconsistent with how the category tree is organised. There is no category that
Category:Former territorial entities in Crimea fits in as a subcategory in this tree.
Historical governments of Crimea contains all 3 of the subcategories of former territorial entities (former administrative divisions, former colonies, and former countries), hence the only logical parent category to put it under would be
Category:Former territorial entities in Europe... Except it doesn't make sense, since there isn't a single region or country that's categorised that way. It's completely inconsistent with the logic at play. This is why I believe this category should be broken up to different subcategories about common historical/political subjects: That way, all of these different categories can both be sorted under the category tree of former entities, while also all being contained as subcategories of
Category:Political history of Crimea.
Hecseur (
talk)
06:06, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
The only thing that you might conclude from other sibling categories by region not existing is that it is not a good idea to categorize former polities by region at all. That might be a fair point. Though we do have
Category:Former political entities in Afghanistan as a precedent. In any case it is not a reason to name the category different from what it actually contains.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
11:07, 22 June 2022 (UTC)reply
But political history is wider than that, it includes things such as elections, political incidents and personalities. It would need a subcategory quite quickly for the unusually large number of former entities that controlled Crimea. What would you call that sub category?
JASpencer (
talk)
07:17, 23 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I'm not sure what it intends to do. I've read it twice and still not understood it. Sorry for being slow here. 19:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC) — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
JASpencer (
talk •
contribs)
I agree, the "of which Crimea was part" addition probably clashes with
WP:CATDEF in some scenarios, too. With the approval from Marcocapelle I'll start working on
Category:Political history of Crimea and it's subcategories when I have some free time, unless someone has objections in the coming days.
Hecseur (
talk)
03:00, 27 June 2022 (UTC)reply
I apologise for not responding earlier, I've been away for a few days. My proposal is indeed an Alt Rename to
Category:Political history of Crimea. I'm currently underway on on creating and listing all the subcategories/articles that can additionally populate this category, as it has a bigger scope than the original name. Some of the to-do list is currently on my
user page.
Hecseur (
talk)
08:13, 14 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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