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Oppose most -- "Prime Minister" is a title and is only correctly spelt when capitalised. There is only one of them at a time in each country. The analogy with bishops is a bad one as "Bishop of Lichfield" is similarly a unique title, hold by one person at a time; bishops of Liverpool might be correct because there are both Anglican and RC bishops, though I think the RC one is an archbishop.
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Support per nom. The description is not about the title but the function. As Woko Sapien clarified it's not one in a time of high office holder but just a job title, so manual of style. --
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Category:Low-power FM radio stations
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Neutralhomer, not as a unique class of station. I can name off the bat Mexican FMs with ERPs of 4, 5 and 27 watts: two are commercial and one is a tiny noncom that serves a mining village. But the point is that the categorization coincides with a unique US legal classification that isn't quite there in other countries.
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That's what I was wondering. If there were other countries with LPFMs, then yes, it should be renamed. If there weren't, then I didn't think it was necessary. So, in accordance with your answer, Rename per Sammi. -
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Comment Of course there are low power/reach FM radios still in a lot of countries even if a tendency to change into internet radios is rising. Likewise most of them are small local community broadcasters (e.g. campus radios) and unlikely to ever get an article. --
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22:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The main issue is that "low-power FM" is a distinct radio service (with separate rules) only in the United States. Other countries have community radio classifications, but this is different.
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The result of the discussion was:rename. There isn't particularly strong support for deletion, so defaulting to rename as nominated.
✗plicit03:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep and rename per nom. While people under these categories must also be notable for other reasons, it's inevitable that them being a child of their country's head of government will have had contributed to public coverage of them, becoming a defining characteristic at least for some part of their lives. --
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Oppose most -- "Prime Minister" is a title and is only correctly spelt when capitalised. If a person deserves an article and is the child of a head of government, we should allow it and categorise accordingly. If the child is NN, there should be no article, so that it could not be in a category.
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18:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment You're correct about "Prime Minister", but these categories use "Prime Ministers". The manual of style clearly shows that plurals must (almost) always be lowercase. --
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Category:Digital low-power television stations
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Nominator's rationale: The current category is redundant in a US context after all remaining analog TV stations (with 15 remote exceptions in Alaska) were shut down on July 13. It should either be converted to a category for LPTVs (with stations that failed to transition removed) or deleted as redundant if such a category is not desired. Changing the scope to US and removing
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CHMG-DT will create a parallel to
Category:Low-power FM radio stations.
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Support; then sort into state sub-categories like in the LPFM category ("Low-power television stations in Alabama", "Low-power television stations in Alaska", etc.)
Mvcg66b3r (
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17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Also a note: 3,286 of the 4,167 pages in the category are redirects, so there would be fewer than 1,000 pages were these to be removed from the cat. There are likely also some pages that would be added throughout.
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Category:Roman bishops
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Nominator's rationale: They were not all Roman citizens or Roman nationals. But they did serve their episcopacy in the Roman Empire (as opposed to the Persian Empire for example).
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16:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support "by century" per actual category content.Comment on "Roman" versus "in the Roman Empire": the whole tree of
Category:Romans are intended for people of the Roman Republic and Roman Empire.
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Category:1st-century bishops in Greece
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Not quite the same issue. This nom is specifically about in Greece whereas the main tree is Greek. So one might be Greek but not notable as working in Greece.
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08:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose Greece in the Roman period would mean an area larger than Achaea, also including Macedonia and Epirus, as well are places on the west coast of Asia Minor.
Peterkingiron (
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18:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The question really is, would Greece mean anything at all in the Roman period? There had never been a Greek country, only a Greek civilization.
Marcocapelle (
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06:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support we need to categorize by something we can define in a clear way. What is and is not "Greece" in the first century is not clearly definable.
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Category:Neighborhoods in Kathmandu
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not an expert on whether Nepalese categories are expected to follow British or American spelling conventions for the word "neighbo(u)rhood", so I've listed both of the possibilities here, but we can't have Kathmandu using one spelling with Pokhara at the other — either way, they need to both be at the same spelling, so one or the other of these has to be renamed for consistency.
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Category:Sechelt, British Columbia
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a municipality without the volume of spinoff content necessary to warrant an eponymous category. Other than the head article itself, the only other thing here is one school, which is not sufficient.
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15:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Some of your choices of how to populate it were bad ones, including an individual person who happened to live there for a couple of years but wasn't defined by that fact (and people never belong in "City" categories for any place that doesn't have a "People from City" subcategory anyway, so even if he'd been born in Sechelt he still wouldn't belong in this category), a radio station whose community of license is Gibsons and thus isn't defined by Sechelt, a company not based in Sechelt that happens to have previously acquired a defunct company that was based in Sechelt, and a university that has a satellite campus in Sechelt but whose main campus is in North Van (and thus is defined only by North Van, and not by every location where there's a satellite campus that doesn't have its own separate article from the parent institution). There isn't a particularly strong basis for having to keep this at all if you're having to clutch at that many straws to get it to any significant size.
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Thise were just from the first 50 articles that mentioned Sechelt, out of round 1200, and I disagree with some of your comments - a radio station whose main studio is in Sechelt, for example - and this is the first time I've ever heard a rule about people not going into a place category if there isn't a "people from place" subcategory. In any case there are now eight articles in the category, which is more than enough to justify keeping it.
Grutness...wha?23:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The physical location of a radio studio is not a defining characteristic of a radio station — radio stations are defined and categorized by their legal
community of license, which does not actually have to be the same place as the physical location of the studio where the hosts actually sit but is still a more important characteristic than the latter regardless.
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Comment The manual of style clearly states "Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, prime minister, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically." When these positions are written in the plural (as they are in the these categories) they are being used generically, and therefore cannot be referring to any one specific individual.--
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Delete. Textbook
WP:SHAREDNAME. Stan literally means "land", so this as trivial and useless as "countries ending in -land" or "towns ending in -ville" or "place-names beginning with the letter G".
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Oppose most -- "Prime Minister" is a title and is only correctly spelt when capitalised. There is only one of them at a time in each country. The analogy with bishops is a bad one as "Bishop of Lichfield" is similarly a unique title, hold by one person at a time; bishops of Liverpool might be correct because there are both Anglican and RC bishops, though I think the RC one is an archbishop.
Peterkingiron (
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18:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. The description is not about the title but the function. As Woko Sapien clarified it's not one in a time of high office holder but just a job title, so manual of style. --
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21:56, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Low-power FM radio stations
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Neutralhomer, not as a unique class of station. I can name off the bat Mexican FMs with ERPs of 4, 5 and 27 watts: two are commercial and one is a tiny noncom that serves a mining village. But the point is that the categorization coincides with a unique US legal classification that isn't quite there in other countries.
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23:36, 17 July 2021 (UTC)reply
That's what I was wondering. If there were other countries with LPFMs, then yes, it should be renamed. If there weren't, then I didn't think it was necessary. So, in accordance with your answer, Rename per Sammi. -
Neutralhomer •
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Comment Of course there are low power/reach FM radios still in a lot of countries even if a tendency to change into internet radios is rising. Likewise most of them are small local community broadcasters (e.g. campus radios) and unlikely to ever get an article. --
Just N. (
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22:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The main issue is that "low-power FM" is a distinct radio service (with separate rules) only in the United States. Other countries have community radio classifications, but this is different.
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The result of the discussion was:rename. There isn't particularly strong support for deletion, so defaulting to rename as nominated.
✗plicit03:17, 18 August 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep and rename per nom. While people under these categories must also be notable for other reasons, it's inevitable that them being a child of their country's head of government will have had contributed to public coverage of them, becoming a defining characteristic at least for some part of their lives. --
Paul_012 (
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16:47, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose most -- "Prime Minister" is a title and is only correctly spelt when capitalised. If a person deserves an article and is the child of a head of government, we should allow it and categorise accordingly. If the child is NN, there should be no article, so that it could not be in a category.
Peterkingiron (
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18:20, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment You're correct about "Prime Minister", but these categories use "Prime Ministers". The manual of style clearly shows that plurals must (almost) always be lowercase. --
Woko Sapien (
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19:52, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Digital low-power television stations
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Nominator's rationale: The current category is redundant in a US context after all remaining analog TV stations (with 15 remote exceptions in Alaska) were shut down on July 13. It should either be converted to a category for LPTVs (with stations that failed to transition removed) or deleted as redundant if such a category is not desired. Changing the scope to US and removing
CFTV-DT and
CHMG-DT will create a parallel to
Category:Low-power FM radio stations.
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16:47, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support; then sort into state sub-categories like in the LPFM category ("Low-power television stations in Alabama", "Low-power television stations in Alaska", etc.)
Mvcg66b3r (
talk)
17:23, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Also a note: 3,286 of the 4,167 pages in the category are redirects, so there would be fewer than 1,000 pages were these to be removed from the cat. There are likely also some pages that would be added throughout.
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Category:Roman bishops
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Nominator's rationale: They were not all Roman citizens or Roman nationals. But they did serve their episcopacy in the Roman Empire (as opposed to the Persian Empire for example).
Laurel Lodged (
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16:30, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support "by century" per actual category content.Comment on "Roman" versus "in the Roman Empire": the whole tree of
Category:Romans are intended for people of the Roman Republic and Roman Empire.
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Not quite the same issue. This nom is specifically about in Greece whereas the main tree is Greek. So one might be Greek but not notable as working in Greece.
Laurel Lodged (
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08:17, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose Greece in the Roman period would mean an area larger than Achaea, also including Macedonia and Epirus, as well are places on the west coast of Asia Minor.
Peterkingiron (
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18:27, 21 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The question really is, would Greece mean anything at all in the Roman period? There had never been a Greek country, only a Greek civilization.
Marcocapelle (
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06:45, 23 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Support we need to categorize by something we can define in a clear way. What is and is not "Greece" in the first century is not clearly definable.
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19:30, 29 July 2021 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: I'm not an expert on whether Nepalese categories are expected to follow British or American spelling conventions for the word "neighbo(u)rhood", so I've listed both of the possibilities here, but we can't have Kathmandu using one spelling with Pokhara at the other — either way, they need to both be at the same spelling, so one or the other of these has to be renamed for consistency.
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Category:Sechelt, British Columbia
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a municipality without the volume of spinoff content necessary to warrant an eponymous category. Other than the head article itself, the only other thing here is one school, which is not sufficient.
Bearcat (
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15:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Some of your choices of how to populate it were bad ones, including an individual person who happened to live there for a couple of years but wasn't defined by that fact (and people never belong in "City" categories for any place that doesn't have a "People from City" subcategory anyway, so even if he'd been born in Sechelt he still wouldn't belong in this category), a radio station whose community of license is Gibsons and thus isn't defined by Sechelt, a company not based in Sechelt that happens to have previously acquired a defunct company that was based in Sechelt, and a university that has a satellite campus in Sechelt but whose main campus is in North Van (and thus is defined only by North Van, and not by every location where there's a satellite campus that doesn't have its own separate article from the parent institution). There isn't a particularly strong basis for having to keep this at all if you're having to clutch at that many straws to get it to any significant size.
Bearcat (
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15:41, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
Thise were just from the first 50 articles that mentioned Sechelt, out of round 1200, and I disagree with some of your comments - a radio station whose main studio is in Sechelt, for example - and this is the first time I've ever heard a rule about people not going into a place category if there isn't a "people from place" subcategory. In any case there are now eight articles in the category, which is more than enough to justify keeping it.
Grutness...wha?23:45, 16 July 2021 (UTC)reply
The physical location of a radio studio is not a defining characteristic of a radio station — radio stations are defined and categorized by their legal
community of license, which does not actually have to be the same place as the physical location of the studio where the hosts actually sit but is still a more important characteristic than the latter regardless.
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Comment The manual of style clearly states "Offices, titles, and positions such as president, king, emperor, grand duke, lord mayor, pope, bishop, abbot, prime minister, chief financial officer, and executive director are common nouns and therefore should be in lower case when used generically." When these positions are written in the plural (as they are in the these categories) they are being used generically, and therefore cannot be referring to any one specific individual.--
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Delete. Textbook
WP:SHAREDNAME. Stan literally means "land", so this as trivial and useless as "countries ending in -land" or "towns ending in -ville" or "place-names beginning with the letter G".
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