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Procedural oppose, it does not make sense to discuss these until we know the outcome of the other discussion. If Chinese descent is not going to be deleted, Malay descent has even less reason to be deleted.
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Category:American people of Mexican descent
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Nominator's rationale:WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of people (sub cats may be valid as they are smaller and more specific in scope so I didn't put them up), not to mention there isn't even a universally used name, i.e. differs between Mexican and Chicano. There's also a
WP:SYNTH issue where people who are not discussed adjacent to one another in reliable sources are thrown together in a single category in a way that may not be realistic.--
Prisencolin (
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19:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you read the full nomination? I'm saying the sub categories can continue to exist because they are more specific in scope, perhaps a better nomination is to get a bot to empty the category.--
Prisencolin (
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20:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You just added "or containerize". Ok then I am adding Procedural oppose deletion. Neutral about containerization. I would like to know why the subcategories by occupation have not been nominated, doesn't the same rationale apply to these?
Marcocapelle (
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21:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
It's a different discussion that I may propose at a later date, but at the moment, I'm just contending that this is an
WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of persons who are not normally discussed together.--
Prisencolin (
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21:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
LaundryPizza03: So you have decided that Mexican Americans prefer to be called Hispanic or Latino over Chicano or Mexican American? I'm sorry, but I don't think you realize how deeply offensive it is to erase the nuances of all the various Latin American ethnicities in the U.S. (Puerto Ricans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, etc.) and call us all "Hispanics."
Garcia1865 (
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20:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose I agree with Marcocapelle. The nominator singles out one category out of a larger category tree. The rationale seems incomprehensible to me.
Dimadick (
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12:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Speedy keepThis makes absolutely no sense. 37 million American people of Mexican descent and all of a sudden it’s too catch-all? What’s next? Getting rid of American people of Scottish descent just because it’s in the United Kingdom?
Trillfendi (
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21:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The cateogry is clearly legitimate. Who does or does not belong is worth considering with clear reasonable inclusion limits. Although I still think
Henry B. Eyring belongs in this category. His father was born in Mexico, where 3 generations of his family had gone to settle, and one of his ancestors at the time of his death went by the name Enrique Eyring.
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Category:Neopaganism
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Nominator's rationale:rename per article
Modern Paganism. Technically this could have been nominated at
WP:CFDS but it is quite a big tree so better have a full discussion about the top category first. If this goes through, the rest of the tree can be speedied for sure.
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Category:History of religion by period
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Category:Barriers to critical thinking
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus to delete as nominated, but if proposed there could be a consensus for a resolution of what to do with the contents.
Good Ol’factory(talk)01:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a wholly subjective category that does not have solid (or, really, any) inclusion criteria. Subcategories seem rather arbitrary and nonsensical: the category "Ignorance", for example, is not a category of things that are ignorant, but rather applications of the philosophical and legal concept of ignorance (it contains
Ignotum per ignotius and
Lambert v. California).
Comment Oppose as nominated, merging or renaming may be better options than plain deletion, in order to keep (most of) the content together.
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Category:Wikipedia toponymy
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Nominator's rationale: At time of this comment, the 5 pages in this project category are two naming conventions, one style essay about geographic names in South Asia, one article talk page archive, and one failed WikiProject proposal. It's definitely not serving much purpose now, as it is undercategorized and underpopulated, and I am skeptical that it is useful. If we do keep it, we'd need to decide its proper scope.
Bsherr (
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01:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
There's no main page on that topic. Where would you subcategorize it? Presently it is only a subcategory of WikiProject Georgraphy. --
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Rio Branco
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Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. --
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Category:Recipients of the Bavarian Order of Merit
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The
Bavarian Order of Merit is a state-wide award for Bavaria Germany but it feels very local: recipients include a sister who retired from running a children's home (
source), a long-term volunteer for senior citizens, a politician who supported the Red Cross, a bishop who provides excellent pastoral care (
source), and dozens of professors from the Technical University of Munich (
source).
Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. The fact that many of the recipients are not notable enough for articles is utterly immaterial; you could say the same about most of the
Category:Members of the Order of the British Empire. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be categorised or it isn't defining. 365 people appear in this category. Many recipients therefore clearly are notable enough for articles. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. --
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Procedural oppose, it does not make sense to discuss these until we know the outcome of the other discussion. If Chinese descent is not going to be deleted, Malay descent has even less reason to be deleted.
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20:23, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:American people of Mexican descent
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Nominator's rationale:WP:INDISCRIMINATE list of people (sub cats may be valid as they are smaller and more specific in scope so I didn't put them up), not to mention there isn't even a universally used name, i.e. differs between Mexican and Chicano. There's also a
WP:SYNTH issue where people who are not discussed adjacent to one another in reliable sources are thrown together in a single category in a way that may not be realistic.--
Prisencolin (
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19:50, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you read the full nomination? I'm saying the sub categories can continue to exist because they are more specific in scope, perhaps a better nomination is to get a bot to empty the category.--
Prisencolin (
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20:51, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
You just added "or containerize". Ok then I am adding Procedural oppose deletion. Neutral about containerization. I would like to know why the subcategories by occupation have not been nominated, doesn't the same rationale apply to these?
Marcocapelle (
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21:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
It's a different discussion that I may propose at a later date, but at the moment, I'm just contending that this is an
WP:INDISCRIMINATE collection of persons who are not normally discussed together.--
Prisencolin (
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21:32, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
@
LaundryPizza03: So you have decided that Mexican Americans prefer to be called Hispanic or Latino over Chicano or Mexican American? I'm sorry, but I don't think you realize how deeply offensive it is to erase the nuances of all the various Latin American ethnicities in the U.S. (Puerto Ricans, Mexican Americans, Cuban Americans, etc.) and call us all "Hispanics."
Garcia1865 (
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20:38, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose I agree with Marcocapelle. The nominator singles out one category out of a larger category tree. The rationale seems incomprehensible to me.
Dimadick (
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12:51, 31 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Speedy keepThis makes absolutely no sense. 37 million American people of Mexican descent and all of a sudden it’s too catch-all? What’s next? Getting rid of American people of Scottish descent just because it’s in the United Kingdom?
Trillfendi (
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21:17, 2 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose The cateogry is clearly legitimate. Who does or does not belong is worth considering with clear reasonable inclusion limits. Although I still think
Henry B. Eyring belongs in this category. His father was born in Mexico, where 3 generations of his family had gone to settle, and one of his ancestors at the time of his death went by the name Enrique Eyring.
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14:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Neopaganism
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Nominator's rationale:rename per article
Modern Paganism. Technically this could have been nominated at
WP:CFDS but it is quite a big tree so better have a full discussion about the top category first. If this goes through, the rest of the tree can be speedied for sure.
Marcocapelle (
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13:12, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Barriers to critical thinking
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus to delete as nominated, but if proposed there could be a consensus for a resolution of what to do with the contents.
Good Ol’factory(talk)01:30, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a wholly subjective category that does not have solid (or, really, any) inclusion criteria. Subcategories seem rather arbitrary and nonsensical: the category "Ignorance", for example, is not a category of things that are ignorant, but rather applications of the philosophical and legal concept of ignorance (it contains
Ignotum per ignotius and
Lambert v. California).
Comment Oppose as nominated, merging or renaming may be better options than plain deletion, in order to keep (most of) the content together.
Marcocapelle (
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11:04, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: At time of this comment, the 5 pages in this project category are two naming conventions, one style essay about geographic names in South Asia, one article talk page archive, and one failed WikiProject proposal. It's definitely not serving much purpose now, as it is undercategorized and underpopulated, and I am skeptical that it is useful. If we do keep it, we'd need to decide its proper scope.
Bsherr (
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01:34, 28 March 2021 (UTC)reply
There's no main page on that topic. Where would you subcategorize it? Presently it is only a subcategory of WikiProject Georgraphy. --
Bsherr (
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21:02, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Rio Branco
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Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. --
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13:13, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Bavarian Order of Merit
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The
Bavarian Order of Merit is a state-wide award for Bavaria Germany but it feels very local: recipients include a sister who retired from running a children's home (
source), a long-term volunteer for senior citizens, a politician who supported the Red Cross, a bishop who provides excellent pastoral care (
source), and dozens of professors from the Technical University of Munich (
source).
Keep. Unlike some others, this order does seem to be used to honour those who have actually achieved something. The fact that many of the recipients are not notable enough for articles is utterly immaterial; you could say the same about most of the
Category:Members of the Order of the British Empire. That doesn't mean it shouldn't be categorised or it isn't defining. 365 people appear in this category. Many recipients therefore clearly are notable enough for articles. This seems to be part of a campaign (mostly by the same editors) to get rid of all categorisation by awards, which is clearly ridiculous. Who says they're "non-defining"? Some are; many aren't. --
Necrothesp (
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13:12, 12 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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