February 15
Category:Fictional airborne aircraft carriers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
MER-C
20:16, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional airborne aircraft carriers to Category:Fictional airships
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. Should be merged into Category:Fictional airships and Category:Fictional aircraft carriers. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 20:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support also per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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LGBT and
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
MER-C
17:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ageing and LGBT topics to Category:LGBT and ageing
- Propose renaming Category:Health care and the LGBT community to Category:LGBT and health care
- Propose renaming Category:Multiculturalism and LGBT topics to Category:LGBT and multiculturalism
- Nominator's rationale: rename avoiding the redundant words "topics" and "community", and aligning the format with many siblings in Category:LGBT. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, but would it be better (e.g. for a clearer more precise meaning) to also reword to remove the word "and" - e.g. to Category:Health care of LGBT people? DexDor (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- That could be a possibility too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support But would ask if ageing defining for LGBT? Doesn't everybody age? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- For articles such as LGBT Aging Project both LGBT and aging are defining. DexDor (talk) 19:44, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Historical sanctuaries
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. –
Fayenatic
London
19:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Historical sanctuaries to Category:Historic sites
- Propose merging Category:Historical sanctuaries of Peru to Category:Historic sites in Peru
- Nominator's rationale: manually merge, apart from religious sanctuaries (in a separate subcategory) this is is a case of WP:SHAREDNAME, these are historic sites that happen to have "sanctuary" in the name. Note: most of the content is already otherwise in the target categories, so it's not recommendable to have the merge implemented by the bot. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support bu t if kept, rename to "Historic.." Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sanctuary is not a (historic) site, it is a concept. Just because the concept is under attack it is no reason to cauterize it incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.89.74.7 ( talk) 14:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- The items in this category are sites. Besides I can't see how we can populate a category just about this concept. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Insects acting as insect pest control agents
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering ( Talk) 15:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Clearer name and consistency with, for example, Category:Diptera used as pest control agents. Really, this category (and others) should be deleted/listified because it's often a non-defining characteristic (e.g. for articles such as Mantis, Hornet and Odonata). For info: related 2016 CFD DexDor (talk) 10:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support rename per nom, and - like in the previous discussion - I do not oppose listifying/deletion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:English athletes
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non-admin closure).
Marcocapelle (
talk)
16:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- Propose editting Category:English athletes
- Nominator's rationale: Surely a category cannot be both diffusing and non-diffusing at the same time? Rathfelder ( talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, this is an understandable misunderstanding. Non-diffusing is about the relationship with the (British) parent category, diffusing is about the relationship with the subcategories (by sports). That can happen at the same time. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Can we have some words which make this clearer? Rathfelder ( talk) 12:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- We can copy this discussion to the category talk page if you wish. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- We could, but I'm not sure everyone would understand. Rathfelder ( talk) 15:40, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ Rathfelder: please just go ahead with adding some words to make this clearer and let us then close this discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- done that. I think these categories should be containerised, not just diffused. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Beneficial insects
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a vague category - for example, should it apply to insects that are generally considered pests (e.g. Red imported fire ant), but may also provide some benefit (also some insects are beneficial to humans at one stage of life but a pest at another stage). It's also non-defining in many cases (e.g. Eastern yellowjacket). No other animals (or plants) (e.g. spiders, fish, birds) are categorized for being beneficial. Note: There are alternative categories (such as Category:Pollinator insects) which are less vague and do a better job of grouping similar articles. DexDor (talk) 08:01, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, this is too subjective. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Pretty speciesist, too. As the article says, The concept of beneficial is subjective and only arises in light of desired outcomes from a human perspective. So in the broad sense of the term it should mean beneficial to other animals in general (and as part of an ecosystem, almost all insects would count), and in the narrow sense it's described as subjective. Either way it's a clumsy subject for a category. Grutness... wha? 03:08, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Italian American heavy metal musicians
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- The result of the discussion was: selective merge to Category:American heavy metal musicians or sub-cat, then merge to Category:American people of Italian descent. – Fayenatic London 09:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 9#Various American musicians of x descent cats. Nothing about heavy metal is unique to Italian Americans.
feminist (
talk)
06:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I created that page, since there's a lot of Italian Americans in metal and thought it could help. MetalSword ( talk) 11:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Manually merge to Category:American heavy metal musicians (not by bot) because most articles are already in a subcategory by instrument of Category:American heavy metal musicians. Thereafter the bot can implement the merge to Category:American people of Italian descent. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:02, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Marcocapelle's comments. Dio and co don't need a triple-intersect category like this. Grutness... wha? 03:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:This Movie Sucks! episodes
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Essentially WP:PERFCAT, categorizing films for their having been featured as episodes of a short-lived cult anthology series. This is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these films. Bearcat ( talk) 05:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Serie A de México players
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Serie A and Serie B both covered in Category:Liga Premier de México players JTtheOG ( talk) 01:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, there is no point in keeping this category when nobody bothers about populating it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 21:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 21:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in Province No. 4
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Province has been officially renamed. Her Pegship ( I'm listening) 01:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom, WP:C2D per Gandaki Pradesh. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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February 15
Category:Fictional airborne aircraft carriers
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- The result of the discussion was: merge.
MER-C
20:16, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fictional airborne aircraft carriers to Category:Fictional airships
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NARROWCAT. Should be merged into Category:Fictional airships and Category:Fictional aircraft carriers. ZXCVBNM ( TALK) 20:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support also per WP:SMALLCAT. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:36, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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LGBT and
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- The result of the discussion was: rename.
MER-C
17:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Ageing and LGBT topics to Category:LGBT and ageing
- Propose renaming Category:Health care and the LGBT community to Category:LGBT and health care
- Propose renaming Category:Multiculturalism and LGBT topics to Category:LGBT and multiculturalism
- Nominator's rationale: rename avoiding the redundant words "topics" and "community", and aligning the format with many siblings in Category:LGBT. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:13, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, but would it be better (e.g. for a clearer more precise meaning) to also reword to remove the word "and" - e.g. to Category:Health care of LGBT people? DexDor (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- That could be a possibility too. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support But would ask if ageing defining for LGBT? Doesn't everybody age? Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:21, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- For articles such as LGBT Aging Project both LGBT and aging are defining. DexDor (talk) 19:44, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Historical sanctuaries
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. –
Fayenatic
London
19:31, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Historical sanctuaries to Category:Historic sites
- Propose merging Category:Historical sanctuaries of Peru to Category:Historic sites in Peru
- Nominator's rationale: manually merge, apart from religious sanctuaries (in a separate subcategory) this is is a case of WP:SHAREDNAME, these are historic sites that happen to have "sanctuary" in the name. Note: most of the content is already otherwise in the target categories, so it's not recommendable to have the merge implemented by the bot. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:34, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support bu t if kept, rename to "Historic.." Laurel Lodged ( talk) 18:23, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Sanctuary is not a (historic) site, it is a concept. Just because the concept is under attack it is no reason to cauterize it incorrectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.89.74.7 ( talk) 14:25, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
- The items in this category are sites. Besides I can't see how we can populate a category just about this concept. Marcocapelle ( talk) 08:44, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Insects acting as insect pest control agents
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering ( Talk) 15:27, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Clearer name and consistency with, for example, Category:Diptera used as pest control agents. Really, this category (and others) should be deleted/listified because it's often a non-defining characteristic (e.g. for articles such as Mantis, Hornet and Odonata). For info: related 2016 CFD DexDor (talk) 10:27, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support rename per nom, and - like in the previous discussion - I do not oppose listifying/deletion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 10:45, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:English athletes
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non-admin closure).
Marcocapelle (
talk)
16:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- Propose editting Category:English athletes
- Nominator's rationale: Surely a category cannot be both diffusing and non-diffusing at the same time? Rathfelder ( talk) 09:05, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Comment, this is an understandable misunderstanding. Non-diffusing is about the relationship with the (British) parent category, diffusing is about the relationship with the subcategories (by sports). That can happen at the same time. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:29, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Can we have some words which make this clearer? Rathfelder ( talk) 12:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- We can copy this discussion to the category talk page if you wish. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:36, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- We could, but I'm not sure everyone would understand. Rathfelder ( talk) 15:40, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- @ Rathfelder: please just go ahead with adding some words to make this clearer and let us then close this discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 09:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
- done that. I think these categories should be containerised, not just diffused. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Beneficial insects
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is a vague category - for example, should it apply to insects that are generally considered pests (e.g. Red imported fire ant), but may also provide some benefit (also some insects are beneficial to humans at one stage of life but a pest at another stage). It's also non-defining in many cases (e.g. Eastern yellowjacket). No other animals (or plants) (e.g. spiders, fish, birds) are categorized for being beneficial. Note: There are alternative categories (such as Category:Pollinator insects) which are less vague and do a better job of grouping similar articles. DexDor (talk) 08:01, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, this is too subjective. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Pretty speciesist, too. As the article says, The concept of beneficial is subjective and only arises in light of desired outcomes from a human perspective. So in the broad sense of the term it should mean beneficial to other animals in general (and as part of an ecosystem, almost all insects would count), and in the narrow sense it's described as subjective. Either way it's a clumsy subject for a category. Grutness... wha? 03:08, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Italian American heavy metal musicians
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- The result of the discussion was: selective merge to Category:American heavy metal musicians or sub-cat, then merge to Category:American people of Italian descent. – Fayenatic London 09:14, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per
Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 November 9#Various American musicians of x descent cats. Nothing about heavy metal is unique to Italian Americans.
feminist (
talk)
06:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:06, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I created that page, since there's a lot of Italian Americans in metal and thought it could help. MetalSword ( talk) 11:50, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Manually merge to Category:American heavy metal musicians (not by bot) because most articles are already in a subcategory by instrument of Category:American heavy metal musicians. Thereafter the bot can implement the merge to Category:American people of Italian descent. Marcocapelle ( talk) 14:02, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per Marcocapelle's comments. Dio and co don't need a triple-intersect category like this. Grutness... wha? 03:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:This Movie Sucks! episodes
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Essentially WP:PERFCAT, categorizing films for their having been featured as episodes of a short-lived cult anthology series. This is not a WP:DEFINING characteristic of these films. Bearcat ( talk) 05:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:09, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Serie A de México players
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 17:25, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Serie A and Serie B both covered in Category:Liga Premier de México players JTtheOG ( talk) 01:11, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support, there is no point in keeping this category when nobody bothers about populating it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 15:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 21:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Giant Snowman 21:12, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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Category:Populated places in Province No. 4
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. MER-C 17:41, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Province has been officially renamed. Her Pegship ( I'm listening) 01:08, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support per nom, WP:C2D per Gandaki Pradesh. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:14, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
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