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Oppose - I am somewhat concerned about the way these are being renamed (sometimes speedily) and re-scoped.
Category:Martial arts in fiction is wider than
Category:Martial arts fiction; 'fictional martial artists' are 'in fiction' but not 'fiction'. The comparison between a topic category (eg
Category:Film) and a set category (eg
Category:Films) springs to mind.
Oculi (
talk) 11:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Categories have to be defining. If character categories do not fit in the new categories, perhaps they should be removed from the new categories, which should only contain examples of fiction, not the characters therein. After all, they are members of "fiction by topic", and there's a separate parent category "elements of fiction".
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 05:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Rename if it is not significant enough to the work to justifiy the target names, it is not significant enough to categorize by. We should not be categorizing by every scene in a movie, only ones that define the work as a whole.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Water transport in fiction
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Nominator's rationale: What fiction defined by being about water transport would not qualify as nautical fiction? Since there is a full overlap, this category should be combined with the defining one, if there is anything to combine.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge, the two categories seem to have the same scope.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Category:Canals in fiction can simply be upmerged to
Category:Fiction about transport. Does there really, specifically need to be a middle category specifying that it is indeed "water transport"? Similarly, I question why
Category:Works about water transport needs to exist and could not just be a part of
Category:Works about transport. That category was made very recently by a random user and was not part of the established scheme before then. By the way, a canal is not necessarily a mode of transport.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 22:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That doesn't answer my question about
Category:Works about water transport - it was created five years ago and is not proposed for deletion or merging, and without it I would have asked the same question about
Category:Works about transport - should each article or subcategory be categorised individually, should
Category:Nautical fiction be included in it, or should there be a subcategory of transport?
Peter James (
talk) 21:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)reply
There were two articles in the nominated category but I moved them to subcategories. I guess that makes the question moot, there are no longer articles to be categorized individually.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. The first one sounds more like a bachelor's degree thesis than a category.
JBchrchtalk 11:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Family in fiction
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Support in principle as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. The category should also be containerized, otherwise almost every article about fiction might be added.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Not sure about this change, families can be in fiction (in fact, families figure somewhat in many books of fiction) without being ABOUT those families. But "Family in fiction" seems too broad to be useful as a category. LizRead!Talk! 20:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Origami in fiction
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Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Nominator's rationale: "Fiction that uses blood as a plot element" is not defining, nor is it likely that it can be made so by renaming this category. As something that is intrinsically not defining for works of fiction, this category should be deleted.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 11:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Many articles are already in a dark fantasy, horror or paranormal category, more appropriately so.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete blood as a plot element is not a defining part of fiction period.
John Pack Lambert (
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Oppose - I am somewhat concerned about the way these are being renamed (sometimes speedily) and re-scoped.
Category:Martial arts in fiction is wider than
Category:Martial arts fiction; 'fictional martial artists' are 'in fiction' but not 'fiction'. The comparison between a topic category (eg
Category:Film) and a set category (eg
Category:Films) springs to mind.
Oculi (
talk) 11:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Categories have to be defining. If character categories do not fit in the new categories, perhaps they should be removed from the new categories, which should only contain examples of fiction, not the characters therein. After all, they are members of "fiction by topic", and there's a separate parent category "elements of fiction".
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 05:06, 18 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Rename if it is not significant enough to the work to justifiy the target names, it is not significant enough to categorize by. We should not be categorizing by every scene in a movie, only ones that define the work as a whole.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 19:34, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Water transport in fiction
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Nominator's rationale: What fiction defined by being about water transport would not qualify as nautical fiction? Since there is a full overlap, this category should be combined with the defining one, if there is anything to combine.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 21:11, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge, the two categories seem to have the same scope.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:54, 10 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Category:Canals in fiction can simply be upmerged to
Category:Fiction about transport. Does there really, specifically need to be a middle category specifying that it is indeed "water transport"? Similarly, I question why
Category:Works about water transport needs to exist and could not just be a part of
Category:Works about transport. That category was made very recently by a random user and was not part of the established scheme before then. By the way, a canal is not necessarily a mode of transport.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 22:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)reply
That doesn't answer my question about
Category:Works about water transport - it was created five years ago and is not proposed for deletion or merging, and without it I would have asked the same question about
Category:Works about transport - should each article or subcategory be categorised individually, should
Category:Nautical fiction be included in it, or should there be a subcategory of transport?
Peter James (
talk) 21:41, 15 July 2022 (UTC)reply
There were two articles in the nominated category but I moved them to subcategories. I guess that makes the question moot, there are no longer articles to be categorized individually.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. The first one sounds more like a bachelor's degree thesis than a category.
JBchrchtalk 11:40, 22 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Family in fiction
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Support in principle as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic. The category should also be containerized, otherwise almost every article about fiction might be added.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:57, 10 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Comment Not sure about this change, families can be in fiction (in fact, families figure somewhat in many books of fiction) without being ABOUT those families. But "Family in fiction" seems too broad to be useful as a category. LizRead!Talk! 20:48, 21 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Origami in fiction
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Support as a category name phrased more clearly as based on a defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Nominator's rationale: "Fiction that uses blood as a plot element" is not defining, nor is it likely that it can be made so by renaming this category. As something that is intrinsically not defining for works of fiction, this category should be deleted.
ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (
ᴛ) 11:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. Many articles are already in a dark fantasy, horror or paranormal category, more appropriately so.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:45, 9 July 2022 (UTC)reply
Delete blood as a plot element is not a defining part of fiction period.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 19:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)reply
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