April 19
Category:Quincy Jones family
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
✗
plicit
02:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Quincy Jones family to Category:Family of Quincy Jones
- Nominator's rationale: Standard naming for families of individuals. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not necessary. No link to support claim of "standard naming". --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
07:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- See Category:Family by person. Current naming makes it seem like the whole family is named "Quincy Jones" instead of being people who are family of an individual person. ★Trekker ( talk) 15:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- No it does not. --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well thats what you think, fact is still that "Family of Foo" is still standard over "Foo family". ★Trekker ( talk) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- No it does not. --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename, obvious case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with other subcats of Category:Family by person. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Ascension Thursday songs
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Easter hymns. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete or merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. As there is no category for Ascension Thursday, possibly merge to Category:Eastertide. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Easter hymns. There is not yet a category for the Ascension of Jesus, although there may be scope for this to be usefully created. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is definitely the better merge target. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:German Silesia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 21:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete,
German Silesia is and was never a real administrative entity, it is merely a made-up intersection between a past
Province of Silesia and a current country. Note that the larger part of Silesia is currently in Poland, only a tiny corner of it stretches into current Germany. The category also overlaps quite a bit with the Lusatia categories nominated below by
User:Fayenatic london.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
18:40, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - The problem with the nomination is that the category was never intended to deal with an "administrative entity" but with a historical region and especially with the area that still makes part of Germany (like the former counties in Northern Ireland, which by the way also overlap with the present administrative jurisdictions).-- Darius ( talk) 01:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- German Silesia isn't a historical region while Silesia is.
- Even if it were a historical region, it should contain articles about the historical region - but these articles apparently do not exist, not even an article about German Silesia itself. The category merely contains articles about populated places which tell us nothing about German Silesia as a region. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedent, categories for populated places in former countries should not be allowed. If German Silesia is a thing at all, it is a former thing. The contents consists only of current places in the former thing. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedents. Province of Silesia contains a list of districts; it might be useful to tabulate those lists with a column or colour code to indicate the current country, and to add a column for cities and towns within each district. However, using categories for this is not appropriate. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Viking Age in the British Isles
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 09:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, this category does not add something to Category:Viking Age by country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support the "by country" sub-categories are the best way to treat this topic. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep -- The rogue category here is Category:Viking Age in the United Kingdom, which is an anachronism before 1603 (or 1707). Kingdom of the Isles (recently discussed) also belongs here: while it existed its territory was not part of Scotland. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is quite a different discussion: should the by-modern-country exist at all? Still, the British Isles category does not solve that problem, since Ireland, Scotland and England had a very different history. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Partial merge of just the article Viking activity in the British Isles (not the sub-cats) into Category:History of the British Isles and Category:Viking Age in the United Kingdom, as the latter is part of a complete hierarchy. Then delete. – Fayenatic London 11:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I have already added the article to both categories. Deletion of the category is all that is left to be done.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I support deletion now. – Fayenatic London 22:51, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I have already added the article to both categories. Deletion of the category is all that is left to be done.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete
Timrollpickering (
talk)
09:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Saudi Arabia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Australia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Belgium ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in China ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Italy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Japan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in India ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Iran ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in South Africa ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in South Korea ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Followup to
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 8#Category:LGBT-related controversies in Switzerland. These categories all also suffer from the same problem: they're one-entry or two-entry categories being used solely to categorize the overview articles "LGBT rights in X" and/or "LGBT history in X" rather than actual articles about any specific controversies.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unnecessary hypercategorization. Tazuco ( talk) 17:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If there were a decent amount of articles about controversies the categories would be ok but currently there aren't any such articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Category:LGBT-related controversies in Saudi Arabia has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Ovenbirds
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ovenbirds to Category:Furnariidae
- Nominator's rationale: Seems to be the same topic; see ovenbirds. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, the single member page is already in a sub-cat of the target. – Fayenatic London 10:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:French chronicle writers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:French chronicle writers to Category:French chroniclers
- Nominator's rationale: I dont see any distinction here. No other categories of "chronicle writers". Rathfelder ( talk) 15:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:People from Avonmore, Pennsylvania
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I have listed the contents in Avonmore, Pennsylvania. ...William, please consider doing likewise for future similar nominations. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in Lower Lusatia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Following many precedents, we do not categorise populated places by former administrative regions. – Fayenatic London 10:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedent. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 10:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Lusatia is/was an ethnic region (home of the Slavic Sorbs) rather than a former administrative unit, but it still results in a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Mayan chiefdoms of the Yucatán Peninsula
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 29#Category:Mayan chiefdoms of the Yucatán Peninsula
Category:User siyi-1
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- The result of the discussion was: delete and any user can boldly create Category:User tisa and 1-5. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 09:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nonsense babel category - Category:User siyi does not exist and "siyi" does not appear to be a valid language code. While I understand that this was created to clear Special:WantedCategories, it's not clear why the creator didn't just remove it from the sole member's user page, since that user hasn't objected to several other redlinked categories being removed. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep unless empty.If this is indeed a nonsense category, then the remedy is stop the wretched Babel system system from populating it; then it can be speedily deleted as empty.
I am annoyed with the nominator @ Pppery for trying to blame this stuff on the editors who work hard on the thankless task of clearing Special:WantedCategories. Removing categories from userpages often generates howls of outrage from editors who don't understand (or won't comply) with WP:USERPAGE, and hacking their babel setup will be even more likely to cause drama.
Please try to assist those editors who put in many hours on this maintenance, instead of making their job harder and blaming them for the disruptive folly of some users. The way to help is to fix the template which populates the category, rather than coming to CFD to tackle the symptom. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 03:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- This isn't populated by a template; it's populated by the literal wikitext
[[Category:User siyi-1|{{PAGENAME}}]]on the sole user's page. There's nothing I could have fixed here (other than removing that bit of wikitext myself, but wouldn't that be emptying a category out of process?) And I agree I should have stated that in the nomination statement since it was the premise of my "it's unclear why" part, but it somehow didn't occur to me at the time - sorry. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- Thanks, @ Pppery. Sorry I misunderstood you; that triggered my memory of many months working all day ever day to clear a backlog of over 40,000 entries in Special:WantedCategories, while some wannabe-funny-guys spammed junk into the cleanup list. Sorry that my response came out as a growl.
- So it's not actually babel-crap; it's fake babel-crap. Nuke it, and nuke the user who thinks that this carp is funny.
- I guess that when I saw I saw it, I didn't investigate, and just treated it as yet another of the flood of babel cats. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't populated by a template; it's populated by the literal wikitext
- Delete this junk. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
04:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I don't think it is purely junk, I think its incorrectly coding for ISO 639-6 code "tisa" for Toisanese -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete immediately - Nonsense is just that, nonsense.-- Darius ( talk) 01:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment AFAIR, "
Siyi hua" is another name for "
Hoisanese", a dialect of Cantonese (ISO:yue). So this could be someone's attempt to create a
Category:User tisa-1; since Hoisanese has the ISO code "tisa" --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
04:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- RENAME to Category:User tisa-1 as the category for Taishanese and add Category:User tisa -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Hoisanese/Toisanese/Taishanese/Siyihua was the lingua franca for North American Chinatowns in the early to mid 20th century. So, I think such a category could end up with several users, if it occurs to them to look for it, and to switch from using User yue categorization -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename per anon, see
Taishanese and
Siyi Yue. The userbox code explicitly refers to
Taishan dialect, see
Special:Diff/240318035. –
Fayenatic
London
06:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming instead of deleting; I find these contrived rescue missions of long-abandoned categories to be counterproductive, and there doesn't seem to be a convention of using ISO 639-6 codes in
Category:Wikipedians by language.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
14:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's incorrectly named, how would they find it? This language has more speakers than many other languages with babel boxes/categories. It's a fairly prominent language in North American Chinatowns and in Hong Kong, so there should be a population familiar with English with this facility. --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
16:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- It has only just been placed within Category:User yue, where other speakers of this branch of Chinese might find it. Give it time. – Fayenatic London 22:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's incorrectly named, how would they find it? This language has more speakers than many other languages with babel boxes/categories. It's a fairly prominent language in North American Chinatowns and in Hong Kong, so there should be a population familiar with English with this facility. --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
16:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming instead of deleting; I find these contrived rescue missions of long-abandoned categories to be counterproductive, and there doesn't seem to be a convention of using ISO 639-6 codes in
Category:Wikipedians by language.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
14:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: As a Cantonese (
ISO 639:yue) speaker, I can't quite understand spoken Siyi Yue but the written one can be understood. I think one can just use
Category:User yue and related (User yue-1-5) which is enough.
Sun8908
Talk
08:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
Sun8908: I don't think merging into the detailed levels yue-1 to 5 would work.
User:HongQiGong claims to speak Yue as a native (User yue-N) but Taishanese only at a basic level (User siyi-1), and I think you are in effect saying the same for yourself. –
Fayenatic
London
14:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, for spoken language, we are basically different but the written language is quite the same. We can write on Cantonese Wikipedia since both and other varieties are basically the same for the written form. They are usually regarded as the same language. It is not useful to include babel just for spoken differences on Wikipedia, at least in my opinion. Sun8908 Talk 16:40, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
Sun8908: I don't think merging into the detailed levels yue-1 to 5 would work.
User:HongQiGong claims to speak Yue as a native (User yue-N) but Taishanese only at a basic level (User siyi-1), and I think you are in effect saying the same for yourself. –
Fayenatic
London
14:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User nz-m
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:User nz-m to Category:User mi
- Nominator's rationale: This category seems to cover the exact same ground as its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User harpsichord
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-1 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-2 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-3 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-4 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists-3 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists Added. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale Unneeded empty categories that are not intended to become empty on occasion and incorrectly named. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The parent Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists has only 31 pages; no need to diffuse. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User oji-2
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Useless isolated babel category not part of a wider series and containing only one subcategory that's better categorized elsewhere. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is synonymous with Category:User oj-2 "oj" is the alpha2 code for "oji" alpha3 code -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (same effect as merging to oj-2, as the sub-cat is already in that one). – Fayenatic London 06:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Depreciated sources on Wikipedia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) JBchrch talk 22:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete This is not an encyclopedic category, is self-referential, contains categorically wrong entries (like arXiv or Anadolu Agency, which are not deprecated by any stretch of the imagination) and is misspelled. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 00:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Amigao ( talk) 00:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as non-encyclopedic, and as general errorful. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep this is based upon: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources which are the URLs by consensus that Wikipedia won't let people use. CaribDigita ( talk) 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as out-of-order. I could understand a similar sort of category for projectspace, but it is completely inappropriate for this to be linking articles. Also, I may just be dumb and can't see it, but where is the misspelling?
Curbon7 (
talk)
00:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ Curbon7: see Depreciation vs Deprecation. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 01:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – not appropriate for mainspace, fails WP:Defining. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 09:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Categories in articles are for our readers' benefit, not the benefit of editors. The idea of this category is to label the articles of deprecated sources as such, but that sort of information is collected largely for the sake of editors. Until a time where deprecation on Wikipedia is a notable topic and a mainspace list of these sorts of deprecations is justified, I don’t see a user-oriented reason to have a mainspace category. On top of that, depreciation and deprecation are quite different; the spelling indicates that the former is the core to the category, while the category's members indicate the latter is core. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 15:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unsuitable for reader-facing content. XOR'easter ( talk) 16:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Question, could it be useful as a maintenance category?
Marcocapelle (
talk)
16:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- No. Category:All articles with deprecated sources is the existing maintenance category. The only category I can think of something like this being used for would be a project-space category that contains all the project-space pages about deprecation itself. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 17:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - although it might be feasible to make a category for talk pages based on
Wikipedia:Deprecated sources (and correctly spelt).
Oculi (
talk)
19:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have learned a lot from this thread. I'm changing my vote to speedy delete unless anybody else has an objection? I concede this wasn't the way to make an editor category. I should have asked for more peer guidance first. CaribDigita ( talk) 07:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. When we deprecate prominent publications it's often widely covered in reliable sources, so this isn't purely self-referential. [1] [2] [3] [4] – Joe ( talk) 11:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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April 19
Category:Quincy Jones family
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
✗
plicit
02:30, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Quincy Jones family to Category:Family of Quincy Jones
- Nominator's rationale: Standard naming for families of individuals. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:26, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose Not necessary. No link to support claim of "standard naming". --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
07:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- See Category:Family by person. Current naming makes it seem like the whole family is named "Quincy Jones" instead of being people who are family of an individual person. ★Trekker ( talk) 15:33, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
- No it does not. --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Well thats what you think, fact is still that "Family of Foo" is still standard over "Foo family". ★Trekker ( talk) 17:47, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- No it does not. --
SergeWoodzing (
talk)
16:05, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename, obvious case of WP:C2C. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with other subcats of Category:Family by person. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 23:54, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Ascension Thursday songs
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Easter hymns. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 20:58, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete or merge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. As there is no category for Ascension Thursday, possibly merge to Category:Eastertide. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Easter hymns. There is not yet a category for the Ascension of Jesus, although there may be scope for this to be usefully created. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, that is definitely the better merge target. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:German Silesia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 21:00, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete,
German Silesia is and was never a real administrative entity, it is merely a made-up intersection between a past
Province of Silesia and a current country. Note that the larger part of Silesia is currently in Poland, only a tiny corner of it stretches into current Germany. The category also overlaps quite a bit with the Lusatia categories nominated below by
User:Fayenatic london.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
18:40, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep - The problem with the nomination is that the category was never intended to deal with an "administrative entity" but with a historical region and especially with the area that still makes part of Germany (like the former counties in Northern Ireland, which by the way also overlap with the present administrative jurisdictions).-- Darius ( talk) 01:00, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- German Silesia isn't a historical region while Silesia is.
- Even if it were a historical region, it should contain articles about the historical region - but these articles apparently do not exist, not even an article about German Silesia itself. The category merely contains articles about populated places which tell us nothing about German Silesia as a region. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedent, categories for populated places in former countries should not be allowed. If German Silesia is a thing at all, it is a former thing. The contents consists only of current places in the former thing. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:26, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedents. Province of Silesia contains a list of districts; it might be useful to tabulate those lists with a column or colour code to indicate the current country, and to add a column for cities and towns within each district. However, using categories for this is not appropriate. – Fayenatic London 10:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Viking Age in the British Isles
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 09:30, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, this category does not add something to Category:Viking Age by country. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support the "by country" sub-categories are the best way to treat this topic. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 13:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep -- The rogue category here is Category:Viking Age in the United Kingdom, which is an anachronism before 1603 (or 1707). Kingdom of the Isles (recently discussed) also belongs here: while it existed its territory was not part of Scotland. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:42, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- This is quite a different discussion: should the by-modern-country exist at all? Still, the British Isles category does not solve that problem, since Ireland, Scotland and England had a very different history. Marcocapelle ( talk) 19:09, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Partial merge of just the article Viking activity in the British Isles (not the sub-cats) into Category:History of the British Isles and Category:Viking Age in the United Kingdom, as the latter is part of a complete hierarchy. Then delete. – Fayenatic London 11:03, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I have already added the article to both categories. Deletion of the category is all that is left to be done.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- OK, I support deletion now. – Fayenatic London 22:51, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Fair enough, I have already added the article to both categories. Deletion of the category is all that is left to be done.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
11:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete
Timrollpickering (
talk)
09:43, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Saudi Arabia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Australia ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Belgium ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in China ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Italy ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Japan ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in India ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in Iran ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in South Africa ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:LGBT-related controversies in South Korea ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Followup to
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 8#Category:LGBT-related controversies in Switzerland. These categories all also suffer from the same problem: they're one-entry or two-entry categories being used solely to categorize the overview articles "LGBT rights in X" and/or "LGBT history in X" rather than actual articles about any specific controversies.
Bearcat (
talk)
16:09, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete unnecessary hypercategorization. Tazuco ( talk) 17:50, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. If there were a decent amount of articles about controversies the categories would be ok but currently there aren't any such articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Category:LGBT-related controversies in Saudi Arabia has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 02:45, 8 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Ovenbirds
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ovenbirds to Category:Furnariidae
- Nominator's rationale: Seems to be the same topic; see ovenbirds. 1234qwer 1234qwer 4 16:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete, the single member page is already in a sub-cat of the target. – Fayenatic London 10:45, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:French chronicle writers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:French chronicle writers to Category:French chroniclers
- Nominator's rationale: I dont see any distinction here. No other categories of "chronicle writers". Rathfelder ( talk) 15:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:People from Avonmore, Pennsylvania
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:46, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Small one county community with just 3 entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 10:31, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I have listed the contents in Avonmore, Pennsylvania. ...William, please consider doing likewise for future similar nominations. – Fayenatic London 10:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in Lower Lusatia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 22:41, 6 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Following many precedents, we do not categorise populated places by former administrative regions. – Fayenatic London 10:13, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support per precedent. Laurel Lodged ( talk) 10:56, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Support, Lusatia is/was an ethnic region (home of the Slavic Sorbs) rather than a former administrative unit, but it still results in a trivial intersection. Marcocapelle ( talk) 16:16, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Mayan chiefdoms of the Yucatán Peninsula
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 April 29#Category:Mayan chiefdoms of the Yucatán Peninsula
Category:User siyi-1
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- The result of the discussion was: delete and any user can boldly create Category:User tisa and 1-5. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 09:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nonsense babel category - Category:User siyi does not exist and "siyi" does not appear to be a valid language code. While I understand that this was created to clear Special:WantedCategories, it's not clear why the creator didn't just remove it from the sole member's user page, since that user hasn't objected to several other redlinked categories being removed. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
Keep unless empty.If this is indeed a nonsense category, then the remedy is stop the wretched Babel system system from populating it; then it can be speedily deleted as empty.
I am annoyed with the nominator @ Pppery for trying to blame this stuff on the editors who work hard on the thankless task of clearing Special:WantedCategories. Removing categories from userpages often generates howls of outrage from editors who don't understand (or won't comply) with WP:USERPAGE, and hacking their babel setup will be even more likely to cause drama.
Please try to assist those editors who put in many hours on this maintenance, instead of making their job harder and blaming them for the disruptive folly of some users. The way to help is to fix the template which populates the category, rather than coming to CFD to tackle the symptom. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 03:24, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- This isn't populated by a template; it's populated by the literal wikitext
[[Category:User siyi-1|{{PAGENAME}}]]on the sole user's page. There's nothing I could have fixed here (other than removing that bit of wikitext myself, but wouldn't that be emptying a category out of process?) And I agree I should have stated that in the nomination statement since it was the premise of my "it's unclear why" part, but it somehow didn't occur to me at the time - sorry. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:29, 19 April 2022 (UTC)- Thanks, @ Pppery. Sorry I misunderstood you; that triggered my memory of many months working all day ever day to clear a backlog of over 40,000 entries in Special:WantedCategories, while some wannabe-funny-guys spammed junk into the cleanup list. Sorry that my response came out as a growl.
- So it's not actually babel-crap; it's fake babel-crap. Nuke it, and nuke the user who thinks that this carp is funny.
- I guess that when I saw I saw it, I didn't investigate, and just treated it as yet another of the flood of babel cats. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 04:02, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- This isn't populated by a template; it's populated by the literal wikitext
- Delete this junk. --
BrownHairedGirl
(talk) • (
contribs)
04:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment I don't think it is purely junk, I think its incorrectly coding for ISO 639-6 code "tisa" for Toisanese -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete immediately - Nonsense is just that, nonsense.-- Darius ( talk) 01:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment AFAIR, "
Siyi hua" is another name for "
Hoisanese", a dialect of Cantonese (ISO:yue). So this could be someone's attempt to create a
Category:User tisa-1; since Hoisanese has the ISO code "tisa" --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
04:36, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- RENAME to Category:User tisa-1 as the category for Taishanese and add Category:User tisa -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Hoisanese/Toisanese/Taishanese/Siyihua was the lingua franca for North American Chinatowns in the early to mid 20th century. So, I think such a category could end up with several users, if it occurs to them to look for it, and to switch from using User yue categorization -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:42, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Rename per anon, see
Taishanese and
Siyi Yue. The userbox code explicitly refers to
Taishan dialect, see
Special:Diff/240318035. –
Fayenatic
London
06:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming instead of deleting; I find these contrived rescue missions of long-abandoned categories to be counterproductive, and there doesn't seem to be a convention of using ISO 639-6 codes in
Category:Wikipedians by language.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
14:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's incorrectly named, how would they find it? This language has more speakers than many other languages with babel boxes/categories. It's a fairly prominent language in North American Chinatowns and in Hong Kong, so there should be a population familiar with English with this facility. --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
16:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- It has only just been placed within Category:User yue, where other speakers of this branch of Chinese might find it. Give it time. – Fayenatic London 22:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- If it's incorrectly named, how would they find it? This language has more speakers than many other languages with babel boxes/categories. It's a fairly prominent language in North American Chinatowns and in Hong Kong, so there should be a population familiar with English with this facility. --
65.92.246.142 (
talk)
16:28, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming instead of deleting; I find these contrived rescue missions of long-abandoned categories to be counterproductive, and there doesn't seem to be a convention of using ISO 639-6 codes in
Category:Wikipedians by language.
* Pppery *
it has begun...
14:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete: As a Cantonese (
ISO 639:yue) speaker, I can't quite understand spoken Siyi Yue but the written one can be understood. I think one can just use
Category:User yue and related (User yue-1-5) which is enough.
Sun8908
Talk
08:51, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
Sun8908: I don't think merging into the detailed levels yue-1 to 5 would work.
User:HongQiGong claims to speak Yue as a native (User yue-N) but Taishanese only at a basic level (User siyi-1), and I think you are in effect saying the same for yourself. –
Fayenatic
London
14:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, for spoken language, we are basically different but the written language is quite the same. We can write on Cantonese Wikipedia since both and other varieties are basically the same for the written form. They are usually regarded as the same language. It is not useful to include babel just for spoken differences on Wikipedia, at least in my opinion. Sun8908 Talk 16:40, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
- @
Sun8908: I don't think merging into the detailed levels yue-1 to 5 would work.
User:HongQiGong claims to speak Yue as a native (User yue-N) but Taishanese only at a basic level (User siyi-1), and I think you are in effect saying the same for yourself. –
Fayenatic
London
14:06, 28 May 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User nz-m
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:52, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:User nz-m to Category:User mi
- Nominator's rationale: This category seems to cover the exact same ground as its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Merge as nominated. – Fayenatic London 07:06, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User harpsichord
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-1 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-2 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-3 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:User harpsichord-4 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists-3 ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists Added. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale Unneeded empty categories that are not intended to become empty on occasion and incorrectly named. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete The parent Category:Wikipedian harpsichordists has only 31 pages; no need to diffuse. – LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄) 13:51, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:User oji-2
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Useless isolated babel category not part of a wider series and containing only one subcategory that's better categorized elsewhere. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment This is synonymous with Category:User oj-2 "oj" is the alpha2 code for "oji" alpha3 code -- 65.92.246.142 ( talk) 04:57, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete (same effect as merging to oj-2, as the sub-cat is already in that one). – Fayenatic London 06:59, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
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Category:Depreciated sources on Wikipedia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) JBchrch talk 22:11, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Delete This is not an encyclopedic category, is self-referential, contains categorically wrong entries (like arXiv or Anadolu Agency, which are not deprecated by any stretch of the imagination) and is misspelled. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 00:18, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Amigao ( talk) 00:25, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as non-encyclopedic, and as general errorful. ScottishFinnishRadish ( talk) 00:33, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep this is based upon: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources which are the URLs by consensus that Wikipedia won't let people use. CaribDigita ( talk) 00:37, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as out-of-order. I could understand a similar sort of category for projectspace, but it is completely inappropriate for this to be linking articles. Also, I may just be dumb and can't see it, but where is the misspelling?
Curbon7 (
talk)
00:59, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- @ Curbon7: see Depreciation vs Deprecation. Headbomb { t · c · p · b} 01:21, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:52, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete – not appropriate for mainspace, fails WP:Defining. — Mx. Granger ( talk · contribs) 09:55, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete. Categories in articles are for our readers' benefit, not the benefit of editors. The idea of this category is to label the articles of deprecated sources as such, but that sort of information is collected largely for the sake of editors. Until a time where deprecation on Wikipedia is a notable topic and a mainspace list of these sorts of deprecations is justified, I don’t see a user-oriented reason to have a mainspace category. On top of that, depreciation and deprecation are quite different; the spelling indicates that the former is the core to the category, while the category's members indicate the latter is core. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 15:08, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete as unsuitable for reader-facing content. XOR'easter ( talk) 16:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Question, could it be useful as a maintenance category?
Marcocapelle (
talk)
16:23, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- No. Category:All articles with deprecated sources is the existing maintenance category. The only category I can think of something like this being used for would be a project-space category that contains all the project-space pages about deprecation itself. — Mhawk10 ( talk) 17:41, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Delete - although it might be feasible to make a category for talk pages based on
Wikipedia:Deprecated sources (and correctly spelt).
Oculi (
talk)
19:20, 19 April 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: I have learned a lot from this thread. I'm changing my vote to speedy delete unless anybody else has an objection? I concede this wasn't the way to make an editor category. I should have asked for more peer guidance first. CaribDigita ( talk) 07:29, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
- Keep. When we deprecate prominent publications it's often widely covered in reliable sources, so this isn't purely self-referential. [1] [2] [3] [4] – Joe ( talk) 11:03, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
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