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Nominator's rationale: It wouldn't make sense for a category to be for only random episodes of a show so it would make the most sense for it to be a list of episodes for the show
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Oppose, there is only one list while there are multiple episodes (two articles for a start). No objection to merging to the parent category.
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Category:Films about mobile phones
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Comment Does this nominaton confuse the medium with the message? While the use of telephony may be prominent in the films, is telephony per se the essence of those films? Would it be more accurate to say that telephone instruments were merely instruments to convey messages about deeper truths? The film "French Connection" was notable for its car chases, but was it about chases or cars? Was it not just a cops & robbers thriller that was notable for its car chases?
Laurel Lodged (
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09:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Laurel Lodged, That is redundant as none of The French Connection films are even included in the category and a larger scope can better fit possible or undiscovered films that have a majority of their films dedicated to phones that are not mobile such as landline or fixed phones. The point of these subject based movie categories is to fit films with other films that share related plot characteristics or details. And to prove my point better, there are films in this category currently that does not fit the current scope. Films such as
Phone Booth (film) and
One Missed Call (2003 film) are included when a Phone Booth is not a mobile phone by definition and One Missed Call is mainly about telephones which are not considered mobile phones.
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14:14, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominators may not support their own nomination. Incidentally, a better title, if it is retained, is "films that share related plot characteristics involving telephone instruments".
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All vice presidents categories
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Support - concur with rationale: 'Vice President of Yugoslavia' is a title and should be capitalised, whereas 'vice presidents of Yugoslavia' is not a title. This argument has been used frequently at cfd. As for the hyphens, these should follow usage in the specific country or place, eg
Vice-President of Botswana.
Oculi (
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23:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment am undecided as to the merits of the nomination, but if it proceeds, the inconsistency in the use of hyphens should be eliminated.
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Administrative territorial entities
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Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa)
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Nominator's rationale: This scheme is a bit of a mess. The head category should not be a generic, pluralized category; it should be named after the
Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa). The abbreviation in the subcategories should be expanded. The category for testimony should make it clear that it is for individuals who testified at the commission. The category for committees should be merged to the one for people as there are no articles about TRC Committees and the category contains TRC people.
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
'Comment' I'm not an insider of SA history, but am I wrong about supposing that there were indeed a lot of local/regional Truth and Reconciliation commissions? If so, the article name could be misleading b/c it's not one and only one (central national) TRC which constituted the process. Nevertheless the article (name) would be a sum up of those TRC meetings all over the land? --
Just N. (
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20:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per the nominator. The South African TRC was indeed a singular institution (although it held hearings in different locations). -
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Holocaust denying media
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Support basically per the nom. Anecdotally, holocaust denial is the most frequent term I've run across for this pseudohistory.
Holocaust denial is, unsurprisingly, full of references to holocaust denial and no mentions of holocaust denying; I don't believe this has come about because of a concerted effort by editors to obscure the language. If this proposal fails, I join Good Ol'factory in then recommending that we rename to Holocaust-denying for grammatical reasons.
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03:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose, to me "Holocaust denial books" sounds like books on the subject of Holocaust denial, and Holocaust denial websites sounds like they are tracking incidents of Holocaust denial, or are otherwise about the subject. "Holocaust denying" at least makes it clear that the books and websites themselves are denying the holocaust. Similarly if someone was a "holocaust denial teacher" I'd think they were teaching the subject, whereas a "holocaust denying teacher" is a teacher who denies the holocaust.
Spokoyni (
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20:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I haven't looked into any of this, but just from a word usage perspective, a "Holocaust denial book" sounds like a scholarly text which discusses the topic of Holocaust denial, while "Holocaust denying book" sounds like a book in which the author denies the Holocaust. So I guess the category name should probably be whichever of these the category's members reflect. - jc3718:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Eagle (Russia)
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Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Russia. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
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13:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Significant award that conferred important distinctions on its recipients. There is a very real problem that the criteria for nominating is by reading a few of the biographies listed, rather than any academic understanding of what the awards are and what roles they played in their recipients lives. Our biographies are inherently non-reliable sources, often incomplete and of varying quality. To make judgements based on them regarding 'defining' is
WP:OR, and a serious lack of competence.
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Category:Recipients of the Order of St. Anna
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Delete The articles I clicked through had more Russian biographies than Buidhe's but the result was the same: a passing reference in a list of award with no hint as to why they might have received it. -
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03:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Russia and which ennobled its recipients. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
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13:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Per
Necrothesp, at least until such time as we get rid of all award categories. The fact that receiving the award altered awardees' legal status is significant here. As with the award categories nominated the day before, looking at the Russian language wiki categories shows that the bias toward foreigners isn't real.
Furius (
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18:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Significant award that conferred important distinctions on its recipients. There is a very real problem that the criteria for nominating is by reading a few of the biographies listed, rather than any academic understanding of what the awards are and what roles they played in their recipients lives. Our biographies are inherently non-reliable sources, often incomplete and of varying quality. To make judgements based on them regarding 'defining' is
WP:OR, and a serious lack of competence.
Spokoyni (
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01:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. It's useful and significant to know that the subject of a biography was smiled on by the imperial Russian government. User:Spokoyni makes a very good point about the faulty argument for deletion. --
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ACW Confederate units
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Nominator's rationale: Per
this discussion. More inclusive noun; existing noun "regiments" doesn't adequately cover other unit types like battalions and batteries. I have proposed adding "Confederate" to one or two categories where Union units were raised in the location as well.
BusterD (
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00:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename all - Whole category scheming here needs fixed. Shouldn't be named solely for regiments, as there are non-regiment units in there.
Hog FarmTalk01:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Change proposed renaming Our naming conventions go "X of Y." See
WP:MILMOS#CATNAME, "Intersection categories:" "The names of intersection categories generally follow the same conventions as above, with the name components of their parent categories placed in normal grammatical order (usually with period/war designations given after country/branch ones). This produces, for example, "Naval battles of the Early Modern period" (type and period) and "Airborne regiments of the United States Army in World War II" (type, size, branch, and war)."
Comment: (1) Need to make sure the state and Union/Confederate categories fit into each other properly, so you have state Union/Confederate subcats when the state sent soldiers to both sides that properly fit into the highest level Union & Confederate subcats. (2) Suggest
Category:Units and formations of the Confederate States Army from Alabama, otherwise will not bring in formations - divisions, brigades, corps - as opposed to units and subunits, regiments, battalions and smaller, and, also, 'Military' is superfluous - all units, formations, etc of the CSA from Alabama and everywhere else were inherently military by their nature, covered by the word 'Army'.
Buckshot06(talk)07:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I am super well aware of the numbers there; doesn't make it right, so the second alternative. I am removing 'Military' from categories when cat names need to change on occasion.
Buckshot06(talk)19:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: It wouldn't make sense for a category to be for only random episodes of a show so it would make the most sense for it to be a list of episodes for the show
DemonStalker (
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18:59, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose, there is only one list while there are multiple episodes (two articles for a start). No objection to merging to the parent category.
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12:31, 24 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Films about mobile phones
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Comment Does this nominaton confuse the medium with the message? While the use of telephony may be prominent in the films, is telephony per se the essence of those films? Would it be more accurate to say that telephone instruments were merely instruments to convey messages about deeper truths? The film "French Connection" was notable for its car chases, but was it about chases or cars? Was it not just a cops & robbers thriller that was notable for its car chases?
Laurel Lodged (
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09:17, 24 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Laurel Lodged, That is redundant as none of The French Connection films are even included in the category and a larger scope can better fit possible or undiscovered films that have a majority of their films dedicated to phones that are not mobile such as landline or fixed phones. The point of these subject based movie categories is to fit films with other films that share related plot characteristics or details. And to prove my point better, there are films in this category currently that does not fit the current scope. Films such as
Phone Booth (film) and
One Missed Call (2003 film) are included when a Phone Booth is not a mobile phone by definition and One Missed Call is mainly about telephones which are not considered mobile phones.
ₛₒₘₑBₒdyₐₙyBₒdy₀₅ (
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14:14, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominators may not support their own nomination. Incidentally, a better title, if it is retained, is "films that share related plot characteristics involving telephone instruments".
Laurel Lodged (
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14:22, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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All vice presidents categories
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Support - concur with rationale: 'Vice President of Yugoslavia' is a title and should be capitalised, whereas 'vice presidents of Yugoslavia' is not a title. This argument has been used frequently at cfd. As for the hyphens, these should follow usage in the specific country or place, eg
Vice-President of Botswana.
Oculi (
talk)
23:25, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment am undecided as to the merits of the nomination, but if it proceeds, the inconsistency in the use of hyphens should be eliminated.
Laurel Lodged (
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09:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Administrative territorial entities
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Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa)
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Nominator's rationale: This scheme is a bit of a mess. The head category should not be a generic, pluralized category; it should be named after the
Truth and Reconciliation Commission (South Africa). The abbreviation in the subcategories should be expanded. The category for testimony should make it clear that it is for individuals who testified at the commission. The category for committees should be merged to the one for people as there are no articles about TRC Committees and the category contains TRC people.
Good Ol’factory(talk)03:53, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
'Comment' I'm not an insider of SA history, but am I wrong about supposing that there were indeed a lot of local/regional Truth and Reconciliation commissions? If so, the article name could be misleading b/c it's not one and only one (central national) TRC which constituted the process. Nevertheless the article (name) would be a sum up of those TRC meetings all over the land? --
Just N. (
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20:17, 25 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Support per the nominator. The South African TRC was indeed a singular institution (although it held hearings in different locations). -
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03:30, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Holocaust denying media
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Support basically per the nom. Anecdotally, holocaust denial is the most frequent term I've run across for this pseudohistory.
Holocaust denial is, unsurprisingly, full of references to holocaust denial and no mentions of holocaust denying; I don't believe this has come about because of a concerted effort by editors to obscure the language. If this proposal fails, I join Good Ol'factory in then recommending that we rename to Holocaust-denying for grammatical reasons.
Firefangledfeathers (
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03:35, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Oppose, to me "Holocaust denial books" sounds like books on the subject of Holocaust denial, and Holocaust denial websites sounds like they are tracking incidents of Holocaust denial, or are otherwise about the subject. "Holocaust denying" at least makes it clear that the books and websites themselves are denying the holocaust. Similarly if someone was a "holocaust denial teacher" I'd think they were teaching the subject, whereas a "holocaust denying teacher" is a teacher who denies the holocaust.
Spokoyni (
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20:59, 7 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment - I haven't looked into any of this, but just from a word usage perspective, a "Holocaust denial book" sounds like a scholarly text which discusses the topic of Holocaust denial, while "Holocaust denying book" sounds like a book in which the author denies the Holocaust. So I guess the category name should probably be whichever of these the category's members reflect. - jc3718:44, 9 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the White Eagle (Russia)
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Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Russia. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
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13:32, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Significant award that conferred important distinctions on its recipients. There is a very real problem that the criteria for nominating is by reading a few of the biographies listed, rather than any academic understanding of what the awards are and what roles they played in their recipients lives. Our biographies are inherently non-reliable sources, often incomplete and of varying quality. To make judgements based on them regarding 'defining' is
WP:OR, and a serious lack of competence.
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01:11, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of St. Anna
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Delete The articles I clicked through had more Russian biographies than Buidhe's but the result was the same: a passing reference in a list of award with no hint as to why they might have received it. -
RevelationDirect (
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03:22, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Major state honour usually awarded to citizens of Russia and which ennobled its recipients. Clearly defining. Ludicrous nomination and suggests that some editors are determined to delete all categories for awards. --
Necrothesp (
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13:33, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Per
Necrothesp, at least until such time as we get rid of all award categories. The fact that receiving the award altered awardees' legal status is significant here. As with the award categories nominated the day before, looking at the Russian language wiki categories shows that the bias toward foreigners isn't real.
Furius (
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18:05, 29 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. Significant award that conferred important distinctions on its recipients. There is a very real problem that the criteria for nominating is by reading a few of the biographies listed, rather than any academic understanding of what the awards are and what roles they played in their recipients lives. Our biographies are inherently non-reliable sources, often incomplete and of varying quality. To make judgements based on them regarding 'defining' is
WP:OR, and a serious lack of competence.
Spokoyni (
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01:10, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep. It's useful and significant to know that the subject of a biography was smiled on by the imperial Russian government. User:Spokoyni makes a very good point about the faulty argument for deletion. --
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09:44, 23 May 2021 (UTC)reply
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ACW Confederate units
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Nominator's rationale: Per
this discussion. More inclusive noun; existing noun "regiments" doesn't adequately cover other unit types like battalions and batteries. I have proposed adding "Confederate" to one or two categories where Union units were raised in the location as well.
BusterD (
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00:20, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename all - Whole category scheming here needs fixed. Shouldn't be named solely for regiments, as there are non-regiment units in there.
Hog FarmTalk01:17, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Change proposed renaming Our naming conventions go "X of Y." See
WP:MILMOS#CATNAME, "Intersection categories:" "The names of intersection categories generally follow the same conventions as above, with the name components of their parent categories placed in normal grammatical order (usually with period/war designations given after country/branch ones). This produces, for example, "Naval battles of the Early Modern period" (type and period) and "Airborne regiments of the United States Army in World War II" (type, size, branch, and war)."
Comment: (1) Need to make sure the state and Union/Confederate categories fit into each other properly, so you have state Union/Confederate subcats when the state sent soldiers to both sides that properly fit into the highest level Union & Confederate subcats. (2) Suggest
Category:Units and formations of the Confederate States Army from Alabama, otherwise will not bring in formations - divisions, brigades, corps - as opposed to units and subunits, regiments, battalions and smaller, and, also, 'Military' is superfluous - all units, formations, etc of the CSA from Alabama and everywhere else were inherently military by their nature, covered by the word 'Army'.
Buckshot06(talk)07:46, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I am super well aware of the numbers there; doesn't make it right, so the second alternative. I am removing 'Military' from categories when cat names need to change on occasion.
Buckshot06(talk)19:17, 26 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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