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Category:Novels by Steven Seagal
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From my count I found 165 categories including this one that have one entry like this. However, this one doesn't really have reason to stay as Seagal is not really a writer by trade.
I think it's best for the novel to be categorized under Steven Seagal's main category. Because if it were to be a works by category then it would useless since works by is usually a container category. There aren't many articles that would require one. --
WikiCleanerMan (
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20:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:SMALLCAT. It's amazing how many times the brief
WP:SMALLCAT is misquoted at cfd when its single sentence includes "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme." The "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" in this case is
Category:Novels by writer.
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Category:Sports in Citrus Heights, California
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Category:People with Alzheimer's disease
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According to the
Alzheimer's disease article, the condition is typically fatal in 3-9 years so we're really categorizing living people who haven't died of Alzheimer's disease yet or people who died in the mean time of something else which the category header makes clear:
"For people who have or who had Alzheimer's disease. If their death is directly related to Alzheimer's, add the person to Category:Deaths from Alzheimer's disease. If a person with Alzheimer's died from something unrelated to Alzheimer's, add them here."
The bigger problem is that this awful disease usually occurs later in life and these biographies are notable because of unrelated accomplishments earlier in life. For instance, actor
Omar Sharif, footballer
Brian Pilkington, and Patriarch of Constantinople
Mesrob II Mutafyan have only passing references to the disease. Wikipedia is not for tracking every non-fatal medical condition of notable people. -
RevelationDirect (
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00:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both cats as they are. If the subject of a bio has been diagnosed with the condition, it's relevant to their life & hence their article.
Jim Michael (
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06:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both categories as they are. Although, the subject’s cause of death is an external factor. The factor itself is usually brought on by Alzheimer’s disease. I also don’t see this discussion occurring in regards to Parkinson’s disease.
20SS00 (
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10:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Like most "deaths from" and other disease-related categories, this is non-defining as Wikipedia defines the term. As to the argument that "it's relevant," that's not how it works here. "...defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject. if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article, it is probably not defining;"--
User:Namiba14:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:NONDEFINING and
WP:COPDEF. I say delete
Deaths from Alzheimer's disease as well. The fact that there are many other categories for verifiable but non-defining and/or trivial medical conditions or manners of death that haven't yet been deleted does not make this one any more defining. The fastidious hyper- and over-categorization by trivia-fascinated Wikipedians needs to be stymied. We shouldn't categorize things just because a category can be imagined.
--Animalparty! (
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03:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete This is jugely non-defining. A very large percentage of people who develop Alzheimer's will have been notable long before they developed it.
John Pack Lambert (
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13:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both categories as they are for the same reason as I stated above. Also, this discussion has been going on now for nearly a month and a half and I hardly see any consensus or decisions whatsoever being reached. I think it’s just best to leave the categories as they are.
20SS00 (
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15:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep I agree with Jim Michael. This a defining aspect of one's biography, and should be easily verified. In general we need more categories for medical conditions and causes of death. I would support recreating some categories deleted for absurd reasons.
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21:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Films directed by T. Guru Prasad
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Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Lawrence
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Oppose I've checked the 13 entries and a lot of them are: not song but lyrics only by Jack Lawrence. The nominator has made a careless job to forget to check himself. --
Just N. (
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08:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Justus Nussbaum: and @
LaundryPizza03:. Firstly I did not do a 'careless job' checking what contributions Jack Lawrence made, I made it quite clear in the nomination.
And for those who wish to split, are you intending to propose that all categories should be split according to contribution to specific songs. You guys are going to be working on the Lennon-McCartney & Jagger-Richard categories until the end of time . You have got some serious work to do – and not a living soul will benefit.
Comment Sorry to say it again. If anyone huddles together compositions and lyrics authoring that is to be named as *careless*! Which is what the nominator repeatedly has done and even defended as the right thing to do. No, is is not "Keeping all the JL compositions together" as in actual fact a lot of the entries are not at all JL's compositions. What is so difficult to understand or to accept about my veto *Keep to the facts!* ? --
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10:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
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Split Before I clicked on this, I assumed it was a parent category but it's just mixing things that are separate in other more specific categories. This does not make navigational sense as a non-diffusing category. -
RevelationDirect (
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11:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose this change -- Some years ago we stopped having categories for towns, cities and villages, due to the difficulties of defining boundaries: I live in a village of over 6000 people in a county where there are market towns of 2000 people. Instead merge subject and all targets to
Category:Populated places in Salem, Tamil Nadu.
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Category:Novels by Steven Seagal
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From my count I found 165 categories including this one that have one entry like this. However, this one doesn't really have reason to stay as Seagal is not really a writer by trade.
I think it's best for the novel to be categorized under Steven Seagal's main category. Because if it were to be a works by category then it would useless since works by is usually a container category. There aren't many articles that would require one. --
WikiCleanerMan (
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20:54, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep per
WP:SMALLCAT. It's amazing how many times the brief
WP:SMALLCAT is misquoted at cfd when its single sentence includes "unless such categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme." The "large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme" in this case is
Category:Novels by writer.
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01:37, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:People with Alzheimer's disease
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According to the
Alzheimer's disease article, the condition is typically fatal in 3-9 years so we're really categorizing living people who haven't died of Alzheimer's disease yet or people who died in the mean time of something else which the category header makes clear:
"For people who have or who had Alzheimer's disease. If their death is directly related to Alzheimer's, add the person to Category:Deaths from Alzheimer's disease. If a person with Alzheimer's died from something unrelated to Alzheimer's, add them here."
The bigger problem is that this awful disease usually occurs later in life and these biographies are notable because of unrelated accomplishments earlier in life. For instance, actor
Omar Sharif, footballer
Brian Pilkington, and Patriarch of Constantinople
Mesrob II Mutafyan have only passing references to the disease. Wikipedia is not for tracking every non-fatal medical condition of notable people. -
RevelationDirect (
talk)
00:03, 20 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both cats as they are. If the subject of a bio has been diagnosed with the condition, it's relevant to their life & hence their article.
Jim Michael (
talk)
06:08, 22 June 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both categories as they are. Although, the subject’s cause of death is an external factor. The factor itself is usually brought on by Alzheimer’s disease. I also don’t see this discussion occurring in regards to Parkinson’s disease.
20SS00 (
talk)
10:25, 4 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete Like most "deaths from" and other disease-related categories, this is non-defining as Wikipedia defines the term. As to the argument that "it's relevant," that's not how it works here. "...defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having. For example: "Subject is an adjective noun ..." or "Subject, an adjective noun, ...". If such examples are common, each of adjective and noun may be deemed to be "defining" for subject. if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article, it is probably not defining;"--
User:Namiba14:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete per
WP:NONDEFINING and
WP:COPDEF. I say delete
Deaths from Alzheimer's disease as well. The fact that there are many other categories for verifiable but non-defining and/or trivial medical conditions or manners of death that haven't yet been deleted does not make this one any more defining. The fastidious hyper- and over-categorization by trivia-fascinated Wikipedians needs to be stymied. We shouldn't categorize things just because a category can be imagined.
--Animalparty! (
talk)
03:19, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete This is jugely non-defining. A very large percentage of people who develop Alzheimer's will have been notable long before they developed it.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
13:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep both categories as they are for the same reason as I stated above. Also, this discussion has been going on now for nearly a month and a half and I hardly see any consensus or decisions whatsoever being reached. I think it’s just best to leave the categories as they are.
20SS00 (
talk)
15:16, 2 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep I agree with Jim Michael. This a defining aspect of one's biography, and should be easily verified. In general we need more categories for medical conditions and causes of death. I would support recreating some categories deleted for absurd reasons.
Dimadick (
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21:44, 6 August 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Songs with lyrics by Jack Lawrence
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Oppose I've checked the 13 entries and a lot of them are: not song but lyrics only by Jack Lawrence. The nominator has made a careless job to forget to check himself. --
Just N. (
talk)
08:19, 19 June 2021 (UTC)reply
@
Justus Nussbaum: and @
LaundryPizza03:. Firstly I did not do a 'careless job' checking what contributions Jack Lawrence made, I made it quite clear in the nomination.
And for those who wish to split, are you intending to propose that all categories should be split according to contribution to specific songs. You guys are going to be working on the Lennon-McCartney & Jagger-Richard categories until the end of time . You have got some serious work to do – and not a living soul will benefit.
Comment Sorry to say it again. If anyone huddles together compositions and lyrics authoring that is to be named as *careless*! Which is what the nominator repeatedly has done and even defended as the right thing to do. No, is is not "Keeping all the JL compositions together" as in actual fact a lot of the entries are not at all JL's compositions. What is so difficult to understand or to accept about my veto *Keep to the facts!* ? --
Just N. (
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10:55, 30 June 2021 (UTC)reply
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Split Before I clicked on this, I assumed it was a parent category but it's just mixing things that are separate in other more specific categories. This does not make navigational sense as a non-diffusing category. -
RevelationDirect (
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11:50, 22 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose this change -- Some years ago we stopped having categories for towns, cities and villages, due to the difficulties of defining boundaries: I live in a village of over 6000 people in a county where there are market towns of 2000 people. Instead merge subject and all targets to
Category:Populated places in Salem, Tamil Nadu.
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11:54, 24 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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