Category:Mythological and religious paintings and Category:Mythological and religious painters
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Note: Of course, but religion in art clearly encompasses mythology as mythology is considered component or aspect of religion per definition. Yeah: don't merge the categories of
Religion and
Mythology, but
Mythological painters and
Religious painters and their paintings can easily be put "under a hat", that converse with the consistency of the respective categories. There is also a special article
Religion and mythology that also relates to that. So, I don't see why the categories of mythological paintings and painters, and the religious painters and paintings cannot be combined.
The Mad Hatter (
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07:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah, let's not categorize all the religion as myth tale like it's stated in this article, but can't we find a middle way? Really. At least a redirection possible? Brothers
Pierre and
Nicolas Mignard are clearly both religious and mythological painters. No, it's not that simple as Apple and Bannana. You know what I mean. They overlap for sure. Really, Mythological in art with paintings and painters and religion in art with the same articles or close ones, just overlap and is just not good. You know what I mean. Other people to take a stand as well would be good? Regards:
The Mad Hatter (
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22:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC) EDIT: Mythology is stated as aspect of
Religion. These categories of Mythology lead for sure apart from Folklore studies to the
Anthropology of religion, while the main article is part of it's own narratives article. So, there should be a redirect much that the mythological painters and paintings are art of religion as well. Something like merge somewhere and gentle redirects for sure. Because, what you pointed about Apples and bananas is just fantastically sarcastic and not to the point. There should be rework for sure. Regards again:
Elan Morin Tedronai (
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It seems to me that the middle way is to categorize painters in two categories if mythology and religion are both clearly applicable, but the combination does not happen so often as you suggested.
Marcocapelle (
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10:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I won't argue anymore. There are administrators, they have to decide. I've just put it in motion. I still think that Amaya and Alcíbar for sure have mythological paintings, so that it can't be said that mythology isn't part of religion, and that mythology painters aren't religious painters in their essence themselves, with their output the same. It is and it'll always be. Yeah: maybe some middle way, but that's all I can do. I can put it in motion and example for the moderators and administrators to think. Kind regards:
Elan Morin Tedronai (
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Keep split -- Some painters may appear in both, but that is no reason to merge. In western art, religious means Christian; mythological refers to legends of Greece and Rome. Some may also have dealt with secular history too.
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16:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Albums produced by The Alchemist (musician)
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Category:Knights of St Patrick
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Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award. I checked several bios and none of them do more than mention its award. The award is notable and already has its own article, but it doesn't seem to be significant to recipients. (
t ·
c) buidhe18:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is getting utterly ridiculous. All British state honours are defining. They are all always used as postnominals by all recipients. If this isn't defining then what is? Also part of a very well-defined category tree covering all honours of the United Kingdom, so makes no sense to start deleting them. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
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13:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
There's nothing in
WP:OCAWARD to suggest that "All British state honours are defining" automatically. It's important that we're even handed and give categories from different countries fair consideration. -
RevelationDirect (
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15:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
A big difference is that British honours carry postnominals that are invariably used and honours like this one carry a title, which is also invariably used. That clearly makes them defining. Far more defining, in fact, than many other categories. I don't agree with the deletion of categories for any state honours, but deleting these is ridiculous. --
Necrothesp (
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08:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. 'several bios and none of them do more than mention its award' seems too small a sample. The conclusion 'doesn't seem to be significant to recipients' should be 'doesn't seem to be significant to recipients biographers' which is not a good reason.
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16:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Buddhist terminology
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Nominator's rationale: merge per
Category:Terminology: Articles belonging to this category and its subcategories are devoted in whole or in large part to a discussion of terminology, usually terminology related to a specific topic. It should not be used as a category for articles about those topics in general; when suitable specific categories don't exist to hold them they should be placed into the root category for that topic until a better categorization presents itself.
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Category:Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2011
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Keep'. LaundryPizza's proposal seems justified. But s/he maybe should do sth for it to fulfil the requirement of 5 entries. --
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08:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Zen centers by US state
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Merge all except the California and New York categories, which are big enough. No prejudice against re-creating if and when individual states have enough articles for their own categories.
Grutness...wha?03:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint Alexander (Bulgaria)
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Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Bulgaria. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
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13:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mythological and religious paintings and Category:Mythological and religious painters
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Note: Of course, but religion in art clearly encompasses mythology as mythology is considered component or aspect of religion per definition. Yeah: don't merge the categories of
Religion and
Mythology, but
Mythological painters and
Religious painters and their paintings can easily be put "under a hat", that converse with the consistency of the respective categories. There is also a special article
Religion and mythology that also relates to that. So, I don't see why the categories of mythological paintings and painters, and the religious painters and paintings cannot be combined.
The Mad Hatter (
talk)
07:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah, let's not categorize all the religion as myth tale like it's stated in this article, but can't we find a middle way? Really. At least a redirection possible? Brothers
Pierre and
Nicolas Mignard are clearly both religious and mythological painters. No, it's not that simple as Apple and Bannana. You know what I mean. They overlap for sure. Really, Mythological in art with paintings and painters and religion in art with the same articles or close ones, just overlap and is just not good. You know what I mean. Other people to take a stand as well would be good? Regards:
The Mad Hatter (
talk)
22:50, 26 April 2021 (UTC) EDIT: Mythology is stated as aspect of
Religion. These categories of Mythology lead for sure apart from Folklore studies to the
Anthropology of religion, while the main article is part of it's own narratives article. So, there should be a redirect much that the mythological painters and paintings are art of religion as well. Something like merge somewhere and gentle redirects for sure. Because, what you pointed about Apples and bananas is just fantastically sarcastic and not to the point. There should be rework for sure. Regards again:
Elan Morin Tedronai (
talk)reply
It seems to me that the middle way is to categorize painters in two categories if mythology and religion are both clearly applicable, but the combination does not happen so often as you suggested.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
10:09, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I won't argue anymore. There are administrators, they have to decide. I've just put it in motion. I still think that Amaya and Alcíbar for sure have mythological paintings, so that it can't be said that mythology isn't part of religion, and that mythology painters aren't religious painters in their essence themselves, with their output the same. It is and it'll always be. Yeah: maybe some middle way, but that's all I can do. I can put it in motion and example for the moderators and administrators to think. Kind regards:
Elan Morin Tedronai (
talk)
Keep split -- Some painters may appear in both, but that is no reason to merge. In western art, religious means Christian; mythological refers to legends of Greece and Rome. Some may also have dealt with secular history too.
Peterkingiron (
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16:45, 2 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Albums produced by The Alchemist (musician)
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Category:Knights of St Patrick
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Nominator's rationale: Nondefining award. I checked several bios and none of them do more than mention its award. The award is notable and already has its own article, but it doesn't seem to be significant to recipients. (
t ·
c) buidhe18:12, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. This is getting utterly ridiculous. All British state honours are defining. They are all always used as postnominals by all recipients. If this isn't defining then what is? Also part of a very well-defined category tree covering all honours of the United Kingdom, so makes no sense to start deleting them. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
13:28, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
There's nothing in
WP:OCAWARD to suggest that "All British state honours are defining" automatically. It's important that we're even handed and give categories from different countries fair consideration. -
RevelationDirect (
talk)
15:21, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
A big difference is that British honours carry postnominals that are invariably used and honours like this one carry a title, which is also invariably used. That clearly makes them defining. Far more defining, in fact, than many other categories. I don't agree with the deletion of categories for any state honours, but deleting these is ridiculous. --
Necrothesp (
talk)
08:48, 30 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. 'several bios and none of them do more than mention its award' seems too small a sample. The conclusion 'doesn't seem to be significant to recipients' should be 'doesn't seem to be significant to recipients biographers' which is not a good reason.
Anthony Staunton (
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16:24, 30 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Buddhist terminology
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Nominator's rationale: merge per
Category:Terminology: Articles belonging to this category and its subcategories are devoted in whole or in large part to a discussion of terminology, usually terminology related to a specific topic. It should not be used as a category for articles about those topics in general; when suitable specific categories don't exist to hold them they should be placed into the root category for that topic until a better categorization presents itself.
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Category:Pakistan submarine accidents
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Category:Lists of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, 2011
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Keep'. LaundryPizza's proposal seems justified. But s/he maybe should do sth for it to fulfil the requirement of 5 entries. --
Just N. (
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08:24, 28 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Zen centers by US state
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Merge all except the California and New York categories, which are big enough. No prejudice against re-creating if and when individual states have enough articles for their own categories.
Grutness...wha?03:20, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint Alexander (Bulgaria)
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Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Bulgaria. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
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13:25, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Redirects to historic names
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