Circular categorization between Category:Notation, Category:Modeling languages, Category:Computer languages
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close; fix has been implemented.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"Notation" is contained in "Modeling languages", "Modeling languages" are contained in "Computer languages", "Computer languages" are contained in "Notation", ...
Done, "Modeling languages" and "Computer languages" are now a subcategory of "Notation".
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Category:Songs written by Marcus Siepen
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one redirect, and as such serves no navigational aid.
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Category:Songs written by Mahmoud Darwish
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Category:Ghanaian male politicians
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Nominator's rationale: Per longstanding practice, we do not subcategorize politicians for maleness per se -- historically the overwhelming majority of politicians were automatically male by default, so for the same reason why there's no need to categorize Ghanaians for "blackness", there's no need to categorize its politicians for maleness. The fact that we have a category for women in politics does not mean we need to balance it against parallel categories for men: women in politics are an entirely modern concept, still novel and still under-represented enough that academics actually study and write about the phenomenon: whether women do the job differently than men do, whether they prioritize different issues than men do, whether conscious or unconscious gender bias affects the ability of women to win election to certain political offices, and on and so forth. In other words, real
reliable sources actively analyze the intersection of femaleness with politics, while they do not do the same for maleness, so we don't need "male politicians" categories just because we have "women in politics" categories. Categories for underrepresented minority groupings do not always need to be paired with equivalent categories for the majority.
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Delete This is a clear violation of the basic principals of ERGS categorization.
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Category:Modern Meditational Yoga
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Nominator's rationale: Only one member
MB 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Well, yes. The category is one proposed by Prof.
Elizabeth de Michelis in her early attempt to classify
Modern yoga (itself a pretty vague category, one might suppose). If you look at the article you'll see she came up with 4 types, of which "
Modern postural yoga" equates to "Yoga as exercise" practised by hundreds of millions, and the others are whatever else is left over. Unfortunately, much more-or-less "postural" yoga actually includes quite a bit of old-fashioned non-postural
yoga, with meditation and other practices all the way through to ritual purifications (
shatkarmas), use of
mantras, and all the rest. So, I shan't oppose your chopping of the category, but I note it as an interesting move. If anybody feels like adding a selection of yoga schools to the category then I'd not oppose keeping or re-creating it someday.
Chiswick Chap (
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Merge to
Category:Yoga. It is not only a smallcat, the category is also based on a non-defining characteristic - at least that seems to be the case when reading the one article that is in the category.
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Delete per nom or merge per Marco. --
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Category:People from Indiana Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 15:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah, support. I found a second one, but two isn't enough for a category.
Grutness...wha? 02:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets to 5+ members. -
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Category:120 Days albums
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The result of the discussion was:keep. As noted, it is standard to have an album category for every artist that has at least one article about an album and therefore categories such as this would be widely accepted as coming within the "part of a large overall sub-categorization scheme" exception mentioned in
WP:SMALLCAT.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: At only one entry and only one other possible entry, as 120 Days released two albums, this category seems very unnecessary.
Geschichte (
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Keep per the exception noted in
WP:SMALLCAT as it is "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme." StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:10, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom . --
Just N. (
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Keep: per WP:SMALLCAT... it's generally accepted that this is one of the standard exceptions included for small categories.
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Category:Songs written by Brian Tyler (composer)
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Delete per nom . --
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Category:Schools in Caprivi Region
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Rename' per nom. --
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Category:Education in Caprivi Region
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Rename' per nom. --
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Category:Black Spring (Cuba)
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Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles, one of which doesnt mention Black Spring.
Rathfelder (
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SupportWP:SMALLCAT certainly applies here for right now. Not sure whether this could be defining, even with more articles. -
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There are a load of articles about people who were arrested in the Black Spring, and if we think they should all be categorised here we should keep it.
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Category:Buddhist actors
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British people by Chinese sub-ethnicities
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The result of the discussion was:merge the first two; do not merge the third.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 03:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are trivial intersections since there isn't a specific Hakka ethnicity, Taishan ethnicity or Manchu ethnicity distinguished in the United Kingdom.
@
Prisencolin: pinging editor who was consistently involved in previous descent discussions.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose -- Unlike Americans, the Chinese are not homogenous. Hakka is a language, and these will refer back to their native languages. It happens that most Chinese in UK are immigrants from Hong Kong or the New Territories, meaning that their mother tongue is Cantonese. Many of the overseas Chinese of southeast Asia are of Hakka extraction. These are accordingly real descent categories. The only change that might be appropriate is merging English to British. Dividing descent categories into the four UK home nations is inappropriate.
Peterkingiron (
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Comment I's confusing stuff IMHO. Does Peterkingiron have more and better/ convincing fact hints so this could be made decidable? --
Just N. (
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Merge Hakka/TaishanHakka people appears to be a linguistic group and
Taishanese people a specific area, both of which are considered Han and the articles of descendants in the UK don't seem to emphasize traits beyond Chinese descent.
Manchu people appears to be viewed as a distinct ethnicity though. -
RevelationDirect (
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Merge the first two. Keep the third since MAnchu is one of the recognized ethnic groups of China.
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Category:Members of the American Legion
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Delete, not a defining characteristic. Just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep - it seems fairly standard to categorize groups of persons by association (i.e. vocation/avocation), where they resided in the past (i.e. hometowns, etc.), what military awards they received, and what lower-tier high school they went to (and many of those are much smaller groupings). To say deleting the category of an organization with 1.8 million members is the right thing to do seems odd considering that many of the other categories I mentioned contain far fewer real or potential articles in them (and always will). For example, the
Category:American Freemasons has the subcategory
Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons with only two entries in it. My question then is this; why do we, as
WikiPedians, spend our precious time proposing the category deletion of an organization with 1.8 million members and leave categories like that one alone? And, there are many more like it. Taking the point to a higher level, what separates the categories:
Sons of the American Revolution (which is also a member category), numerous categories like the
Category:Freemasons by nationality (which has over 60 subcategories of its own, by the way) as opposed to the one in question containing no subcategories at all? I am a bit bewildered at our latest attempt to indiscriminately single out an organization with 1.8 million members for deletion while leaving multiple membership categories of
Freemasons intact. Also please note that the deletion proposal comment "not a defining characteristic" applies to a great deal of categories throughout
Wikipedia (e.g. What American high school or English grammar school any person of notarity was educated at is seldom a defining characteristic, yet we have numerous categories just like that). With regards to the other category deletion proposal comment that "this category consists mostly of politicians who joined the organization;" I concede that point, but would also like to illustrate the fact that there are many more biographical articles yet to be added where the American Legion member is most notable exclusively for their military service (e.g.
Mark E. Ferguson III,
Douglas MacArthur,
Billy Mitchell,
George S. Patton,
Eddie Rickenbacker,
Alvin York, and numerous
Medal of Honor recipients), and the television and movie actors (e.g.
Dick Van Dyke and
Larry Wilcox, all whom were publicly active within the
American Legion when it came to Legion children's hospital charity fundraising, telethons, etc.). And, as so aptly stated by the nominator, this is not a small category (
WP:SMALLCAT) at all. As time permits; I and other WikiPedians will add more citations to the main page (
List of members of the American Legion) and, most importantly, add more non-politico types... since that seems to be an issue). I strongly recommend retaining
Category:Members of the American Legion as singling out the group of 1.8 million members (this the largest veterans association on the entire planet) while retaining numerous, smaller like-type categories such as
Category:Freemasons by nationality,
Category:Daughters of the American Revolution, and
Category:Recipients of the Meritorious Service Medal (which is a lower-level military award than the
Bronze Star Medal that doesn't have a category of its own) would defeat the purpose of Wikipedia even having separate categories. WikiPedians smarter than me, please explain why
Category:Frank C. Munson Institute of American Maritime History faculty and
Category:People from Taneytown, Maryland deserve to "stick around" while a veterans organization with over 1.8 million members world-wide would not merit a single member category of its own? I am simply dumbfounded as to why it would not. At what point do we decide to get rid of categories altogether? Thanks for your valuable time and reflective consideration in this matter.
Lieutcoluseng (
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Delete per nom, reason: nondefining. --
Just N. (
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Delete not really defining or overall unifying to those involved.
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Where are we permitted to discuss this? The deletion of
Category: American Legion created an issue on a page I'm watching, but I don't know how to resolve it. Per instructions, I tried to discuss on the
Category talk:Members of the American Legion , but it was quickly deleted. But I can't discuss it here, either? I don't think the short discussion, archived here, adequately addressed what to do with articles in the deleted category. It seems my only option is to re-create the deleted category, but that doesn't seem right, either. Just trying to follow the rules, but it seems I am not permitted to participate?
Canute (
talk) 13:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Canute: please discuss with the closer of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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How do I find that?
Canute (
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The only article in the parent category is
Union of Iraqi Writers and there's not obvious growth potential but no objection to recreating if it ever gets to 5+ articles. There are 4 articles in the subcategory (
1,
2,
3,
4), none of which even mention this organisation and it's not clear that it would be defining if they did. All the biographies are already somewhere under
Category:Iraqi writers so there's no need for a merge. -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete, not a defining characteristic. Just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom, reason: nondefining. --
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Circular categorization between Category:Notation, Category:Modeling languages, Category:Computer languages
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The result of the discussion was:administrative close; fix has been implemented.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:38, 11 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"Notation" is contained in "Modeling languages", "Modeling languages" are contained in "Computer languages", "Computer languages" are contained in "Notation", ...
Done, "Modeling languages" and "Computer languages" are now a subcategory of "Notation".
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Category:Songs written by Marcus Siepen
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Nominator's rationale: This category contains only one redirect, and as such serves no navigational aid.
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Category:Songs written by Mahmoud Darwish
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Category:Ghanaian male politicians
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Nominator's rationale: Per longstanding practice, we do not subcategorize politicians for maleness per se -- historically the overwhelming majority of politicians were automatically male by default, so for the same reason why there's no need to categorize Ghanaians for "blackness", there's no need to categorize its politicians for maleness. The fact that we have a category for women in politics does not mean we need to balance it against parallel categories for men: women in politics are an entirely modern concept, still novel and still under-represented enough that academics actually study and write about the phenomenon: whether women do the job differently than men do, whether they prioritize different issues than men do, whether conscious or unconscious gender bias affects the ability of women to win election to certain political offices, and on and so forth. In other words, real
reliable sources actively analyze the intersection of femaleness with politics, while they do not do the same for maleness, so we don't need "male politicians" categories just because we have "women in politics" categories. Categories for underrepresented minority groupings do not always need to be paired with equivalent categories for the majority.
Bearcat (
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Delete This is a clear violation of the basic principals of ERGS categorization.
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Category:Modern Meditational Yoga
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Nominator's rationale: Only one member
MB 16:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Well, yes. The category is one proposed by Prof.
Elizabeth de Michelis in her early attempt to classify
Modern yoga (itself a pretty vague category, one might suppose). If you look at the article you'll see she came up with 4 types, of which "
Modern postural yoga" equates to "Yoga as exercise" practised by hundreds of millions, and the others are whatever else is left over. Unfortunately, much more-or-less "postural" yoga actually includes quite a bit of old-fashioned non-postural
yoga, with meditation and other practices all the way through to ritual purifications (
shatkarmas), use of
mantras, and all the rest. So, I shan't oppose your chopping of the category, but I note it as an interesting move. If anybody feels like adding a selection of yoga schools to the category then I'd not oppose keeping or re-creating it someday.
Chiswick Chap (
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Merge to
Category:Yoga. It is not only a smallcat, the category is also based on a non-defining characteristic - at least that seems to be the case when reading the one article that is in the category.
Marcocapelle (
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Delete per nom or merge per Marco. --
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Category:People from Indiana Township, Allegheny County, Pennsylvania
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Nominator's rationale: Small one-county community with just one entry.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 15:07, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah, support. I found a second one, but two isn't enough for a category.
Grutness...wha? 02:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge for Now With no objection to recreating if it ever gets to 5+ members. -
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Category:120 Days albums
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The result of the discussion was:keep. As noted, it is standard to have an album category for every artist that has at least one article about an album and therefore categories such as this would be widely accepted as coming within the "part of a large overall sub-categorization scheme" exception mentioned in
WP:SMALLCAT.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 00:41, 11 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: At only one entry and only one other possible entry, as 120 Days released two albums, this category seems very unnecessary.
Geschichte (
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Keep per the exception noted in
WP:SMALLCAT as it is "part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme." StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:10, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom . --
Just N. (
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Keep: per WP:SMALLCAT... it's generally accepted that this is one of the standard exceptions included for small categories.
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Category:Songs written by Brian Tyler (composer)
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Delete per nom . --
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Rename' per nom. --
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Rename' per nom. --
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Category:Black Spring (Cuba)
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Nominator's rationale: Only 2 articles, one of which doesnt mention Black Spring.
Rathfelder (
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SupportWP:SMALLCAT certainly applies here for right now. Not sure whether this could be defining, even with more articles. -
RevelationDirect (
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There are a load of articles about people who were arrested in the Black Spring, and if we think they should all be categorised here we should keep it.
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Category:Buddhist actors
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British people by Chinese sub-ethnicities
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The result of the discussion was:merge the first two; do not merge the third.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 03:03, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are trivial intersections since there isn't a specific Hakka ethnicity, Taishan ethnicity or Manchu ethnicity distinguished in the United Kingdom.
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Prisencolin: pinging editor who was consistently involved in previous descent discussions.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose -- Unlike Americans, the Chinese are not homogenous. Hakka is a language, and these will refer back to their native languages. It happens that most Chinese in UK are immigrants from Hong Kong or the New Territories, meaning that their mother tongue is Cantonese. Many of the overseas Chinese of southeast Asia are of Hakka extraction. These are accordingly real descent categories. The only change that might be appropriate is merging English to British. Dividing descent categories into the four UK home nations is inappropriate.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 21:21, 3 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment I's confusing stuff IMHO. Does Peterkingiron have more and better/ convincing fact hints so this could be made decidable? --
Just N. (
talk) 15:41, 4 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge Hakka/TaishanHakka people appears to be a linguistic group and
Taishanese people a specific area, both of which are considered Han and the articles of descendants in the UK don't seem to emphasize traits beyond Chinese descent.
Manchu people appears to be viewed as a distinct ethnicity though. -
RevelationDirect (
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Merge the first two. Keep the third since MAnchu is one of the recognized ethnic groups of China.
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Category:Members of the American Legion
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Delete, not a defining characteristic. Just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining.
Marcocapelle (
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Keep - it seems fairly standard to categorize groups of persons by association (i.e. vocation/avocation), where they resided in the past (i.e. hometowns, etc.), what military awards they received, and what lower-tier high school they went to (and many of those are much smaller groupings). To say deleting the category of an organization with 1.8 million members is the right thing to do seems odd considering that many of the other categories I mentioned contain far fewer real or potential articles in them (and always will). For example, the
Category:American Freemasons has the subcategory
Category:Puerto Rican Freemasons with only two entries in it. My question then is this; why do we, as
WikiPedians, spend our precious time proposing the category deletion of an organization with 1.8 million members and leave categories like that one alone? And, there are many more like it. Taking the point to a higher level, what separates the categories:
Sons of the American Revolution (which is also a member category), numerous categories like the
Category:Freemasons by nationality (which has over 60 subcategories of its own, by the way) as opposed to the one in question containing no subcategories at all? I am a bit bewildered at our latest attempt to indiscriminately single out an organization with 1.8 million members for deletion while leaving multiple membership categories of
Freemasons intact. Also please note that the deletion proposal comment "not a defining characteristic" applies to a great deal of categories throughout
Wikipedia (e.g. What American high school or English grammar school any person of notarity was educated at is seldom a defining characteristic, yet we have numerous categories just like that). With regards to the other category deletion proposal comment that "this category consists mostly of politicians who joined the organization;" I concede that point, but would also like to illustrate the fact that there are many more biographical articles yet to be added where the American Legion member is most notable exclusively for their military service (e.g.
Mark E. Ferguson III,
Douglas MacArthur,
Billy Mitchell,
George S. Patton,
Eddie Rickenbacker,
Alvin York, and numerous
Medal of Honor recipients), and the television and movie actors (e.g.
Dick Van Dyke and
Larry Wilcox, all whom were publicly active within the
American Legion when it came to Legion children's hospital charity fundraising, telethons, etc.). And, as so aptly stated by the nominator, this is not a small category (
WP:SMALLCAT) at all. As time permits; I and other WikiPedians will add more citations to the main page (
List of members of the American Legion) and, most importantly, add more non-politico types... since that seems to be an issue). I strongly recommend retaining
Category:Members of the American Legion as singling out the group of 1.8 million members (this the largest veterans association on the entire planet) while retaining numerous, smaller like-type categories such as
Category:Freemasons by nationality,
Category:Daughters of the American Revolution, and
Category:Recipients of the Meritorious Service Medal (which is a lower-level military award than the
Bronze Star Medal that doesn't have a category of its own) would defeat the purpose of Wikipedia even having separate categories. WikiPedians smarter than me, please explain why
Category:Frank C. Munson Institute of American Maritime History faculty and
Category:People from Taneytown, Maryland deserve to "stick around" while a veterans organization with over 1.8 million members world-wide would not merit a single member category of its own? I am simply dumbfounded as to why it would not. At what point do we decide to get rid of categories altogether? Thanks for your valuable time and reflective consideration in this matter.
Lieutcoluseng (
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Delete per nom, reason: nondefining. --
Just N. (
talk) 15:32, 4 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete not really defining or overall unifying to those involved.
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Where are we permitted to discuss this? The deletion of
Category: American Legion created an issue on a page I'm watching, but I don't know how to resolve it. Per instructions, I tried to discuss on the
Category talk:Members of the American Legion , but it was quickly deleted. But I can't discuss it here, either? I don't think the short discussion, archived here, adequately addressed what to do with articles in the deleted category. It seems my only option is to re-create the deleted category, but that doesn't seem right, either. Just trying to follow the rules, but it seems I am not permitted to participate?
Canute (
talk) 13:58, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Canute: please discuss with the closer of the discussion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 17:45, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
How do I find that?
Canute (
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The only article in the parent category is
Union of Iraqi Writers and there's not obvious growth potential but no objection to recreating if it ever gets to 5+ articles. There are 4 articles in the subcategory (
1,
2,
3,
4), none of which even mention this organisation and it's not clear that it would be defining if they did. All the biographies are already somewhere under
Category:Iraqi writers so there's no need for a merge. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:58, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete, not a defining characteristic. Just membership of an organization is hardly ever defining.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:28, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, reason: nondefining. --
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