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If deleted, the older page history should be merged into 2009–2014, without leaving a redirect this time. Note: a swift close would assist the nominator in his excellent with on nav templates. –
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Category:16th-century Flemish people by occupation
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Oppose. Sources nearly always discuss these as "Flemish" people, e.g. Flemish painters. Whatever happens, please don't expand this to Flemish artists, as this is the generally accepted term ("Flemish painters" and the like, never "Habsburg Netherlands painters").
Fram (
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07:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)reply
This is part of an exercise to sort out the confusions in Belgian/Flemish categories before 1830. Further ideas are welcome.
Rathfelder (
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22:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Not sure whether we are really going to sort out what "Flemish" means in this period. Dependent on context, it could mean just from the county of Flanders, or also from the duchy of Brabant, or from the entire Southern Netherlands including the Prince-Bishopric of Liege. I have the impression that the latter applies to "Flemish artists" but I am not sure.
Marcocapelle (
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05:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Well, luckily we don't have to sort this out, we can go with what reliable sources use of course. If they discuss these people as being "Flemish", then it is perfectly appropriate to have a category for this and to put them in there.
Fram (
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07:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- Flemish strictly refers to natives of Flanders, but it widely used to refer to the Flemish (aka Dutch) speaking region of Belgium, as opposed to the Walloon (French-speaking) region. While I support having a "Hapsburg Netherlands" (rather than a Belgian) parent, I do not think we should be merging Flemish into Netherlands as a matter of course. What a person's native language is constitutes a very important characteristic.
Peterkingiron (
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16:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Categorizing Early Modern people by the language that they spoke will become an OR nightmare. Note that even the County of Flanders (originally much bigger than the current two Belgian provinces) had French-speaking areas.
Marcocapelle (
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17:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"Flemish" is clearly an ambiguous and contested term, which really makes it unsuitable for categorisation, but I dont think it is a battle we should fight. It is certainly used a lot for painters, and that seems to be fairly clear. But I think we need to avoid giving the impression that it was a nationality, and so put people in nationality categories as well as Flemish, especially if its not very clear what is meant by Flemish as far as that article is concerned.
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21:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge Flemish did not mean what it means today at the time. We should categorize people by the largest coherent applicable grouping at the time, and the target is that.
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Anglican bishops in Ghana
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Support - per above. The confusion between Anglican and Catholic bishops, who often are based in the same city, has been a minor but reoccurring problem.
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Category:Field hockey clubs in Poland
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Category:Refugees by name
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Category:People from the Southern Netherlands
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Support for consistency. The category tree might have been called Southern Netherlands instead, and could have included some non-Austrian parts that were more or less Austrian protectorates, but that is not the case now.
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13:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment -- We have recently discussed using Hapsburg Netherlands as a target, defined as up to 1795. We need to be consistent. I see no objection to having a separate Liègois category. I think we should avoid changing Flemish categories for the moment, merely reparenting them. I also see no objection to these pre-Belgian categories being parented in Belgian trees. What became Belgium has generally been a single distinct polity since the 15th century, though with losses of territory by the secession of United Provinces and conquests by France, except 1795-1814 (French conquest) and 1814-30 (United Netherlands - actually also called Belgium).
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16:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
That is a fair point, Habsburg, Spanish and Austrian Netherlands categories can still be have a Belgian category as their parent.
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Category:Artists from the Southern Netherlands
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Nominator's rationale:Southern Netherlands was never a country in its own right. We dont have any other categories of People from the Southern Netherlands, and its hard to see this as creating anything other than confusion.
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13:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Complicated, the subcategories (most particularly
Category:Flemish artists (before 1830)) may contain articles from the periods of the
United Kingdom of the Netherlands, Austrian (Habsburg) Netherlands, Spanish (Habsburg) Netherlands, Burgundian Netherlands and pre-Burgundian counties and duchies. The proposal is most probably too simple. A very broad alternative is, let us look for every subcategory separately where it belongs best, and in the end when everything has fallen in place let us delete the nominated category.Marcocapelle (
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14:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree we shouldnt rush this. I will do what I can, which may involve emptying some categories, and would appreciate advice and assistance from people who understand the historical geography better than I do - though I did make a fact-finding trip to
Baarle-Hertog.
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Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
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pre-1917 establishments in Latvia
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Nominators rationale There is no Latvia before 1917. It is split between the Duchy of Courland and Livonia, the later of which included areas not now in Latvia.
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People of Jewish descent by religion
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Nominator's rationale: delete as it is usually irrelevant when someone of a certain religion has (a few) ancestors of another religion. There are exceptions when it is relevant, for example with the
Conversos in Spain who in the 16th century were not trusted to have truly converted from Judaism to Christianity. But a situation like that does not apply to the nominated categories.
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Manually delete -- If a Jew has converted to Hinduism, he should be in a convert category, not a descent category. If the convert was a parent (or remoter ancestor) the descent category is quite possibly irrelevant.
Agree, if people converted themselves they should be in a convert category. But I assume that this is already the case so that manual action is not needed.
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Delete These caregories are out of touch with the reality of Jewish life, at least in America, since 1970. The rates of marriage between Jews and non-Jews since that date and various other factors means that for large numbers of people born in the US since 1980 who have Jewish ancestry this is a trivial detail. Arguably this applies to other areas and places. The Nazis even had a hard time defining Jewishness because their theories on it being an inmutalbe and distinct racial group did not mesh with the lived reality of Jewishness in mid-20th century Germany. Yes, Jewishness is an ethno-religious group, but it is not a true and effective racial designation, and so this does not work. Beyond this, these categories are effectively classyfying people by race. We are not demanding any sign of ethnic Jewishness, mere known ancestry. If we had
Category:Christian people of Jewish descent or even
Cateogry:Latter-day Saint people of Jewish descent some would try to put
Hugh W. Nibley in the category. He does not belong in such a category at all. Yes, at some level even he probably knew that his great-grandfather Alexander Niebaur was born Jewish. Nibley donated Niubaur's jornal to the Archives of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and seems to have read it throughly before that. However based on both his mother's public and private statements, and the rhetoric Nibley engaged in where he always wrote in a way that implied that he was completely and throughly of Anglo-American descent, Nibley was in no way ethnically Jewish, did not conceive of himself of publicly claim Jewish ancestry, and so if we are going to categorize by ethnicity he would never belong in such a category.
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Category:Medieval Flemish astronomers
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Nominator's rationale:delete as anachronistic. While Flemish nowadays means Dutch-speaking Belgian, in the Middle Ages Flemish was simply someone from the county of Flanders (for whom we already have
Category:People from the county of Flanders). There is no need to merge, both articles are already in an astronomer-by-century subcategory and in either a county of Flanders or a duchy of Brabant subcategory.
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Not convinced that it's an anachronism (Flemish people still means people from Flanders, as opposed to Flemish-speaking people), but I agree that it's confusing and could go.
Grutness...wha?03:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- We need to deal with such categories systematically, not piecemeal. For the medieval period, the intersection of Dutch/Flemish speaking and occupation would provide a viable category.
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Categorizing Early Modern people by the language that they spoke will become an OR nightmare. In the Middle Ages it will be even worse.
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Category:12th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Flanders
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The result of the discussion was:renamed; no consensus to merge. This close is no bar to a re-nomination, as this CFD looks rather confusing, and the nomination does not give a rationale for merging. –
FayenaticLondon20:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename and re-parent per actual category content. All 8 articles are about prince-bishops of Liege, so Flanders is quite a stretch. The category should also be re-parented to
Category:Prince-Bishops of Liège instead of the current Flemish parent.
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I think this is a mistake. Nobody argues they were subjects of Burgundy, not the least because the expansion of Burgundy took place some 200 years later than this category is about. The question is just whether HRE century categories should be diffused by bishopric.
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Category:Microaggression theory
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Category:18th-century Belgian people
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Support per nom as anachronistic. Though probably, after renaming, a few articles may need to be moved from Austrian Netherlands to Holy Roman Empire.
Marcocapelle (
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08:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Although I agree with
John Pack Lambert its easier said than done, and in some ways is impractical.
Category:People from Antwerp, for example, is quite properly in
Category:People by populated place in Belgium, and I dont really think it is sensible to put it into Austrian Netherlands, Spanish Netherlands and Hapsburg Netherlands categories. So I am looking at categories which in themselves are anachronistic. I think Belgium may be less controversial than the UK. We shouldnt have British categories before 1707. And Germany is even more complicated.
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12:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Prefer "Hapsburg Netherlands". With some loss of territory and some changes of name, this was continuous polity from 15th century to 1795, then reconstituted in 1830. I do not see why we cannot treat it as continuous.
Peterkingiron (
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16:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
If this is the way forward, it should at least be
Habsburg Netherlands instead of Hapsburg. But. While technically the Habsburgs were the rulers throughout the Early Modern period, the problem is that the term Habsburg Netherlands is not actually used in historiography of the 17th and 18th century. The term Habsburg Netherlands mainly refers to the gradual unification period and the short united period of the Low Lands. After the Dutch Republic stabilized as an independent country, the terms
Spanish Netherlands and
Austrian Netherlands were used. Or
Southern Netherlands, but that was a bit broader in geography.
Marcocapelle (
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18:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
As the Oxford English Dictionary puts it: "The name Belgium and related words appear from the 16th cent. in several European languages, including English, as a name for the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary, often in contrast with Batavia". So the word was in use before there was an independent Belgian state, and it is accepted English usage to apply it to "the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary". --
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Category:Animated films about death
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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in the Pacific
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Category:Self-originated denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement
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Category:Résumé frauds and controversies
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Nominator's rationale: Category is fundamentally overbroad; it is extremely problematic w/r/t
WP:BLP to conflate "fraud" (a criminal offense and civil tort) with "controversy" (someone got mad on the Internet). Describing a living person as committing "fraud" absent an admission of fabrication, conviction or finding of civil liability is potentially libelous. Per
WP:OPINIONCAT, that someone is merely accused of something is not a
defining characteristic. This could possibly be reworked and renamed to include only people who have been convicted, found liable, or admitted to fraud.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
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15:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename to "Category:Résumé controversies" and consider creating a category for frauds alone for instances in which there have been criminal convictions. It should not be deleted as there are certainly resume controversies.
Coretheapple (
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15:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Of course than there was
Sterling Heights, Michigan's former City Manager who just plain lied about having a degree on his resume and got found out and outsed from office, and they removed his name from the "road" right in front of the library, police station and city hall. There are reasons I am very hesitant about naming anything after the living. Here in
Detroit we have a road that currently has signs naming it after a member of congress ousted for sexual harassment. Yes I will speak out against
John Conyers at every chance I get.
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Category:Songs about funk
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Delete. None of the articles I read mentioned 'funk' in the text which then fails
WP:SHAREDNAME which reads, Avoid categorizing by a subject's name when it is a non-defining characteristic of the subject, or by characteristics of the name rather than the subject itself... --
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Category:People with insomnia
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Chronic insomnia can be a serious medical condition but this tends to come up tangentially in articles. The
Button King made buttons when he couldn't sleep,
Tallulah Bankhead got hooked on sleeping pills she took for insomnia, while the reason for including
Ibn al-Khatib is unclear. These people do not seem defined by this medical condition and Wikipedia is not a medical history of every diseases or ailment of notable people. -
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Category:Odd Fellows by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:TRIVIALCAT (and
WP:C2F for the parent category)
I certainly can't claim
WP:SMALLCAT here because the
American branch currently has 600,000 members and
the British branch was founded in 1798 so there have been many more members total. Maybe King
George IV, President
Ulysses S. Grant, and Prime Minister
Winston Churchill were members but their articles don't even mention it. And, even for articles that do mention, the passing references to multiple organizations seem nondefining for
Joseph Braithwaite (mayor),
Elijah A. Briggs, and
Earl Warren. Simply being a member of a membership organization is not defining.
Delete -- I am not sure whether it is/was a Friendly Society or merely connected to one, but these functioned as medical and life insurance companies. Membership is non-defining.
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If deleted, the older page history should be merged into 2009–2014, without leaving a redirect this time. Note: a swift close would assist the nominator in his excellent with on nav templates. –
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Category:16th-century Flemish people by occupation
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Oppose. Sources nearly always discuss these as "Flemish" people, e.g. Flemish painters. Whatever happens, please don't expand this to Flemish artists, as this is the generally accepted term ("Flemish painters" and the like, never "Habsburg Netherlands painters").
Fram (
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07:27, 14 May 2021 (UTC)reply
This is part of an exercise to sort out the confusions in Belgian/Flemish categories before 1830. Further ideas are welcome.
Rathfelder (
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22:14, 15 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Not sure whether we are really going to sort out what "Flemish" means in this period. Dependent on context, it could mean just from the county of Flanders, or also from the duchy of Brabant, or from the entire Southern Netherlands including the Prince-Bishopric of Liege. I have the impression that the latter applies to "Flemish artists" but I am not sure.
Marcocapelle (
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05:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Well, luckily we don't have to sort this out, we can go with what reliable sources use of course. If they discuss these people as being "Flemish", then it is perfectly appropriate to have a category for this and to put them in there.
Fram (
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07:50, 18 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- Flemish strictly refers to natives of Flanders, but it widely used to refer to the Flemish (aka Dutch) speaking region of Belgium, as opposed to the Walloon (French-speaking) region. While I support having a "Hapsburg Netherlands" (rather than a Belgian) parent, I do not think we should be merging Flemish into Netherlands as a matter of course. What a person's native language is constitutes a very important characteristic.
Peterkingiron (
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16:26, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Categorizing Early Modern people by the language that they spoke will become an OR nightmare. Note that even the County of Flanders (originally much bigger than the current two Belgian provinces) had French-speaking areas.
Marcocapelle (
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17:25, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
"Flemish" is clearly an ambiguous and contested term, which really makes it unsuitable for categorisation, but I dont think it is a battle we should fight. It is certainly used a lot for painters, and that seems to be fairly clear. But I think we need to avoid giving the impression that it was a nationality, and so put people in nationality categories as well as Flemish, especially if its not very clear what is meant by Flemish as far as that article is concerned.
Rathfelder (
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21:27, 19 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Merge Flemish did not mean what it means today at the time. We should categorize people by the largest coherent applicable grouping at the time, and the target is that.
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12:35, 2 June 2021 (UTC)reply
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Anglican bishops in Ghana
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Support - per above. The confusion between Anglican and Catholic bishops, who often are based in the same city, has been a minor but reoccurring problem.
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Category:Field hockey clubs in Poland
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Category:Refugees by name
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Category:People from the Southern Netherlands
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Support for consistency. The category tree might have been called Southern Netherlands instead, and could have included some non-Austrian parts that were more or less Austrian protectorates, but that is not the case now.
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13:55, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment -- We have recently discussed using Hapsburg Netherlands as a target, defined as up to 1795. We need to be consistent. I see no objection to having a separate Liègois category. I think we should avoid changing Flemish categories for the moment, merely reparenting them. I also see no objection to these pre-Belgian categories being parented in Belgian trees. What became Belgium has generally been a single distinct polity since the 15th century, though with losses of territory by the secession of United Provinces and conquests by France, except 1795-1814 (French conquest) and 1814-30 (United Netherlands - actually also called Belgium).
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16:40, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
That is a fair point, Habsburg, Spanish and Austrian Netherlands categories can still be have a Belgian category as their parent.
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Category:Artists from the Southern Netherlands
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Nominator's rationale:Southern Netherlands was never a country in its own right. We dont have any other categories of People from the Southern Netherlands, and its hard to see this as creating anything other than confusion.
Rathfelder (
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13:36, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Complicated, the subcategories (most particularly
Category:Flemish artists (before 1830)) may contain articles from the periods of the
United Kingdom of the Netherlands, Austrian (Habsburg) Netherlands, Spanish (Habsburg) Netherlands, Burgundian Netherlands and pre-Burgundian counties and duchies. The proposal is most probably too simple. A very broad alternative is, let us look for every subcategory separately where it belongs best, and in the end when everything has fallen in place let us delete the nominated category.Marcocapelle (
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14:01, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Agree we shouldnt rush this. I will do what I can, which may involve emptying some categories, and would appreciate advice and assistance from people who understand the historical geography better than I do - though I did make a fact-finding trip to
Baarle-Hertog.
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Category:Television series in Georgia (country)
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pre-1917 establishments in Latvia
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Nominators rationale There is no Latvia before 1917. It is split between the Duchy of Courland and Livonia, the later of which included areas not now in Latvia.
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People of Jewish descent by religion
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Nominator's rationale: delete as it is usually irrelevant when someone of a certain religion has (a few) ancestors of another religion. There are exceptions when it is relevant, for example with the
Conversos in Spain who in the 16th century were not trusted to have truly converted from Judaism to Christianity. But a situation like that does not apply to the nominated categories.
Marcocapelle (
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12:05, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Manually delete -- If a Jew has converted to Hinduism, he should be in a convert category, not a descent category. If the convert was a parent (or remoter ancestor) the descent category is quite possibly irrelevant.
Agree, if people converted themselves they should be in a convert category. But I assume that this is already the case so that manual action is not needed.
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18:15, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete These caregories are out of touch with the reality of Jewish life, at least in America, since 1970. The rates of marriage between Jews and non-Jews since that date and various other factors means that for large numbers of people born in the US since 1980 who have Jewish ancestry this is a trivial detail. Arguably this applies to other areas and places. The Nazis even had a hard time defining Jewishness because their theories on it being an inmutalbe and distinct racial group did not mesh with the lived reality of Jewishness in mid-20th century Germany. Yes, Jewishness is an ethno-religious group, but it is not a true and effective racial designation, and so this does not work. Beyond this, these categories are effectively classyfying people by race. We are not demanding any sign of ethnic Jewishness, mere known ancestry. If we had
Category:Christian people of Jewish descent or even
Cateogry:Latter-day Saint people of Jewish descent some would try to put
Hugh W. Nibley in the category. He does not belong in such a category at all. Yes, at some level even he probably knew that his great-grandfather Alexander Niebaur was born Jewish. Nibley donated Niubaur's jornal to the Archives of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and seems to have read it throughly before that. However based on both his mother's public and private statements, and the rhetoric Nibley engaged in where he always wrote in a way that implied that he was completely and throughly of Anglo-American descent, Nibley was in no way ethnically Jewish, did not conceive of himself of publicly claim Jewish ancestry, and so if we are going to categorize by ethnicity he would never belong in such a category.
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Category:Medieval Flemish astronomers
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Nominator's rationale:delete as anachronistic. While Flemish nowadays means Dutch-speaking Belgian, in the Middle Ages Flemish was simply someone from the county of Flanders (for whom we already have
Category:People from the county of Flanders). There is no need to merge, both articles are already in an astronomer-by-century subcategory and in either a county of Flanders or a duchy of Brabant subcategory.
Marcocapelle (
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11:53, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Not convinced that it's an anachronism (Flemish people still means people from Flanders, as opposed to Flemish-speaking people), but I agree that it's confusing and could go.
Grutness...wha?03:45, 14 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep for now -- We need to deal with such categories systematically, not piecemeal. For the medieval period, the intersection of Dutch/Flemish speaking and occupation would provide a viable category.
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16:53, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Categorizing Early Modern people by the language that they spoke will become an OR nightmare. In the Middle Ages it will be even worse.
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Category:12th-century Roman Catholic bishops in Flanders
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The result of the discussion was:renamed; no consensus to merge. This close is no bar to a re-nomination, as this CFD looks rather confusing, and the nomination does not give a rationale for merging. –
FayenaticLondon20:37, 16 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:rename and re-parent per actual category content. All 8 articles are about prince-bishops of Liege, so Flanders is quite a stretch. The category should also be re-parented to
Category:Prince-Bishops of Liège instead of the current Flemish parent.
Marcocapelle (
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10:46, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
I think this is a mistake. Nobody argues they were subjects of Burgundy, not the least because the expansion of Burgundy took place some 200 years later than this category is about. The question is just whether HRE century categories should be diffused by bishopric.
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Category:Microaggression theory
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Category:18th-century Belgian people
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Support per nom as anachronistic. Though probably, after renaming, a few articles may need to be moved from Austrian Netherlands to Holy Roman Empire.
Marcocapelle (
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08:49, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Although I agree with
John Pack Lambert its easier said than done, and in some ways is impractical.
Category:People from Antwerp, for example, is quite properly in
Category:People by populated place in Belgium, and I dont really think it is sensible to put it into Austrian Netherlands, Spanish Netherlands and Hapsburg Netherlands categories. So I am looking at categories which in themselves are anachronistic. I think Belgium may be less controversial than the UK. We shouldnt have British categories before 1707. And Germany is even more complicated.
Rathfelder (
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12:52, 13 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Prefer "Hapsburg Netherlands". With some loss of territory and some changes of name, this was continuous polity from 15th century to 1795, then reconstituted in 1830. I do not see why we cannot treat it as continuous.
Peterkingiron (
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16:58, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
If this is the way forward, it should at least be
Habsburg Netherlands instead of Hapsburg. But. While technically the Habsburgs were the rulers throughout the Early Modern period, the problem is that the term Habsburg Netherlands is not actually used in historiography of the 17th and 18th century. The term Habsburg Netherlands mainly refers to the gradual unification period and the short united period of the Low Lands. After the Dutch Republic stabilized as an independent country, the terms
Spanish Netherlands and
Austrian Netherlands were used. Or
Southern Netherlands, but that was a bit broader in geography.
Marcocapelle (
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18:16, 16 May 2021 (UTC)reply
As the Oxford English Dictionary puts it: "The name Belgium and related words appear from the 16th cent. in several European languages, including English, as a name for the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary, often in contrast with Batavia". So the word was in use before there was an independent Belgian state, and it is accepted English usage to apply it to "the southern regions of the Low Countries, both historical and contemporary". --
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Category:Animated films about death
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Category:Objects presumed to be related with Adam and Eve
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Category:Roman Catholic dioceses in the Pacific
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Category:Self-originated denominations in the Latter Day Saint movement
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Category:Résumé frauds and controversies
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Nominator's rationale: Category is fundamentally overbroad; it is extremely problematic w/r/t
WP:BLP to conflate "fraud" (a criminal offense and civil tort) with "controversy" (someone got mad on the Internet). Describing a living person as committing "fraud" absent an admission of fabrication, conviction or finding of civil liability is potentially libelous. Per
WP:OPINIONCAT, that someone is merely accused of something is not a
defining characteristic. This could possibly be reworked and renamed to include only people who have been convicted, found liable, or admitted to fraud.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
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15:19, 20 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename to "Category:Résumé controversies" and consider creating a category for frauds alone for instances in which there have been criminal convictions. It should not be deleted as there are certainly resume controversies.
Coretheapple (
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15:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Of course than there was
Sterling Heights, Michigan's former City Manager who just plain lied about having a degree on his resume and got found out and outsed from office, and they removed his name from the "road" right in front of the library, police station and city hall. There are reasons I am very hesitant about naming anything after the living. Here in
Detroit we have a road that currently has signs naming it after a member of congress ousted for sexual harassment. Yes I will speak out against
John Conyers at every chance I get.
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Category:Songs about funk
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Delete. None of the articles I read mentioned 'funk' in the text which then fails
WP:SHAREDNAME which reads, Avoid categorizing by a subject's name when it is a non-defining characteristic of the subject, or by characteristics of the name rather than the subject itself... --
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Category:People with insomnia
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Chronic insomnia can be a serious medical condition but this tends to come up tangentially in articles. The
Button King made buttons when he couldn't sleep,
Tallulah Bankhead got hooked on sleeping pills she took for insomnia, while the reason for including
Ibn al-Khatib is unclear. These people do not seem defined by this medical condition and Wikipedia is not a medical history of every diseases or ailment of notable people. -
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Category:Odd Fellows by nationality
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:TRIVIALCAT (and
WP:C2F for the parent category)
I certainly can't claim
WP:SMALLCAT here because the
American branch currently has 600,000 members and
the British branch was founded in 1798 so there have been many more members total. Maybe King
George IV, President
Ulysses S. Grant, and Prime Minister
Winston Churchill were members but their articles don't even mention it. And, even for articles that do mention, the passing references to multiple organizations seem nondefining for
Joseph Braithwaite (mayor),
Elijah A. Briggs, and
Earl Warren. Simply being a member of a membership organization is not defining.
Delete -- I am not sure whether it is/was a Friendly Society or merely connected to one, but these functioned as medical and life insurance companies. Membership is non-defining.
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