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Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones

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Category:20th-century Gambian educators

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge to Category:Gambian educators and Category:20th-century educators. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 05:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only 1. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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Category:Fictional characters involved in incest

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There might be more support for a split to victims and perpetrators, although that may not catch all cases (are Turin and Niniel both victims?). Note: Category:Fictional victims of child abuse already exists, and I have added a link to that one. – Fayenatic London 23:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't see how this is a defining trait or possible to apply consistently. This category has contained everything from in-law sex, characters who married second cousins, child molestation by relative and rape. Who defines what is incest is here? ★Trekker ( talk) 18:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Who defines what is incest is here? I'm sure I'm missing the actual question, but Incest has a known definition. Also, if sources use the term to describe these characters, like Cersei Lannister ( [1]), that also works. No comment on the category. -- Gonnym ( talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Problem is that "what is incest" varies a lot by culture. For example, is cousin marriage (first cousisn, second cousins, first cousisn once removed) incest? In some cultures it is considered to be, in others not. Sex with your sister-in-law is seen as incest in some cultures as well and used to be in places like England too. With step or adopted relatives? With former step or adopted relatives? I also have a major problem with the "involved with" label, to me being molested by an uncle or raped by your father isn't much of involved with. It's like categorizing sexual assault victims with "characters involved with rape". It's totally inappropriate and misinformative. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I was unaware of the category's existence, but I am not convinced by Treker's arguments. What counts as incest should be defined by sourced text in the article, not by seeking some kind of universal cultural standard. Dimadick ( talk) 22:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Problem is that even sources can disagree on stuff like this. You get one source which claims almost anything, that doesn't mean it's the widely accepted opinion among readers/viewers. I know you like to keep almost every category you see Dimadick but the problem with this one is that it's fundamentally POV even from sources. ★Trekker ( talk) 09:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Question, "involved in" sounds rather vague, is it possible to make this more specific? If that is not the case, it may be an additional (weak) reason for deletion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep but perhaps purge of cousin-relationships -- The closeness of the relationship for it to be incest does indeed vary between cultures. However, it should be possible to have a valid category limited to sexual relations between ancestors and descendants but including their siblings, so that uncle/niece and brother/sister would be included. This needs to be set out in a headnote. This a category relating to fiction, so that we know completely, based on what the author wrote. This differs from the real world, where we need to depend on convictions. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Support per WP:NONDEF, meanwhile I checked a number of articles and this hardly ever appears as a defining trait in the lead of the articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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Category:Abby Wambach

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 05:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not enough articles to warrant an eponymous category. WP:OCEPON. 212.135.65.247 ( talk) 15:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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Category:Computer game user templates

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:Computer game user templates

Category:Crocodile Dundee films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Crocodile Dundee As that category was not included in the nomination a reverse merge cannot be processed now but a further renaming could be considered. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 20:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Cat is too small. All content could be better in the main category. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ *Treker: my best guess is that you intend to propose this and all below categories to be merged to some or all of their parent categories. Could you please check all your nominations and indicate the appropriate merge target(s)? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Merge and delete has the same result in these cases so I don't really see how it matters. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
I'm not in favour of any large scale deleting here, I think "Character films" is useful for many well known characters with many films under their belts, just not this major overuse of them. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
      • I'm fully willing to add the correct categories to these pages. It's not that much of a hasle for me, if we just don't use a bot right away it won't be very hard. I understand if you still think it's the wrong choice tho. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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Category:Films featuring Broly

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category is too small and "Featuring X" is not how categories are used. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Black Panther films

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The result of the discussion was: Upmerge Timrollpickering ( Talk) 20:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category is too small. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Kourosh Yaghmaei

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The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added links between the categories. – Fayenatic London 23:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for two (or however many) albums and just the covers for those albums. WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 19:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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January 28

Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:Apple Inc. mobile phones

Category:20th-century Gambian educators

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: dual upmerge to Category:Gambian educators and Category:20th-century educators. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 05:49, 11 February 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only 1. Rathfelder ( talk) 20:57, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Fictional characters involved in incest

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. There might be more support for a split to victims and perpetrators, although that may not catch all cases (are Turin and Niniel both victims?). Note: Category:Fictional victims of child abuse already exists, and I have added a link to that one. – Fayenatic London 23:54, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: I don't see how this is a defining trait or possible to apply consistently. This category has contained everything from in-law sex, characters who married second cousins, child molestation by relative and rape. Who defines what is incest is here? ★Trekker ( talk) 18:55, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Comment: Who defines what is incest is here? I'm sure I'm missing the actual question, but Incest has a known definition. Also, if sources use the term to describe these characters, like Cersei Lannister ( [1]), that also works. No comment on the category. -- Gonnym ( talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Problem is that "what is incest" varies a lot by culture. For example, is cousin marriage (first cousisn, second cousins, first cousisn once removed) incest? In some cultures it is considered to be, in others not. Sex with your sister-in-law is seen as incest in some cultures as well and used to be in places like England too. With step or adopted relatives? With former step or adopted relatives? I also have a major problem with the "involved with" label, to me being molested by an uncle or raped by your father isn't much of involved with. It's like categorizing sexual assault victims with "characters involved with rape". It's totally inappropriate and misinformative. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:12, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep I was unaware of the category's existence, but I am not convinced by Treker's arguments. What counts as incest should be defined by sourced text in the article, not by seeking some kind of universal cultural standard. Dimadick ( talk) 22:44, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
    • Problem is that even sources can disagree on stuff like this. You get one source which claims almost anything, that doesn't mean it's the widely accepted opinion among readers/viewers. I know you like to keep almost every category you see Dimadick but the problem with this one is that it's fundamentally POV even from sources. ★Trekker ( talk) 09:12, 29 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Question, "involved in" sounds rather vague, is it possible to make this more specific? If that is not the case, it may be an additional (weak) reason for deletion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 03:53, 29 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Keep but perhaps purge of cousin-relationships -- The closeness of the relationship for it to be incest does indeed vary between cultures. However, it should be possible to have a valid category limited to sexual relations between ancestors and descendants but including their siblings, so that uncle/niece and brother/sister would be included. This needs to be set out in a headnote. This a category relating to fiction, so that we know completely, based on what the author wrote. This differs from the real world, where we need to depend on convictions. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:49, 30 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • Support per WP:NONDEF, meanwhile I checked a number of articles and this hardly ever appears as a defining trait in the lead of the articles. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Abby Wambach

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) feminist ( talk) 05:46, 11 February 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Not enough articles to warrant an eponymous category. WP:OCEPON. 212.135.65.247 ( talk) 15:25, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Computer game user templates

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 February 9#Category:Computer game user templates

Category:Crocodile Dundee films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Crocodile Dundee As that category was not included in the nomination a reverse merge cannot be processed now but a further renaming could be considered. Timrollpickering ( Talk) 20:02, 23 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Cat is too small. All content could be better in the main category. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:35, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
  • @ *Treker: my best guess is that you intend to propose this and all below categories to be merged to some or all of their parent categories. Could you please check all your nominations and indicate the appropriate merge target(s)? Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:43, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Merge and delete has the same result in these cases so I don't really see how it matters. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:52, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
I'm not in favour of any large scale deleting here, I think "Character films" is useful for many well known characters with many films under their belts, just not this major overuse of them. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
      • I'm fully willing to add the correct categories to these pages. It's not that much of a hasle for me, if we just don't use a bot right away it won't be very hard. I understand if you still think it's the wrong choice tho. ★Trekker ( talk) 19:03, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Films featuring Broly

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 23:32, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category is too small and "Featuring X" is not how categories are used. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:32, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Black Panther films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Upmerge Timrollpickering ( Talk) 20:00, 23 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Category is too small. ★Trekker ( talk) 21:31, 19 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Kourosh Yaghmaei

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. I have added links between the categories. – Fayenatic London 23:28, 20 March 2020 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for two (or however many) albums and just the covers for those albums. WP:OCEPON. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars Talk to me 19:33, 20 January 2020 (UTC) reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MER-C 08:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC) reply

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