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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category per
WP:OCEPON since only content is appropriately categorized in the subcat
Category:Gemitaiz albums. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Regiments of the Union Army
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Keep -- This is a container where all the subcats concern "regiments".
Peterkingiron (
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Comment: This is (perhaps unclearly) mentioned in the nomination. If you look further down to the subcat contained articles, the page subjects range in size from brigade to regiment to battalion to company to battery. For the record, this morning I made a malformed nomination (from "...regiment" to "...units") of each of these subcats but have temporarily withdrawn it after my malformation was pointed out. The discussion linked in the nom was between myself and two WikiProject:Military History project coordinators, both administrators as well. I made this nomination as a result of that informed discussion.
BusterD (
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Support renaming, as "units" is more accurate for most of the units in the subcats. Subcats need renamed too - they contain battalions, artillery batteries, etc that aren't regiments.
Hog FarmTalk 01:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
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Category:Regiments of the Confederate States Army
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Keep -- This is a container, all of whose content is categories about "regiments", mostly by state but one is cavalry regiments.
Peterkingiron (
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Support renaming, and the subcats need renamed as well. These are used to organize units that are not regiments as well. In the long run, it's much simpler to just rename the categories than to have separate categories for brigades, regiments, battalions, etc.
Hog FarmTalk 01:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
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Category:UK Championships (snooker)
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The result of the discussion was:rename to
Category:UK Championship (snooker). There is no consensus to remove the disambiguator, but based on other similar categories there is no reason for the category to be pluralized.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep (and content to match) -- It is a great surprise to me that no other sport has a "UK championship". Perhaps they do, but have failed to get articles.
Peterkingiron (
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There was a one-off
UK Championship (golf) in 2020, professional wrestling has the
NXT United Kingdom Championship, The
Caterham Seven UK Championship is one of several that exist in motorsport (I've not looked at their notability), and UK championships of various sorts exist in athletics, cube sports (whatever that is), ten pin bowling and others but they all looked non-notable at first glance.
Thryduulf (
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Keep disambiguator, neutral about singularization, without disambiguator the purpose of the category would not be clear enough.
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Purge and merge per nom, redundant category layer.
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Category:Pratyekabuddhas
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only one other article next to the eponymous article. The two articles are directly interlinked already.
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Category:Cinema COTW participants
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Category:Wikipedians who see, but do not necessarily own, pets
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Delete - does not appear to be useful.
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Category:Wikipedians who participate in the Comics Collaboration of the Month
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Speedy delete - (as creator) I removed the cat from the populating userbox. - jc37 20:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedians who participate in the Baseball Article Improvement Drive
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Category:Deaths form the COVID-19 pandemic in Andorra
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Nominator's rationale: misspelled "from" and there are no other categories of this with correct spelling
DemonStalker (
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Support Oh my bad, I didn't even realize it! Although the renaming proposal is still with "form".
Alsoriano97 (
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Support Typo in the title.
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Category:Digital marketing companies in San Francisco, USA
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Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 13:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint Stanislaus
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Delete There's another issue here: these categories are comingling recipients of the related
Order of Saint Stanislaus of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the later
Order of Saint Stanislaus (House of Romanov) of the Russian Empire. (I would actually consider there to be a 3rd award here once it was given out as a private award by the former royal family after the Russian Revolution.) Normally I suggest listification but that's tougher here, especially since the biography articles are often unclear on which award was received. In any case, none of these multiple awards seem defining. -
RevelationDirect (
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Note I was not able to easily separate the category contents into separate lists since it's often unclear which award was won. I copied the current category contents
right here so no work is lost if other editors find this useful starting point. -
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Category:Czech non-sectarian Muslims
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
✗plicit 08:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I would have said merge, but the one article is already in the target.
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Category:Statuary of Ludwig van Beethoven
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The result of the discussion was:speedily rename. The category creator agrees with the proposed move, which follows other moves already made. Although this is not a super-new category, discussion is not really required where these factors have lined up.
BD2412T 04:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All sculptures are statues, but not all statues are sculptures. This category is not a subcategory of Category:Statues, so move does not require any category changes. See parent list of sculptures of Ludwig van Beethoven. --
Another Believer(
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Support—good call, I forgot about the category, should be moved now that the list has been moved.
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Category:People with scoliosis
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Delete, very clearly a non-defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment It is not entirely surprising that scoliosis does not get treated at length in the biographical articles. Per the main article: "Mild scoliosis does not typically cause problems, but more severe cases can affect breathing and movement." The symptoms described in the article cause problems, but they are not typically life threatening. "Pain in the back, shoulders, neck, ribs and buttock", "Respiratory or cardiac problems", "Constipation", "Limited mobility secondary to pain".
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Keep -- Where this is a severe deformity, it is likely to be life-defining.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete per nom. If kept it should however be renamed to sth like Category:People with severe scoliosis. BTW isn't it the same with cases of severe Diabetes ->amputations etc.? --
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Category:People with biliary atresia
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Biliary atresia is a "childhood disease of the liver in which one or more bile ducts are abnormally narrow, blocked, or absent". The only article in the category is
Kendall Ciesemier but
WP:SMALLCAT is not a concern: according to that main article, the rates vary from 1 in 16,700 in the British Isles to 1 in 5,000 in East Asia. So not so common that you'd hear of it a lot, but not so rare that a large population wouldn't have many cases. People today often have several childhood illnesses and many more in the past and Wikipedia is not a medical record for every illness that notable people survive during their lives. -
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Delete, the fact that the category is almost empty is very likely due to the fact that it is too trivial to even be mentioned in public sources.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment RevelationDirect, read further in the article. It is a disease that can cause
liver failure if untreated. The treatment used for the disease is a surgical operation. So the disease would be life-defining only for dead infants who did not receive proper health care. The rest of them survive without lifelong symptoms.
Dimadick (
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Delete per nom. --
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Nominator's rationale: I had proposed this rename
back in 2014, but appear to have struck a bit of a nerve there, as two out of the three oppose !votes were from users who are now permanently banned or blocked for abusive behavior in this topic area; we were unable to reach consensus in that discussion despite the fact I believe my arguments countered all the objections, and few other knowledgeable users chimed in before the discussion was closed. So, the context here is that Serbo-Croatian is the proper English linguistic name of the language, but Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin/Serbian are the official language names. These surnames categorized in here are less tightly linked to any linguistic construct debated since the 19th century, but more to basic cultural origin - there are indeed many surnames that appear among the speakers of most if not all of these languages, and conversely many that only appear in distinct subsets of the whole. (Indeed, there are many names that are also shared with other South Slavic languages like Slovenian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, but it's a bit less common and there are also different ortographies at play there.) It's actually likely that neither the proper linguistic name nor the official languages names were in widespread use at the time most of these surnames were invented, hence the surnames predate any of this linguistic or sociolinguistic terminology. Ultimately, it makes very little difference to English readers to focus on the term "language" in this context, as all five terms will probably be equally as foreign to many of them, but it can be generally interesting to observe patterns between various overlaps and conversely lacks of overlap of some surnames between cultures. The word origin seems to me to be a much more natural categorization method here, and it nicely avoids the whole nationalist-infused debate on which sort of language terminology is used. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 09:26, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
As closer of the previous CFD, I confirm that it should not prejudice this discussion. –
FayenaticLondon 11:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I understand the rationale insofar related to the first four categories, but does it also apply to Serbo-Croatian? That is a pretty established and longstanding language, isn't it?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
We might as well just use that as one more parent category for the other four? Hence acknowledging the basic linguistic grouping while acknowledging cultural grouping. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 13:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There seems to be a consensus to rename, but I am relisting to see which option is preferred – as originally nominated or the alternate offered late in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Support the alternative proposal, regardless of the language these are Bosnian, Croatian etc. surnames. (
t ·
c) buidhe 05:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment -- The language split is not viable, because they all refer to the same language. The only substantial difference between Serbian and Croatian is whether it is written in Latin or Cyrillic script. Whether there is a viable split between them by country of origin seems dubious to me. This would be viable if the surnames are ultimately placenames, but not whether they derive from a personal name.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
This would not be a split by country, but by culture, as noted before. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 17:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Good Olfactory do you think we have consensus at this point? I'm being annoying here because I want to prevent another situation of a pointless stalemate resulting in the bad status quo being maintained. --
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Category:Chairmen of Royal Bank of Scotland Group
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Comment. Alternatively, this could be merged into NatWest Group people. There is no need for a separate sub-category.
Chrisieboy (
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Weak oppose, no need to rush, people in this category are correctly labeled as Chairmen of Royal Bank of Scotland Group, renaming the category can wait until Howard Davies is succeeded.
Marcocapelle (
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I'm not clear why we should wait. The Royal Bank of Scotland Group was renamed NatWest Group on 22 July 2020.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 13:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename but provide a headnote that it includes predecessors including Royal Bank of Scotland, National Provincial, and Westminster Banks. I do not think it is feasible to split a category between the various predecessors. The precedent for Alumni categories is that those for merged or renamed predecessors are included in that for the successor. I would apply that here.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Weak oppose per Marco. --
Just N. (
talk) 19:43, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Actually, NatWest Group comprised the Bank and its subsidiary and associated undertakings (see Report and Accounts 2000). Following acquisition on 6 March 2000, the original NatWest Group was reorganised as part of the enlarged RBS Group (known as National and Commercial Banking Group from 1968 to 1979), which was itself renamed NatWest Group in 2020.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 12:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
In any case, the NatWest Group that was renamed as such in 2020 is something completely different than the Group that existed until 2000.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Not really. At least not for our purposes. Wikipedia is a living encyclopaedia. Categories are not preserved in aspic.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 12:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Categories refer to substance, not to a name. If two organizations have the same name they should be disambiguated, not merged.
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Category:Royal Bank of Scotland people
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The Royal Bank of Scotland is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NatWest Group. The contents of this category relate to the parent company.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 10:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I would not be in favour of splitting the category like that. I think the changes should mirror NatWest Group litigation.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 17:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename but provide a headnote that it includes predecessors including Royal Bank of Scotland, National Provincial, and Westminster Banks. I do not think it is feasible to split a category between the various predecessors. The precedent for Alumni categories is that those for merged or renamed predecessors are included in that for the successor. I would apply that here.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The split isn't meant to be a split between the various predecessors, but between the holding company and the actual bank.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
It is not the case that the category is a mix between the two entities and it would not be possible to separate the contents that way.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 09:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Can somebody please close this and move. There is one support and no remaining opposition.
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Category:Air Link International Aviation College
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Nominator's rationale: There's no point to this category. It's just redundant having only what the college is of and the college itself in this category.
DemonStalker (
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Delete' per nom. --
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous category per
WP:OCEPON since only content is appropriately categorized in the subcat
Category:Gemitaiz albums. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 23:14, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Regiments of the Union Army
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Keep -- This is a container where all the subcats concern "regiments".
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment: This is (perhaps unclearly) mentioned in the nomination. If you look further down to the subcat contained articles, the page subjects range in size from brigade to regiment to battalion to company to battery. For the record, this morning I made a malformed nomination (from "...regiment" to "...units") of each of these subcats but have temporarily withdrawn it after my malformation was pointed out. The discussion linked in the nom was between myself and two WikiProject:Military History project coordinators, both administrators as well. I made this nomination as a result of that informed discussion.
BusterD (
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Support renaming, as "units" is more accurate for most of the units in the subcats. Subcats need renamed too - they contain battalions, artillery batteries, etc that aren't regiments.
Hog FarmTalk 01:09, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
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Category:Regiments of the Confederate States Army
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Keep -- This is a container, all of whose content is categories about "regiments", mostly by state but one is cavalry regiments.
Peterkingiron (
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Support renaming, and the subcats need renamed as well. These are used to organize units that are not regiments as well. In the long run, it's much simpler to just rename the categories than to have separate categories for brigades, regiments, battalions, etc.
Hog FarmTalk 01:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. --
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Category:UK Championships (snooker)
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The result of the discussion was:rename to
Category:UK Championship (snooker). There is no consensus to remove the disambiguator, but based on other similar categories there is no reason for the category to be pluralized.
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:29, 5 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep (and content to match) -- It is a great surprise to me that no other sport has a "UK championship". Perhaps they do, but have failed to get articles.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:12, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
There was a one-off
UK Championship (golf) in 2020, professional wrestling has the
NXT United Kingdom Championship, The
Caterham Seven UK Championship is one of several that exist in motorsport (I've not looked at their notability), and UK championships of various sorts exist in athletics, cube sports (whatever that is), ten pin bowling and others but they all looked non-notable at first glance.
Thryduulf (
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Keep disambiguator, neutral about singularization, without disambiguator the purpose of the category would not be clear enough.
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Purge and merge per nom, redundant category layer.
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Category:Pratyekabuddhas
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Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, only one other article next to the eponymous article. The two articles are directly interlinked already.
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Category:Cinema COTW participants
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Category:Wikipedians who see, but do not necessarily own, pets
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Delete - does not appear to be useful.
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Category:Wikipedians who participate in the Comics Collaboration of the Month
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Speedy delete - (as creator) I removed the cat from the populating userbox. - jc37 20:06, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Wikipedians who participate in the Baseball Article Improvement Drive
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Category:Deaths form the COVID-19 pandemic in Andorra
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Nominator's rationale: misspelled "from" and there are no other categories of this with correct spelling
DemonStalker (
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Support Oh my bad, I didn't even realize it! Although the renaming proposal is still with "form".
Alsoriano97 (
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Support Typo in the title.
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Category:Digital marketing companies in San Francisco, USA
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Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 13:46, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Saint Stanislaus
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Delete There's another issue here: these categories are comingling recipients of the related
Order of Saint Stanislaus of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the later
Order of Saint Stanislaus (House of Romanov) of the Russian Empire. (I would actually consider there to be a 3rd award here once it was given out as a private award by the former royal family after the Russian Revolution.) Normally I suggest listification but that's tougher here, especially since the biography articles are often unclear on which award was received. In any case, none of these multiple awards seem defining. -
RevelationDirect (
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Note I was not able to easily separate the category contents into separate lists since it's often unclear which award was won. I copied the current category contents
right here so no work is lost if other editors find this useful starting point. -
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Category:Czech non-sectarian Muslims
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
✗plicit 08:26, 29 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I would have said merge, but the one article is already in the target.
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Category:Statuary of Ludwig van Beethoven
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The result of the discussion was:speedily rename. The category creator agrees with the proposed move, which follows other moves already made. Although this is not a super-new category, discussion is not really required where these factors have lined up.
BD2412T 04:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: All sculptures are statues, but not all statues are sculptures. This category is not a subcategory of Category:Statues, so move does not require any category changes. See parent list of sculptures of Ludwig van Beethoven. --
Another Believer(
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Support—good call, I forgot about the category, should be moved now that the list has been moved.
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Category:People with scoliosis
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Delete, very clearly a non-defining characteristic.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment It is not entirely surprising that scoliosis does not get treated at length in the biographical articles. Per the main article: "Mild scoliosis does not typically cause problems, but more severe cases can affect breathing and movement." The symptoms described in the article cause problems, but they are not typically life threatening. "Pain in the back, shoulders, neck, ribs and buttock", "Respiratory or cardiac problems", "Constipation", "Limited mobility secondary to pain".
Dimadick (
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Keep -- Where this is a severe deformity, it is likely to be life-defining.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete per nom. If kept it should however be renamed to sth like Category:People with severe scoliosis. BTW isn't it the same with cases of severe Diabetes ->amputations etc.? --
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Category:People with biliary atresia
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Biliary atresia is a "childhood disease of the liver in which one or more bile ducts are abnormally narrow, blocked, or absent". The only article in the category is
Kendall Ciesemier but
WP:SMALLCAT is not a concern: according to that main article, the rates vary from 1 in 16,700 in the British Isles to 1 in 5,000 in East Asia. So not so common that you'd hear of it a lot, but not so rare that a large population wouldn't have many cases. People today often have several childhood illnesses and many more in the past and Wikipedia is not a medical record for every illness that notable people survive during their lives. -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete, the fact that the category is almost empty is very likely due to the fact that it is too trivial to even be mentioned in public sources.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment RevelationDirect, read further in the article. It is a disease that can cause
liver failure if untreated. The treatment used for the disease is a surgical operation. So the disease would be life-defining only for dead infants who did not receive proper health care. The rest of them survive without lifelong symptoms.
Dimadick (
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Delete per nom. --
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South Slavic surname categories
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Nominator's rationale: I had proposed this rename
back in 2014, but appear to have struck a bit of a nerve there, as two out of the three oppose !votes were from users who are now permanently banned or blocked for abusive behavior in this topic area; we were unable to reach consensus in that discussion despite the fact I believe my arguments countered all the objections, and few other knowledgeable users chimed in before the discussion was closed. So, the context here is that Serbo-Croatian is the proper English linguistic name of the language, but Bosnian/Croatian/Montenegrin/Serbian are the official language names. These surnames categorized in here are less tightly linked to any linguistic construct debated since the 19th century, but more to basic cultural origin - there are indeed many surnames that appear among the speakers of most if not all of these languages, and conversely many that only appear in distinct subsets of the whole. (Indeed, there are many names that are also shared with other South Slavic languages like Slovenian, Macedonian, Bulgarian, but it's a bit less common and there are also different ortographies at play there.) It's actually likely that neither the proper linguistic name nor the official languages names were in widespread use at the time most of these surnames were invented, hence the surnames predate any of this linguistic or sociolinguistic terminology. Ultimately, it makes very little difference to English readers to focus on the term "language" in this context, as all five terms will probably be equally as foreign to many of them, but it can be generally interesting to observe patterns between various overlaps and conversely lacks of overlap of some surnames between cultures. The word origin seems to me to be a much more natural categorization method here, and it nicely avoids the whole nationalist-infused debate on which sort of language terminology is used. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 09:26, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
As closer of the previous CFD, I confirm that it should not prejudice this discussion. –
FayenaticLondon 11:04, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
I understand the rationale insofar related to the first four categories, but does it also apply to Serbo-Croatian? That is a pretty established and longstanding language, isn't it?
Marcocapelle (
talk) 19:54, 29 March 2021 (UTC)reply
We might as well just use that as one more parent category for the other four? Hence acknowledging the basic linguistic grouping while acknowledging cultural grouping. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 13:21, 30 March 2021 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: There seems to be a consensus to rename, but I am relisting to see which option is preferred – as originally nominated or the alternate offered late in the discussion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
Good Ol’factory(talk) 02:23, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Support the alternative proposal, regardless of the language these are Bosnian, Croatian etc. surnames. (
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c) buidhe 05:05, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Comment -- The language split is not viable, because they all refer to the same language. The only substantial difference between Serbian and Croatian is whether it is written in Latin or Cyrillic script. Whether there is a viable split between them by country of origin seems dubious to me. This would be viable if the surnames are ultimately placenames, but not whether they derive from a personal name.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 18:01, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
This would not be a split by country, but by culture, as noted before. --
Joy [shallot] (
talk) 17:00, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Good Olfactory do you think we have consensus at this point? I'm being annoying here because I want to prevent another situation of a pointless stalemate resulting in the bad status quo being maintained. --
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Category:Chairmen of Royal Bank of Scotland Group
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Comment. Alternatively, this could be merged into NatWest Group people. There is no need for a separate sub-category.
Chrisieboy (
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Weak oppose, no need to rush, people in this category are correctly labeled as Chairmen of Royal Bank of Scotland Group, renaming the category can wait until Howard Davies is succeeded.
Marcocapelle (
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I'm not clear why we should wait. The Royal Bank of Scotland Group was renamed NatWest Group on 22 July 2020.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 13:14, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename but provide a headnote that it includes predecessors including Royal Bank of Scotland, National Provincial, and Westminster Banks. I do not think it is feasible to split a category between the various predecessors. The precedent for Alumni categories is that those for merged or renamed predecessors are included in that for the successor. I would apply that here.
Peterkingiron (
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Weak oppose per Marco. --
Just N. (
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Actually, NatWest Group comprised the Bank and its subsidiary and associated undertakings (see Report and Accounts 2000). Following acquisition on 6 March 2000, the original NatWest Group was reorganised as part of the enlarged RBS Group (known as National and Commercial Banking Group from 1968 to 1979), which was itself renamed NatWest Group in 2020.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 12:16, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
In any case, the NatWest Group that was renamed as such in 2020 is something completely different than the Group that existed until 2000.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 14:51, 27 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Not really. At least not for our purposes. Wikipedia is a living encyclopaedia. Categories are not preserved in aspic.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 12:25, 6 May 2021 (UTC)reply
Categories refer to substance, not to a name. If two organizations have the same name they should be disambiguated, not merged.
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Category:Royal Bank of Scotland people
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The Royal Bank of Scotland is a wholly-owned subsidiary of NatWest Group. The contents of this category relate to the parent company.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 10:11, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
I would not be in favour of splitting the category like that. I think the changes should mirror NatWest Group litigation.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 17:09, 21 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Rename but provide a headnote that it includes predecessors including Royal Bank of Scotland, National Provincial, and Westminster Banks. I do not think it is feasible to split a category between the various predecessors. The precedent for Alumni categories is that those for merged or renamed predecessors are included in that for the successor. I would apply that here.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:55, 22 April 2021 (UTC)reply
The split isn't meant to be a split between the various predecessors, but between the holding company and the actual bank.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:48, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
It is not the case that the category is a mix between the two entities and it would not be possible to separate the contents that way.
Chrisieboy (
talk) 09:40, 23 April 2021 (UTC)reply
Can somebody please close this and move. There is one support and no remaining opposition.
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Category:Air Link International Aviation College
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Nominator's rationale: There's no point to this category. It's just redundant having only what the college is of and the college itself in this category.
DemonStalker (
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Delete' per nom. --
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