May 5
Category:Recipients of the Order of Liberty (Ukraine)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award for both Ukrainian and foreign recipients. At ukwiki all the articles just list it with other awards. ( t · c) buidhe 22:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Around half of the category are foreign recipients who received it as a diplomatic souvenir like Joe Biden, Lula, or Carl XVI Gustaf. Even the domestic recipients tend to just mention the award in passing with no clue for why thy won it so it doesn't seem defining like with Boris Nemtsov, Filaret (Denysenko), and Ivan Dziuba. (The category contents are already listified in the main article.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Ukrainian citizens for services to Ukraine. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Ambassadors of China to Eswatini
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated per Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China, excluding DRC which is correct as it stands. Delete Eswatini, Haiti, St Lucia, & St Vincent and the Grenadines, as these are empty having apparently each contained only a list which is now sufficiently parented. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eswatini is the only African country to maintain relations with Taiwan (and hence not with China).
[1] Also C2C (
Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China) and C2D.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
21:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to the Democratic Republic of the Congo
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Haiti to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Haiti
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Nauru to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Nauru
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Palau to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Palau
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Paraguay to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Paraguay
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Kitts and Nevis to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Lucia to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Lucia
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Tuvalu to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Tuvalu
- Alt rename, use "Taiwan" instead of "Republic of China" per Category:Foreign relations of Taiwan and also rename the intermediate categories accordingly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. About half the subcategories in Foreign relations say Taiwan, the other half Republic of China, so we should be consistent, one way or the other. Clarityfiend ( talk) 20:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I've placed a notice at WP:TAIWAN. Clarityfiend ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait aren't the ambassadors to the DRC from the PRC? Furius ( talk) 21:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent observation, that one should be stricken. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Several of these categories have been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 15:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename as nom, except DRC per above comment. I'm all in favour of considering Taiwan as completely separate from China in about every aspect, however foreign relations is one of the very few fields where it relates to the outside world under the name of Republic of China. That is certainly the name used in the title of all these ambassadors, rather than e.g. the hypothetical ambassador of Taiwan. As a side note, as a result of the PRC's own one-China policy, these ambassadors are at any time the only ambassador representing China in their host country. Categories for ambassadors of the ROC should therefore be kept as a subcategory of Ambassadors of China to Foo, together with e.g. ambassadors from Ming, Qing or pre-1949 China. Place Clichy ( talk) 16:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename all to Taiwan. This is a follow-up to a discussion we had long since, when we decided that anything to do with the post-1949 Republic of China should be called "Taiwan", being the name commonly used for this polity. The use of Republic of China should now be confined to pre-1949 mainland China. Note there is only an overlap between 1945 and 1949, as Taiwan belonged to Japan previously. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Portrait paintings of the Louvre
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Portrait paintings of the Louvre to Category:Portrait paintings in the Louvre
- Nominator's rationale: Per C2C and common sense.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
21:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- support. There are very few notable portrait paintings of the Louvre. Furius ( talk) 21:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by American and British artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by American and British artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Dutch, Flemish and German artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Dutch, Flemish and German artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Egyptian artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Egyptian artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by French artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by French artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Italian artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Italian artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Spanish artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Spanish artists Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support all. Much less ambiguous, and consistent with the parent Category:Paintings in the Louvre since this outcome of this discussion. I'd welcome a future nomination tackling all the "Paintings of"s in Category:Paintings by collection (or might even start one myself). Ham II ( talk) 12:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Image Comics American superheroes
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Image Comics American superheroes to Category:Image Comics superheroes
- Nominator's rationale: Only three articles (soon to be two after an AfD finishes). This will definitely not expand. Also merge to "American superheroes." TTN ( talk) 18:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Jonang texts
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jonang texts to Category:Tibetan Buddhist texts and Category:Jonang
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 13#Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
Category:Current Pakistani television series
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize television series by "current", we go by the year of their debut and the year of their ending. Gonnym ( talk) 17:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, redundant since any without an end date are either current (or the article needs to be updated). - RevelationDirect ( talk) 18:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Puerto Rican people
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- The result of the discussion was: procedural close (this editorial discussion seems to have led to a satisfactory solution) (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose editing Category:Puerto Rican people
- Nominator's rationale: Should this (and all its subcategories) be in
Category:People by nationality? As I understand it Puerto Rico has been part of the USA since 1898.
Rathfelder (
talk)
14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- No. I think removing Category:People by nationality is sufficient - it will already be a subcat anyway because it is in Category:People by insular area of the United States. Furius ( talk) 21:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. I think we need to bring all the subcategories inline. Rathfelder ( talk) 22:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Probably not. Puerto Rico and similar places are regarded as countries in almost all of Wikipedia's category trees, as are the likes of Guam, Bermuda, French Guiana, and the Cook Islands. Oddly, though, this doesn't carry over to nationalities. I'd say there should be a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar to take categories like this, and to be a direct subcategory of
Category:American people, in much the same way as
Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies is used for Bermuda and the like and
Category:People from overseas collectivities of France is used for people from Guadeloupe, etc.
Grutness...
wha?
00:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- They're not regarded as countries. There is
Category:People from dependent territories for this purpose, although it is variously applied.
Place Clichy (
talk)
15:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, they're not regarded that way in the "People from" tree, but they are in most others. Check
Category:Environment by country,
Category:Geography by country,
Category:Military by country,
Category:Awards by country,
Category:Communications by country, and
Category:Culture by country as examples. In any case, as I pointed out and you confirmed, they're not regarded that way for the current discussion but are usually grouped by the country that they "belong" to. As such, a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar would be the best solution.
Grutness...
wha?
03:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- "They're not regarded as countries." It depends on what you mean by "country". If you mean sovereign state, then that's true. But if you take the wider meaning as explained in
Country, then these dependent territories are countries. This is kind of a separate issue from whether these countries have separate nationalities.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
03:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Most of these categories have specific subcategories e.g. Category:Geography by dependent territory. Content for American territories (Puerto Rico, Guam etc.) is found under Category:Insular areas of the United States, Category:People by insular area of the United States etc.
- "It depends on what you mean by "country"." If you want to include in by country categories anything that falls under the wider definition of the word country including the
Basque Country,
Lake Country and the German
Länder, I think that would severely disrupt the category tree, and it is therefore pretty self-evident how this word should be understood. You sometimes find content in by country or by nationality relative to places such as
Bonaire that are not and have never been a country or dependent territory in their own right in any sense of the word; when I find them I usually move them to the dependent territories or appropriate child category.
Place Clichy (
talk)
18:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Places like Lake Country is not what I had in mind. I was thinking more of Greenland, for instance. It's a dependent territory, but there are plenty of sources that describe it as a country. I imagine that the same holds for Puerto Rico. I would have no problem with the category system sorting them in by country categories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- "They're not regarded as countries." It depends on what you mean by "country". If you mean sovereign state, then that's true. But if you take the wider meaning as explained in
Country, then these dependent territories are countries. This is kind of a separate issue from whether these countries have separate nationalities.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
03:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, they're not regarded that way in the "People from" tree, but they are in most others. Check
Category:Environment by country,
Category:Geography by country,
Category:Military by country,
Category:Awards by country,
Category:Communications by country, and
Category:Culture by country as examples. In any case, as I pointed out and you confirmed, they're not regarded that way for the current discussion but are usually grouped by the country that they "belong" to. As such, a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar would be the best solution.
Grutness...
wha?
03:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- They're not regarded as countries. There is
Category:People from dependent territories for this purpose, although it is variously applied.
Place Clichy (
talk)
15:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Puerto Rica seems less independent than Bermuda, but more independent than French Guiana. Rathfelder ( talk) 22:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think its clear that Puerto Rican is not a nationality, - nationality is less ambiguous than country - so I will edit the people categories accordingly. Rathfelder ( talk) 07:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Order of the Nine Gems
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Thai award. On thwiki, this award is mainly given out to Thai royals and listed with other awards. On enwiki, it is not remotely defining to recipients like Sarit Thanarat, Mahidol Adulyadej, or Chakrabongse Bhuvanath. ( t · c) buidhe 09:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The Order of the Nine Gems article is a little confusing because it reads that "The order is bestowed upon the members of the Thai royal family and distinguished high-ranking officials who have given service to the kingdom and who are active Buddhist laypeople" but it also indicates that it is given to Thai citizens. In practice the award fails being defining to a large majority of notable recipients as required by WP:OCAWARD. The recipients are already listified. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Thai citizens for services to Thailand. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Order of Ramkeerati
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award is for services to scouting. However, I checked at thwiki and it appears that the vast majority of notable recipients (on that wiki) are not notable for their scouting activities, and this award is just listed with others with no sign of being defining. Of enwiki articles in this category, people like Carl XVI Gustaf, Prem Tinsulanonda, or Sarit Thanarat are not remotely defined by this award. ( t · c) buidhe 09:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background We previously deleted categories for American Eagle Scouts ( here) and American Gold Award Girl Scouts ( here). - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Presumably these are benefactors to Scouting but the relationship (let alone this award) isn't even mentioned in the articles. I'm speculating but perhaps this was also given to local scout leaders and might be defining to them but they're not notable enough to ever get an article creating a Catch-22. (The category contents should be listified though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Crown of the Realm
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award "is conferred to the Queen of Malaysia and newly appointed Malay rulers in his state. Fifteen, out of the total, are conferred on foreign princes, foreign Heads of State and other distinguished individuals." In other words, people receive this award due to their position/office, and should be categorized by that position/office rather than this award. The Honorary category appears to be awarded as a diplomatic souvenir only. Checked several bios and it's listed with other awards. Already listified at the main article. ( t · c) buidhe 09:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify By it's nature, this award reflects being a royal which we already categorize on. This award looks very similar to the ones of the German Empire in that each state has local royalty and these are usually given to local state royalty of Malaysia. (The categor contents should be listifed though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Family in Arkansas
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: unnecessary intermediate levels between Category:Arkansas society and Category:Schools in Arkansas, which is the only content. No such categories for any other American state. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete No objection to a unique tree if there's unique content, but this just adds layers on top of existing categories. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Community of Christ temples
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There are only two— Kirtland Temple and Independence Temple—and there are no plans to build or establish any more. I suggest upmerging to the parents, neither of which are particularly large. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge Seems reasonable since this is likely too small to aid navigation but no objection to recreating later if they ever get up to 5+. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Viesturs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Latvian award. According to lvwiki it has indeed been awarded to many Latvians but does not appear to be defining, just being listed with other awards or not mentioned at all (except in categories). ( t · c) buidhe 04:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Refreshingly, this general purpose award is generally given to domestic recipients. In both English and Latvian Wikipedia though, this award receives a passing mention at best and does not seem defining. (The category contents should be listified in the main article though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Latvian citizens for services to Latvia. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of al-Hussein bin Ali
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Diplomatic souvenir given out to domestic and foreign royalty. Doesn't matter whether you look at enwiki or arwiki, there's no indication that this award is defining. ( t · c) buidhe 03:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete According to the Order of Al-Hussein bin Ali article, this award has the "scope of rewarding benevolence and foreign Heads of State". Doesn't get much clearer than that! The category contents are already listifed in that article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award is mostly given out as a diplomatic souvenir or to friends of the British monarch. People like Nicholas II of Russia, François Mitterrand, Haile Selassie, Qaboos bin Said, Harald V of Norway etc. are not remotely defined by this award. Already listified at List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain. ( t · c) buidhe 03:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete According to the main article, this a "personal award of the monarch" that used to be restricted to members of the royal family and is now "conferred only upon the highest dignitaries, including foreign monarchs, heads of state, and high-ranking individuals" who we already categorize by their roles. We already have List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau
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Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose deleting
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- Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Grand Officers of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Commanders with Crown of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Commanders of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Officers of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Category:Knights of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau ( | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting
Category:Recipients of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau (
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talk |
history |
links |
watch |
logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Luxembourgish award. Most recipients with enwiki articles received it as a diplomatic souvenir. But it does not appear to be defining for non-royal/Luxembourgish recipients such as Romain Mancinelli, Mstislav Rostropovich, Richard E. Nugent or Auguste Laval either. I looked at several articles on lbwiki and saw no indication that this award is defining. ( t · c) buidhe 03:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Most of the notable recipients in English Wikipedia received it as a diplomatic souvenir, which is clearly against WP:OCAWARD which is looking for it to be defining to a large majority. This does not seem to be an artifact of notable but redlink articles since the category in Luxembourgish Wikipedia only has slightly more articles. (We should listify the contents prior to deletion though and I can help.)- RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Luxembourgish citizens for services to Luxembourg. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Neural networks
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: turn into dab page, this is about either biological neural circuits or about artificial neural networks, topics in completely different fields. In article space Neural network (disambiguation) is a dab page too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The current situation seems fine. There are two subcategories for the two types. The category page links to neural network which explains the situation. The category page has the {{ diffuse}} template. It seems a normal solution. Charles Matthews ( talk) 06:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Charles Matthews. -- Just N. ( talk) 14:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a term that's really used by people in either field to describe the superset of all networks involving artificial or biological neurons. There are brains, there are ganglia, there are neural nets and neural circuits, but in practice " neural network" almost always refers to an artificial NN. jp× g 02:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well, you make a good case for adopting the AI meaning. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The two concepts (biological and artificial) are extremely distinct imo. Neural networks in comsci is only loosely inspired by biological networks of neurons and only share the name. I agree a disambiguation page makes more sense. -- Revan ( talk) 10:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Summiters of Aconcagua
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Summiters of Aconcagua
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT
- Aconcagua is the tallest mountain in South American an many prominent mountain climbers who want to brag about climbing mountains on each continent to complete the Seven Summits will ascend it. The 3 articles ( Domi Trastoy Díaz, Sergey Kofanov, and Monique Richard) all list this mountain in passing among other mountains and are already categorized somewhere under Category:Mountain climbers. I don't even think this topic warrants listifying because, according to the main article, "In mountaineering terms, Aconcagua is technically an easy mountain if approached from the north". - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NONDEF ( t · c) buidhe 04:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Historic Hotels Worldwide
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic Hotels Worldwide
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
- The American National Trust for Historic Preservation is a historic preservation group that lists international hotels they consider to be historically significant on their Historic Hotels Worldwide web site. While some package tours are available, this is not a standard reservation service nor a legal heritage register but more of a third party marketing effort, as described in their website. The closest category I could find was Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants but the non-US hotels in this category generally don't even mention this endorsement so it's clearly not defining. There is no main article to listify the category contents so I instead copied them right here so no work is lost of another editor wants to create a list article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background/Tag This is a follow up nom to the one for Category:Historic Hotels of America, a related designation for US-based hotels. I'm tagging all the participants of that earlier CFD discussion regardless of !vote: @ Magnolia677, Marcocapelle, Mangoe, Thierry Caro, and Nyttend: RevelationDirect ( talk) 12:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ RevelationDirect: I did not receive a notification. You need to provide a fresh signature when pinging, otherwise it will not work. You might want to try again. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, retried! -
RevelationDirect (
talk)
12:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ RevelationDirect: still did not get a notification, that is annoying. Perhaps a fresh paragraph and a fresh signature are required, admittedly I am guessing now. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks, retried! -
RevelationDirect (
talk)
12:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ Magnolia677, Marcocapelle, Mangoe, Thierry Caro, and Nyttend: RevelationDirect ( talk) 21:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Notification received! Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- At this point I'm going with delete. GHits on this a mostly either their website or press releases; book hits seem to be nonexistent. Mangoe ( talk) 00:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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May 5
Category:Recipients of the Order of Liberty (Ukraine)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:22, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award for both Ukrainian and foreign recipients. At ukwiki all the articles just list it with other awards. ( t · c) buidhe 22:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete Around half of the category are foreign recipients who received it as a diplomatic souvenir like Joe Biden, Lula, or Carl XVI Gustaf. Even the domestic recipients tend to just mention the award in passing with no clue for why thy won it so it doesn't seem defining like with Boris Nemtsov, Filaret (Denysenko), and Ivan Dziuba. (The category contents are already listified in the main article.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:31, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:02, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Ukrainian citizens for services to Ukraine. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:44, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Ambassadors of China to Eswatini
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated per Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China, excluding DRC which is correct as it stands. Delete Eswatini, Haiti, St Lucia, & St Vincent and the Grenadines, as these are empty having apparently each contained only a list which is now sufficiently parented. – Fayenatic London 21:35, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eswatini is the only African country to maintain relations with Taiwan (and hence not with China).
[1] Also C2C (
Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China) and C2D.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
21:38, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to the Democratic Republic of the Congo to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to the Democratic Republic of the Congo
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Haiti to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Haiti
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Nauru to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Nauru
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Palau to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Palau
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Paraguay to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Paraguay
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Kitts and Nevis to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Kitts and Nevis
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Lucia to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Lucia
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
- Propose renaming Category:Ambassadors of China to Tuvalu to Category:Ambassadors of the Republic of China to Tuvalu
- Alt rename, use "Taiwan" instead of "Republic of China" per Category:Foreign relations of Taiwan and also rename the intermediate categories accordingly. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:24, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. About half the subcategories in Foreign relations say Taiwan, the other half Republic of China, so we should be consistent, one way or the other. Clarityfiend ( talk) 20:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Agree. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:45, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment. I've placed a notice at WP:TAIWAN. Clarityfiend ( talk) 21:47, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Wait aren't the ambassadors to the DRC from the PRC? Furius ( talk) 21:49, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Excellent observation, that one should be stricken. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:13, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment Several of these categories have been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 15:47, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename as nom, except DRC per above comment. I'm all in favour of considering Taiwan as completely separate from China in about every aspect, however foreign relations is one of the very few fields where it relates to the outside world under the name of Republic of China. That is certainly the name used in the title of all these ambassadors, rather than e.g. the hypothetical ambassador of Taiwan. As a side note, as a result of the PRC's own one-China policy, these ambassadors are at any time the only ambassador representing China in their host country. Categories for ambassadors of the ROC should therefore be kept as a subcategory of Ambassadors of China to Foo, together with e.g. ambassadors from Ming, Qing or pre-1949 China. Place Clichy ( talk) 16:30, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename all to Taiwan. This is a follow-up to a discussion we had long since, when we decided that anything to do with the post-1949 Republic of China should be called "Taiwan", being the name commonly used for this polity. The use of Republic of China should now be confined to pre-1949 mainland China. Note there is only an overlap between 1945 and 1949, as Taiwan belonged to Japan previously. Peterkingiron ( talk) 14:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Portrait paintings of the Louvre
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Portrait paintings of the Louvre to Category:Portrait paintings in the Louvre
- Nominator's rationale: Per C2C and common sense.
Clarityfiend (
talk)
21:18, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- support. There are very few notable portrait paintings of the Louvre. Furius ( talk) 21:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by American and British artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by American and British artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Dutch, Flemish and German artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Dutch, Flemish and German artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Egyptian artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Egyptian artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by French artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by French artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Italian artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Italian artists
- Propose renaming Category:Paintings of the Louvre by Spanish artists to Category:Paintings in the Louvre by Spanish artists Clarityfiend ( talk) 04:55, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support all. Much less ambiguous, and consistent with the parent Category:Paintings in the Louvre since this outcome of this discussion. I'd welcome a future nomination tackling all the "Paintings of"s in Category:Paintings by collection (or might even start one myself). Ham II ( talk) 12:20, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:21, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Image Comics American superheroes
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:20, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Image Comics American superheroes to Category:Image Comics superheroes
- Nominator's rationale: Only three articles (soon to be two after an AfD finishes). This will definitely not expand. Also merge to "American superheroes." TTN ( talk) 18:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Jonang texts
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
01:19, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jonang texts to Category:Tibetan Buddhist texts and Category:Jonang
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only one article. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:16, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
Relisted, see
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 May 13#Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
Category:Current Pakistani television series
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We don't categorize television series by "current", we go by the year of their debut and the year of their ending. Gonnym ( talk) 17:40, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, redundant since any without an end date are either current (or the article needs to be updated). - RevelationDirect ( talk) 18:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:42, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:04, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Puerto Rican people
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- The result of the discussion was: procedural close (this editorial discussion seems to have led to a satisfactory solution) (
non-admin closure)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
13:30, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose editing Category:Puerto Rican people
- Nominator's rationale: Should this (and all its subcategories) be in
Category:People by nationality? As I understand it Puerto Rico has been part of the USA since 1898.
Rathfelder (
talk)
14:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- No. I think removing Category:People by nationality is sufficient - it will already be a subcat anyway because it is in Category:People by insular area of the United States. Furius ( talk) 21:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- OK, thank you. I think we need to bring all the subcategories inline. Rathfelder ( talk) 22:26, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Hmmm... Probably not. Puerto Rico and similar places are regarded as countries in almost all of Wikipedia's category trees, as are the likes of Guam, Bermuda, French Guiana, and the Cook Islands. Oddly, though, this doesn't carry over to nationalities. I'd say there should be a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar to take categories like this, and to be a direct subcategory of
Category:American people, in much the same way as
Category:People from British Overseas Territories and Crown Dependencies is used for Bermuda and the like and
Category:People from overseas collectivities of France is used for people from Guadeloupe, etc.
Grutness...
wha?
00:58, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- They're not regarded as countries. There is
Category:People from dependent territories for this purpose, although it is variously applied.
Place Clichy (
talk)
15:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, they're not regarded that way in the "People from" tree, but they are in most others. Check
Category:Environment by country,
Category:Geography by country,
Category:Military by country,
Category:Awards by country,
Category:Communications by country, and
Category:Culture by country as examples. In any case, as I pointed out and you confirmed, they're not regarded that way for the current discussion but are usually grouped by the country that they "belong" to. As such, a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar would be the best solution.
Grutness...
wha?
03:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- "They're not regarded as countries." It depends on what you mean by "country". If you mean sovereign state, then that's true. But if you take the wider meaning as explained in
Country, then these dependent territories are countries. This is kind of a separate issue from whether these countries have separate nationalities.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
03:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- Most of these categories have specific subcategories e.g. Category:Geography by dependent territory. Content for American territories (Puerto Rico, Guam etc.) is found under Category:Insular areas of the United States, Category:People by insular area of the United States etc.
- "It depends on what you mean by "country"." If you want to include in by country categories anything that falls under the wider definition of the word country including the
Basque Country,
Lake Country and the German
Länder, I think that would severely disrupt the category tree, and it is therefore pretty self-evident how this word should be understood. You sometimes find content in by country or by nationality relative to places such as
Bonaire that are not and have never been a country or dependent territory in their own right in any sense of the word; when I find them I usually move them to the dependent territories or appropriate child category.
Place Clichy (
talk)
18:04, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Places like Lake Country is not what I had in mind. I was thinking more of Greenland, for instance. It's a dependent territory, but there are plenty of sources that describe it as a country. I imagine that the same holds for Puerto Rico. I would have no problem with the category system sorting them in by country categories. Good Ol’factory (talk) 23:38, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- "They're not regarded as countries." It depends on what you mean by "country". If you mean sovereign state, then that's true. But if you take the wider meaning as explained in
Country, then these dependent territories are countries. This is kind of a separate issue from whether these countries have separate nationalities.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
03:41, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- As I said, they're not regarded that way in the "People from" tree, but they are in most others. Check
Category:Environment by country,
Category:Geography by country,
Category:Military by country,
Category:Awards by country,
Category:Communications by country, and
Category:Culture by country as examples. In any case, as I pointed out and you confirmed, they're not regarded that way for the current discussion but are usually grouped by the country that they "belong" to. As such, a
Category:People from American unincorporated territories or similar would be the best solution.
Grutness...
wha?
03:02, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
- They're not regarded as countries. There is
Category:People from dependent territories for this purpose, although it is variously applied.
Place Clichy (
talk)
15:42, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Puerto Rica seems less independent than Bermuda, but more independent than French Guiana. Rathfelder ( talk) 22:43, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- I think its clear that Puerto Rican is not a nationality, - nationality is less ambiguous than country - so I will edit the people categories accordingly. Rathfelder ( talk) 07:40, 7 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Order of the Nine Gems
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Thai award. On thwiki, this award is mainly given out to Thai royals and listed with other awards. On enwiki, it is not remotely defining to recipients like Sarit Thanarat, Mahidol Adulyadej, or Chakrabongse Bhuvanath. ( t · c) buidhe 09:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The Order of the Nine Gems article is a little confusing because it reads that "The order is bestowed upon the members of the Thai royal family and distinguished high-ranking officials who have given service to the kingdom and who are active Buddhist laypeople" but it also indicates that it is given to Thai citizens. In practice the award fails being defining to a large majority of notable recipients as required by WP:OCAWARD. The recipients are already listified. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:41, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:43, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Thai citizens for services to Thailand. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:45, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Order of Ramkeerati
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award is for services to scouting. However, I checked at thwiki and it appears that the vast majority of notable recipients (on that wiki) are not notable for their scouting activities, and this award is just listed with others with no sign of being defining. Of enwiki articles in this category, people like Carl XVI Gustaf, Prem Tinsulanonda, or Sarit Thanarat are not remotely defined by this award. ( t · c) buidhe 09:16, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background We previously deleted categories for American Eagle Scouts ( here) and American Gold Award Girl Scouts ( here). - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:50, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Presumably these are benefactors to Scouting but the relationship (let alone this award) isn't even mentioned in the articles. I'm speculating but perhaps this was also given to local scout leaders and might be defining to them but they're not notable enough to ever get an article creating a Catch-22. (The category contents should be listified though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:05, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Crown of the Realm
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:15, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award "is conferred to the Queen of Malaysia and newly appointed Malay rulers in his state. Fifteen, out of the total, are conferred on foreign princes, foreign Heads of State and other distinguished individuals." In other words, people receive this award due to their position/office, and should be categorized by that position/office rather than this award. The Honorary category appears to be awarded as a diplomatic souvenir only. Checked several bios and it's listed with other awards. Already listified at the main article. ( t · c) buidhe 09:08, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify By it's nature, this award reflects being a royal which we already categorize on. This award looks very similar to the ones of the German Empire in that each state has local royalty and these are usually given to local state royalty of Malaysia. (The categor contents should be listifed though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:31, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:44, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Family in Arkansas
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:14, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: unnecessary intermediate levels between Category:Arkansas society and Category:Schools in Arkansas, which is the only content. No such categories for any other American state. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:07, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete No objection to a unique tree if there's unique content, but this just adds layers on top of existing categories. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:37, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:06, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Community of Christ temples
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- The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:33, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: There are only two— Kirtland Temple and Independence Temple—and there are no plans to build or establish any more. I suggest upmerging to the parents, neither of which are particularly large. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:04, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge Seems reasonable since this is likely too small to aid navigation but no objection to recreating later if they ever get up to 5+. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:52, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:14, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Viesturs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Latvian award. According to lvwiki it has indeed been awarded to many Latvians but does not appear to be defining, just being listed with other awards or not mentioned at all (except in categories). ( t · c) buidhe 04:02, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Refreshingly, this general purpose award is generally given to domestic recipients. In both English and Latvian Wikipedia though, this award receives a passing mention at best and does not seem defining. (The category contents should be listified in the main article though and I can help.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 14:35, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Latvian citizens for services to Latvia. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:46, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of al-Hussein bin Ali
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:13, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Diplomatic souvenir given out to domestic and foreign royalty. Doesn't matter whether you look at enwiki or arwiki, there's no indication that this award is defining. ( t · c) buidhe 03:54, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete According to the Order of Al-Hussein bin Ali article, this award has the "scope of rewarding benevolence and foreign Heads of State". Doesn't get much clearer than that! The category contents are already listifed in that article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:57, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:18, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:12, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This award is mostly given out as a diplomatic souvenir or to friends of the British monarch. People like Nicholas II of Russia, François Mitterrand, Haile Selassie, Qaboos bin Said, Harald V of Norway etc. are not remotely defined by this award. Already listified at List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain. ( t · c) buidhe 03:49, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete According to the main article, this a "personal award of the monarch" that used to be restricted to members of the royal family and is now "conferred only upon the highest dignitaries, including foreign monarchs, heads of state, and high-ranking individuals" who we already categorize by their roles. We already have List of recipients of the Royal Victorian Chain for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background In the past, we've deleted dozens of similar categories for high ranking visitors and those nominations are listed right here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:07, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Adolphe of Nassau
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
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- Propose deleting
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- Nominator's rationale: Nondefining Luxembourgish award. Most recipients with enwiki articles received it as a diplomatic souvenir. But it does not appear to be defining for non-royal/Luxembourgish recipients such as Romain Mancinelli, Mstislav Rostropovich, Richard E. Nugent or Auguste Laval either. I looked at several articles on lbwiki and saw no indication that this award is defining. ( t · c) buidhe 03:36, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, obvious case of WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:52, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete but Listify Most of the notable recipients in English Wikipedia received it as a diplomatic souvenir, which is clearly against WP:OCAWARD which is looking for it to be defining to a large majority. This does not seem to be an artifact of notable but redlink articles since the category in Luxembourgish Wikipedia only has slightly more articles. (We should listify the contents prior to deletion though and I can help.)- RevelationDirect ( talk) 13:25, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:08, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. Appears to be a state honour usually awarded to Luxembourgish citizens for services to Luxembourg. Clerarly defining to them. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 09:48, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete This is a total violation of our overcat by award rules. Categories like this have lead to insane amounts of category clutter and need to be scapped. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 13:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Neural networks
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Good Ol’factory (talk) 04:50, 3 June 2021 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: turn into dab page, this is about either biological neural circuits or about artificial neural networks, topics in completely different fields. In article space Neural network (disambiguation) is a dab page too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep. The current situation seems fine. There are two subcategories for the two types. The category page links to neural network which explains the situation. The category page has the {{ diffuse}} template. It seems a normal solution. Charles Matthews ( talk) 06:56, 2 April 2021 (UTC)
- Keep per Charles Matthews. -- Just N. ( talk) 14:32, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete. This is not a term that's really used by people in either field to describe the superset of all networks involving artificial or biological neurons. There are brains, there are ganglia, there are neural nets and neural circuits, but in practice " neural network" almost always refers to an artificial NN. jp× g 02:50, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
- Well, you make a good case for adopting the AI meaning. Charles Matthews ( talk) 15:09, 26 April 2021 (UTC)
- Delete The two concepts (biological and artificial) are extremely distinct imo. Neural networks in comsci is only loosely inspired by biological networks of neurons and only share the name. I agree a disambiguation page makes more sense. -- Revan ( talk) 10:25, 3 May 2021 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Good Ol’factory (talk) 01:27, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Summiters of Aconcagua
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
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01:11, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Summiters of Aconcagua
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT
- Aconcagua is the tallest mountain in South American an many prominent mountain climbers who want to brag about climbing mountains on each continent to complete the Seven Summits will ascend it. The 3 articles ( Domi Trastoy Díaz, Sergey Kofanov, and Monique Richard) all list this mountain in passing among other mountains and are already categorized somewhere under Category:Mountain climbers. I don't even think this topic warrants listifying because, according to the main article, "In mountaineering terms, Aconcagua is technically an easy mountain if approached from the north". - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NONDEF ( t · c) buidhe 04:17, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:10, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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Category:Historic Hotels Worldwide
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- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
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01:09, 13 May 2021 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Historic Hotels Worldwide
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:TRIVIALCAT
- The American National Trust for Historic Preservation is a historic preservation group that lists international hotels they consider to be historically significant on their Historic Hotels Worldwide web site. While some package tours are available, this is not a standard reservation service nor a legal heritage register but more of a third party marketing effort, as described in their website. The closest category I could find was Category:Michelin Guide starred restaurants but the non-US hotels in this category generally don't even mention this endorsement so it's clearly not defining. There is no main article to listify the category contents so I instead copied them right here so no work is lost of another editor wants to create a list article. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 00:22, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Background/Tag This is a follow up nom to the one for Category:Historic Hotels of America, a related designation for US-based hotels. I'm tagging all the participants of that earlier CFD discussion regardless of !vote: @ Magnolia677, Marcocapelle, Mangoe, Thierry Caro, and Nyttend: RevelationDirect ( talk) 12:19, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- @ RevelationDirect: I did not receive a notification. You need to provide a fresh signature when pinging, otherwise it will not work. You might want to try again. Marcocapelle ( talk) 07:58, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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- @ RevelationDirect: still did not get a notification, that is annoying. Perhaps a fresh paragraph and a fresh signature are required, admittedly I am guessing now. Marcocapelle ( talk) 20:56, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
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- @ Magnolia677, Marcocapelle, Mangoe, Thierry Caro, and Nyttend: RevelationDirect ( talk) 21:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)
- Notification received! Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:11, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- At this point I'm going with delete. GHits on this a mostly either their website or press releases; book hits seem to be nonexistent. Mangoe ( talk) 00:35, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. -- Just N. ( talk) 22:12, 8 May 2021 (UTC)
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