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Category:Botanical collectors active in Australia
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Keep. For a person who is interested in Australian botanical history, there's an "obvious difference". I don't see how deleting this improves the encyclopedia. It seems that creating more such "Botanical collectors active in..." categories would.
Hesperian00:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Maybe first you can clarify what you meant by "no obvious difference" -- no obvious difference between what and what?
Hesperian23:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Australia should not be treated differently, the discussion rather is whether Botanical collectors or Plant collectors categories should be started in other countries too, or whether the merge should go ahead as nominated. Both viewpoints have their merits. If merged, at least leave a comment on the category page that the category includes non-professional botanical collectors.
Marcocapelle (
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21:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
In botany there doesnt seem to be a big difference between amateurs and professionals. Plenty of people clearly started as amateur plant collectors and then went on to publish scientific papers. And most botanists collected plants. This is not defining.
Rathfelder (
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22:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The articles must not be merged. The difference is not amateurs versus professionals. Collecting is a different task from identifying and classifying (tasks which make someone a botanist). Those who identify, classify and write articles about the plants they identify, classify and do taxonomy on, are botanists (whether paid or unpaid, amateur or professional). And while many (if not most) botanists collect, the converse is not true. (Many of
Ferdinand von Mueller's collectors in Australia were settlers,who sent him their specimens to be identified. They were certainly not botanists. See e.g.
Mary Ann McHard.
MargaretRDonald (
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21:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Merge Support Hesperians and Margaret Donald's assertions - to assert the observed behaviours of collectors and ascribing hobbyists as being coterminous with botanists is a strange correlation - also to collapse the status into professional/amateur distinction is simply wrong, as is nothing to do with not a big difference, the field of people involved in the two different occupations is not as simple as asserted above. Merging is simply showing a clear misunderstanding of the distinctions between the two occupations.
JarrahTree13:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Miss Thailand
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SupportMiss Thailand will make an appropriate main article for the other. The bios (my sample was all stubs) in this category belong in the winners category. I think this probably needs to be an exception to OCAWARDS as the women are probably notable for nothing else.
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18:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Botanical collectors active in Australia
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Keep. For a person who is interested in Australian botanical history, there's an "obvious difference". I don't see how deleting this improves the encyclopedia. It seems that creating more such "Botanical collectors active in..." categories would.
Hesperian00:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Maybe first you can clarify what you meant by "no obvious difference" -- no obvious difference between what and what?
Hesperian23:42, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Australia should not be treated differently, the discussion rather is whether Botanical collectors or Plant collectors categories should be started in other countries too, or whether the merge should go ahead as nominated. Both viewpoints have their merits. If merged, at least leave a comment on the category page that the category includes non-professional botanical collectors.
Marcocapelle (
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21:40, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
In botany there doesnt seem to be a big difference between amateurs and professionals. Plenty of people clearly started as amateur plant collectors and then went on to publish scientific papers. And most botanists collected plants. This is not defining.
Rathfelder (
talk)
22:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
The articles must not be merged. The difference is not amateurs versus professionals. Collecting is a different task from identifying and classifying (tasks which make someone a botanist). Those who identify, classify and write articles about the plants they identify, classify and do taxonomy on, are botanists (whether paid or unpaid, amateur or professional). And while many (if not most) botanists collect, the converse is not true. (Many of
Ferdinand von Mueller's collectors in Australia were settlers,who sent him their specimens to be identified. They were certainly not botanists. See e.g.
Mary Ann McHard.
MargaretRDonald (
talk)
21:26, 11 April 2022 (UTC)reply
Oppose Merge Support Hesperians and Margaret Donald's assertions - to assert the observed behaviours of collectors and ascribing hobbyists as being coterminous with botanists is a strange correlation - also to collapse the status into professional/amateur distinction is simply wrong, as is nothing to do with not a big difference, the field of people involved in the two different occupations is not as simple as asserted above. Merging is simply showing a clear misunderstanding of the distinctions between the two occupations.
JarrahTree13:48, 13 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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Category:Miss Thailand
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SupportMiss Thailand will make an appropriate main article for the other. The bios (my sample was all stubs) in this category belong in the winners category. I think this probably needs to be an exception to OCAWARDS as the women are probably notable for nothing else.
Peterkingiron (
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18:54, 5 April 2022 (UTC)reply
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