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Rename in line with my comment above. unless WP is taking the position that the one and only capital Prophet is Muhammad. I think the article's title ought to be renamed as well; unless we're up for redirecting
The Savior to
Jesus to please another billion people by adopting their terminology.
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Nominator's rationale:rename and rescope based on a more defining characteristic, and it also leads to a shorter title. Purge articles of people who were not an opponent of Muhammed.
Marcocapelle (
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06:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment 1: surely you mean
Category:Opponents of Muhammad. Comment 2: took a while to figure out the originally intended target population. From what I have understood of the discussions surrounding the main article (still not completely sure though), it is supposed to contain every non-Muslim that was part of Muhammad's history in one way or another. They, however, are not necessarily opponents, such as the Christian Egyptian ruler
Muqawqis. --
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20:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)reply
"Early Islam" may also include the entire period of the Rashidun Caliphate. Besides I have been checking the articles and in quite a few cases the religious conviction of the subject is not mentioned.
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Sahabah in battles
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The result of the discussion was:Rename as nominated without prejudice to a further nomination There are several different issues raised in the debate and dealing with the initial one is the best way forward.
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13:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
If you're not familiar with Islamic history, of course not. But for those who are, it is obvious that participation in those battles is more about the battles themselves; it's about the point in time at which they joined the religion. The Sahaba who fought at Badr hold a special status in Islam for that reason.
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13:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
1) Participation in a battle actually tells very little about the point in time at which they joined Islam (it only tells they joined any time before the battle, resulting in a stretch of 14 years in the case of Badr). 2) What is this special status about? Please refer to reliable sources.
Marcocapelle (
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20:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
2)
Marcocapelle, this was significant for calculating stipends under the
divan system. Consider
this source (PDF)The highest stipends went to those Muslims who had fought at the battle of Badr and progressively smaller amounts were given to those who converted and fought for Islam later.VRtalk21:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also, in light of
BrownHairedGirl's comments it might just make sense to rename them to "Muslims who fought in Battle of Uhud". Changing "Sahaba" to "Muslims" makes it neutral without losing any precision, since the definition of Sahaba includes all Muslims who met the prophet Muhammad.VRtalk21:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Rename in line with my comment above. unless WP is taking the position that the one and only capital Prophet is Muhammad. I think the article's title ought to be renamed as well; unless we're up for redirecting
The Savior to
Jesus to please another billion people by adopting their terminology.
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05:03, 11 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:rename and rescope based on a more defining characteristic, and it also leads to a shorter title. Purge articles of people who were not an opponent of Muhammed.
Marcocapelle (
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06:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment 1: surely you mean
Category:Opponents of Muhammad. Comment 2: took a while to figure out the originally intended target population. From what I have understood of the discussions surrounding the main article (still not completely sure though), it is supposed to contain every non-Muslim that was part of Muhammad's history in one way or another. They, however, are not necessarily opponents, such as the Christian Egyptian ruler
Muqawqis. --
HyperGaruda (
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20:48, 21 September 2020 (UTC)reply
"Early Islam" may also include the entire period of the Rashidun Caliphate. Besides I have been checking the articles and in quite a few cases the religious conviction of the subject is not mentioned.
Marcocapelle (
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21:35, 22 October 2020 (UTC)reply
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Sahabah in battles
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The result of the discussion was:Rename as nominated without prejudice to a further nomination There are several different issues raised in the debate and dealing with the initial one is the best way forward.
Timrollpickering (
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13:51, 26 September 2020 (UTC)reply
If you're not familiar with Islamic history, of course not. But for those who are, it is obvious that participation in those battles is more about the battles themselves; it's about the point in time at which they joined the religion. The Sahaba who fought at Badr hold a special status in Islam for that reason.
M Imtiaz (
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13:56, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
1) Participation in a battle actually tells very little about the point in time at which they joined Islam (it only tells they joined any time before the battle, resulting in a stretch of 14 years in the case of Badr). 2) What is this special status about? Please refer to reliable sources.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
20:16, 4 September 2020 (UTC)reply
2)
Marcocapelle, this was significant for calculating stipends under the
divan system. Consider
this source (PDF)The highest stipends went to those Muslims who had fought at the battle of Badr and progressively smaller amounts were given to those who converted and fought for Islam later.VRtalk21:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom. Also, in light of
BrownHairedGirl's comments it might just make sense to rename them to "Muslims who fought in Battle of Uhud". Changing "Sahaba" to "Muslims" makes it neutral without losing any precision, since the definition of Sahaba includes all Muslims who met the prophet Muhammad.VRtalk21:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)reply
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