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Comment, there is no main article for the valley (just for the river) and we do not have any other valley categories in Ontario. We may consider merging / deletion instead.
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Nominator's rationale: per what should be the head article
Achaeans (Homer). The bare title
Achaeans is a disambiguation page. Alternatively delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only one article. I dunno enough about the topic to know whether it is a reasonable possibility of expansion, or whether such expansion would help.
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Merge per nom, assuming that all content is US-related. The term 'black project' is too ambiguous, also because it is not clear whether it refers to all secret military projects or just the American ones.
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This was created a few years ago as a replacement for a category that did not follow the rules, unfortunately, I was unable to take part in the discussions at that time, and I am not happy with the result, so I'd like to re-visit the topic if I may.
The intention was to create a category that brought together all the historical UK asylum buildingspurpose built between 1830 and ~1910. These being of a similar very distinctive design (actually there were just two design frameworks) and history of creation.
I have three issues with the current title:
Some of these asylums were not intended or used for psychiatric services, but instead were built as asylums for other conditions, such as learning difficulties, or epilepsy. As the buildings were of broadly the same design and age, it seems sensible to include them in this category as the aim is to link the buildings whose function was a place of safety and treatment rather than a condition.
Some of these buildings are also in Wales and others may be in Scotland, Northern Ireland and other UK islands too, so I feel this category should cover the whole of the UK where the building design and broad function is the same.
Alternatively we may consider that there is a need for a 'former psychiatric hospital category' as a separate categorisation.
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Response from Nominator: The original conversation may have been lost when the category was renamed.
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It certainly seems to me like these are two completely different categories. I don't support changing the Former psychiatric hospitals in England category at all, since that implies that it's a psychiatric hospital, in England, no longer in use, whereas the nom seeks to group specific hospitals built during a specific time frame. We already have specific Scotland and Wales categories as well, if any of these hospitals are miscategorised they should be properly re-categorised, so we don't need to upmerge this to the UK.
SportingFlyerT·C17:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: I agree, my only reason for suggesting a change is that I proposed this in the first place in 2008, but my category name and use was subsequently changed by others to not mean my intention.
Ianmurray5 (
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Oppose "asylum" has many meanings other than psychiatric hospitals.
Asylum is a disambiguation page, including churches, orphanages, and all sorts of things...
Carlossuarez46 (
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20:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: I agree my intention was for this to be an architectural style used for a period of time when perhaps 100 UK built asylum (hospital) buildings for psychiatry, learning disabilities, and others were built to one design with wards made from enlarged corridors, and with a later modification of stand-alone large houses or villas. I felt a category encompassing these similar buildings was a sensible addition, regardless of whether still standing, original use or current use. This style of building was not, as far as I am aware, used for churches, or orphanages. These groups of buildings usually included a church, a ballroom, farmland and other outbuildings (stables, blacksmith shops, laundries, etc. and were designed to be a place of safety and treatment for those suffering from a range of illnesses of the mind.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relist, was not properly tagged until today.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac1507:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: Yes, I think that this is the talk written after my creation of this category and subsequently removed/redesigned. I would be happy with a new category with a name that links this type of buildings together in the UK. Scroll down this page to see map images of this type of building.
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Renaming to
Category:assumption (reasoning)? Logic is too strict, and many of the existing subcategories do not belong under
logic, but would under
reasoning. The category was intended to be general/vague and applicable before logic and applies to other domains. For example, a particular framing of a problem for logical analysis - it is the framing that is an assumption outside logic. All the axioms of mathematics (and there can be conflicting ones) are assumptions, but in mathematics and not logic. Every discipline in science makes assumptions about how that discipline furthers knowledge, and epistemology, for example, has questioned whether philosophy has actually done so. The point is that these are much more than logic understood in the narrow sense. Even science itself progresses non-deductively, i.e, by assumptions to be empirically tested. Hence I propose reasoning in the larger sense. PS. The textual content of the category is a bit over long, so what is missing is a related main article such as
assumption (reasoning) or whatever the new name would be - but perhaps that is a problem for another day.
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A
City of Military Glory was a Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. I was about to nominate this category for speedy deletion because we had already deleted it but, unbelievably, I was thinking of a different Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. (That was
Hero City and we deleted the category
here.) Anyway, this award has the same problem: it categorizes cities that have existed for centuries/millennia for a five-year period. A specific war is defining of battlefields, but not typically whole cities. The contents of the category are already lisitifed
here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. -
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Keep. Perfectly acceptable category. You just can't say that something is non-defining because it only applies to something that happened briefly. That's like saying that winning an Oscar is non-defining because it only applies to a brief part of an actor's life. It's preposterous. The Hero Cities category shouldn't have been deleted either; looks like a no consensus result to me. --
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Comment, there is no main article for the valley (just for the river) and we do not have any other valley categories in Ontario. We may consider merging / deletion instead.
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Nominator's rationale: per what should be the head article
Achaeans (Homer). The bare title
Achaeans is a disambiguation page. Alternatively delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, since it contains only one article. I dunno enough about the topic to know whether it is a reasonable possibility of expansion, or whether such expansion would help.
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17:14, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Merge per nom, assuming that all content is US-related. The term 'black project' is too ambiguous, also because it is not clear whether it refers to all secret military projects or just the American ones.
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This was created a few years ago as a replacement for a category that did not follow the rules, unfortunately, I was unable to take part in the discussions at that time, and I am not happy with the result, so I'd like to re-visit the topic if I may.
The intention was to create a category that brought together all the historical UK asylum buildingspurpose built between 1830 and ~1910. These being of a similar very distinctive design (actually there were just two design frameworks) and history of creation.
I have three issues with the current title:
Some of these asylums were not intended or used for psychiatric services, but instead were built as asylums for other conditions, such as learning difficulties, or epilepsy. As the buildings were of broadly the same design and age, it seems sensible to include them in this category as the aim is to link the buildings whose function was a place of safety and treatment rather than a condition.
Some of these buildings are also in Wales and others may be in Scotland, Northern Ireland and other UK islands too, so I feel this category should cover the whole of the UK where the building design and broad function is the same.
Alternatively we may consider that there is a need for a 'former psychiatric hospital category' as a separate categorisation.
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16:05, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment and request: the category is from 2009, that is quite a bit older than "a few years ago". Please provide a link to the discussion that you are unhappy with.
Marcocapelle (
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17:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: The original conversation may have been lost when the category was renamed.
Ianmurray5 (
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It certainly seems to me like these are two completely different categories. I don't support changing the Former psychiatric hospitals in England category at all, since that implies that it's a psychiatric hospital, in England, no longer in use, whereas the nom seeks to group specific hospitals built during a specific time frame. We already have specific Scotland and Wales categories as well, if any of these hospitals are miscategorised they should be properly re-categorised, so we don't need to upmerge this to the UK.
SportingFlyerT·C17:23, 6 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: I agree, my only reason for suggesting a change is that I proposed this in the first place in 2008, but my category name and use was subsequently changed by others to not mean my intention.
Ianmurray5 (
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Oppose "asylum" has many meanings other than psychiatric hospitals.
Asylum is a disambiguation page, including churches, orphanages, and all sorts of things...
Carlossuarez46 (
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20:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: I agree my intention was for this to be an architectural style used for a period of time when perhaps 100 UK built asylum (hospital) buildings for psychiatry, learning disabilities, and others were built to one design with wards made from enlarged corridors, and with a later modification of stand-alone large houses or villas. I felt a category encompassing these similar buildings was a sensible addition, regardless of whether still standing, original use or current use. This style of building was not, as far as I am aware, used for churches, or orphanages. These groups of buildings usually included a church, a ballroom, farmland and other outbuildings (stables, blacksmith shops, laundries, etc. and were designed to be a place of safety and treatment for those suffering from a range of illnesses of the mind.
Ianmurray5 (
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Procedural relist, was not properly tagged until today.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, bibliomaniac1507:27, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Response from Nominator: Yes, I think that this is the talk written after my creation of this category and subsequently removed/redesigned. I would be happy with a new category with a name that links this type of buildings together in the UK. Scroll down this page to see map images of this type of building.
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Renaming to
Category:assumption (reasoning)? Logic is too strict, and many of the existing subcategories do not belong under
logic, but would under
reasoning. The category was intended to be general/vague and applicable before logic and applies to other domains. For example, a particular framing of a problem for logical analysis - it is the framing that is an assumption outside logic. All the axioms of mathematics (and there can be conflicting ones) are assumptions, but in mathematics and not logic. Every discipline in science makes assumptions about how that discipline furthers knowledge, and epistemology, for example, has questioned whether philosophy has actually done so. The point is that these are much more than logic understood in the narrow sense. Even science itself progresses non-deductively, i.e, by assumptions to be empirically tested. Hence I propose reasoning in the larger sense. PS. The textual content of the category is a bit over long, so what is missing is a related main article such as
assumption (reasoning) or whatever the new name would be - but perhaps that is a problem for another day.
Dpleibovitz (
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04:59, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of awards from the United States National Academy of Sciences
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City of Military Glory was a Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. I was about to nominate this category for speedy deletion because we had already deleted it but, unbelievably, I was thinking of a different Soviet award for cities that showed courage during World War II. (That was
Hero City and we deleted the category
here.) Anyway, this award has the same problem: it categorizes cities that have existed for centuries/millennia for a five-year period. A specific war is defining of battlefields, but not typically whole cities. The contents of the category are already lisitifed
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RevelationDirect (
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00:57, 22 June 2020 (UTC)reply
Keep. Perfectly acceptable category. You just can't say that something is non-defining because it only applies to something that happened briefly. That's like saying that winning an Oscar is non-defining because it only applies to a brief part of an actor's life. It's preposterous. The Hero Cities category shouldn't have been deleted either; looks like a no consensus result to me. --
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15:04, 23 June 2020 (UTC)reply
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