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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 16:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Police association football teams
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Nominator's rationale: Police association football clubs already exists
Red Jay (
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Hmmmmmm... - there seems to be a mix of team and club categories. Which is more appropriate? Are we looking at a deletion or a reverse merge?
Grutness...wha? 03:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Why is this now empty? -- It seems to have been emptied out of process. I would comment that these will be amateur teams (or clubs). Should the category exist?
Peterkingiron (
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Speedy delete - this is {{db-author}}, as Red Jay created it and no-one else has edited it.
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Category:Acting theorists
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus on top category; merge all the small sub-categories. For now, I will leave the American, French and Russian sub-cats (i.e. population 4 or more). –
FayenaticLondon 20:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the parent category and all of its subcategories that include "acting theorists" in their names should be deleted. In the over 10 years this category has existed, there has never been an article or redirect at
Acting theorist,
Acting theorists,
Acting theory or
Acting theories. Without some method in which to define this term via content in a Wikipedia article (whether it be an article itself or a section thereof), having categories for such a subject is unverifiable
WP:OR in its use as a real term. So, as far as it stands at this point with the state of Wikipedia, the term "acting theorist" is at worst made-up and at best undefined.
Steel1943 (
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Upmerge most -- The American category is large enough to keep.
Category:Acting theorists is a strange name and should be renamed somehow. I would suggest that drama/dramatic should appear in the target, but I cannot think quite what.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: I originally considered suggesting a new name with the phrase "
Drama theory" or a variation in it, but it seems evident that subject in
Drama theory is a different subject than what the contents of these categories are supposed to represent.
Steel1943 (
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Category: Dramatic theorists would fit what I was looking for well. I do not think this should be confined to theatre (as suggested below) as films (other than documentaries) are a form of drama.
Peterkingiron (
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Nominator comment: If the parent category is kept or renamed, I do agree that the rest of the subcategories should be up merged per
WP:SMALLCAT.
Steel1943 (
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For the record, that page was created as a redirect to
Theater theory, but there was never anything at that target page. –
FayenaticLondon 22:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: Ok thanks. That's quite odd. Also, do you happen to have an opinion on this subject? Perhaps you can conclude this thread and close it? Cheers, Manifestation (
talk) 15:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete not sure that drama theory is acting theory as one is about the writing and the other is about the players.
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Category:People from Ternate City
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 18:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Male video essayists
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry
WP:SMALLCAT. We don't have any category for
Category:Video essayistsat all, so there's no need to subcategorize them for gender before we even have a general category for the occupation in the first place.
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Category:Media in Evaz
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry
WP:SMALLCAT for one newspaper in a small town. Every town does not automatically need one of these the moment it has one media outlet with a Wikipedia article; it is only valuable if there are at least four or five media outlets to categorize, and otherwise the outlets should just be categorized at the provincial level instead of a one-item city category. The entry is also already in the "published in Fars" category that I've proposed for renaming to "Media in Fars Province" below, so no valuable context will be lost.
Bearcat (
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Support. When I created this (and similar Iranian media categories) it had quite a few more articles, but a lot of radio station articles have been merged since.
Grutness...wha? 03:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Yeah, that makes sense. We have indeed kiboshed a lot of poorly sourced and sometimes even entirely unverifiable articles about radio stations in the past few years.
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Category:Published in Fars
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 18:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Improperly named category. While categories for "Magazines published in X" and/or "Newspapers published in X" may exist, we have no recognized scheme of mixing magazines with newspapers in an undifferentiated "Published in X" tree -- if we aren't splitting magazines and newspapers up into their own magazine or newspaper specific subcategories, then they go in a "Media in X" category, not a "Published in X" category, and even if we wanted to split them up into "magazines" and "newspapers" categories on numerical grounds their parent category would still be "Media in Fars Province" rather than "Published in Fars".
Bearcat (
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Rename per nom To match similar categories.
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The result of the discussion was:revised rename per Bearcat. –
FayenaticLondon 22:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category Television morning shows in Canada and
Category:Television morning shows in the United States. It is entirely correct that the generic name for the type of show this is, in North American English, is "morning show" rather than "breakfast television". Admittedly one of the Canadian ones uses Breakfast Television as its name, but that's actually another reason why this should go forward — it makes the Canadian one look, wrongly, like an
eponymous category for that particular show in isolation rather than a group category for all of them. But the term "television" should still be retained in the category names, because radio stations also have morning shows.
Bearcat (
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Support Bearcat's amendment. There are radio morning shows, too.
Grutness...wha? 03:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename, but per Bearcat's proposal.
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Category:United Kingdom business law
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Oppose - that puts it out of sync with everything in
Category:Law in the United Kingdom, which takes precedence (local). C2C applies to any parent, so there is a clash. Moreover there is no
British law (it's a redirect).
Oculi (
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As I understand it there is no such thing as British Law. Categories in
Category:Law in the United Kingdom do have some "British" categories. However most use United Kingdom.
Rathfelder (
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Oppose per Oculi. Proposed rename is confusing for reasons stated. --
Lquilter (
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Oppose -- There is no such thing as British law. Commerical law tends to be similar, but Scots law is different from English (and Welsh). Northern Irish (and RoI) law is also based on common law and similar to English.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:United States business law
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Oppose - that puts it out of sync with everything in
Category:United States law, which takes precedence (local). C2C applies to any parent, so there is a clash. Moreover there is no
American law (it's a redirect).
Oculi (
talk) 08:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Oculi.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 12:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Oculi. To amplify, the reason there is no "American law" is because there is no sovereign entity named "America". "American" is common casual usage but it would be confusing to reference "American law." --
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 16:46, 17 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Category:Police association football teams
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Nominator's rationale: Police association football clubs already exists
Red Jay (
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Hmmmmmm... - there seems to be a mix of team and club categories. Which is more appropriate? Are we looking at a deletion or a reverse merge?
Grutness...wha? 03:09, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Why is this now empty? -- It seems to have been emptied out of process. I would comment that these will be amateur teams (or clubs). Should the category exist?
Peterkingiron (
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Speedy delete - this is {{db-author}}, as Red Jay created it and no-one else has edited it.
Oculi (
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Category:Acting theorists
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus on top category; merge all the small sub-categories. For now, I will leave the American, French and Russian sub-cats (i.e. population 4 or more). –
FayenaticLondon 20:50, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I'm going to go on a limb here and say that the parent category and all of its subcategories that include "acting theorists" in their names should be deleted. In the over 10 years this category has existed, there has never been an article or redirect at
Acting theorist,
Acting theorists,
Acting theory or
Acting theories. Without some method in which to define this term via content in a Wikipedia article (whether it be an article itself or a section thereof), having categories for such a subject is unverifiable
WP:OR in its use as a real term. So, as far as it stands at this point with the state of Wikipedia, the term "acting theorist" is at worst made-up and at best undefined.
Steel1943 (
talk) 19:13, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Upmerge most -- The American category is large enough to keep.
Category:Acting theorists is a strange name and should be renamed somehow. I would suggest that drama/dramatic should appear in the target, but I cannot think quite what.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:53, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Peterkingiron: I originally considered suggesting a new name with the phrase "
Drama theory" or a variation in it, but it seems evident that subject in
Drama theory is a different subject than what the contents of these categories are supposed to represent.
Steel1943 (
talk) 17:59, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Category: Dramatic theorists would fit what I was looking for well. I do not think this should be confined to theatre (as suggested below) as films (other than documentaries) are a form of drama.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:35, 5 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator comment: If the parent category is kept or renamed, I do agree that the rest of the subcategories should be up merged per
WP:SMALLCAT.
Steel1943 (
talk) 18:03, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
For the record, that page was created as a redirect to
Theater theory, but there was never anything at that target page. –
FayenaticLondon 22:20, 20 April 2020 (UTC)reply
@
Fayenatic london: Ok thanks. That's quite odd. Also, do you happen to have an opinion on this subject? Perhaps you can conclude this thread and close it? Cheers, Manifestation (
talk) 15:44, 23 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Delete not sure that drama theory is acting theory as one is about the writing and the other is about the players.
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 18:21, 11 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry
WP:SMALLCAT. We don't have any category for
Category:Video essayistsat all, so there's no need to subcategorize them for gender before we even have a general category for the occupation in the first place.
Bearcat (
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Nominator's rationale: Single-entry
WP:SMALLCAT for one newspaper in a small town. Every town does not automatically need one of these the moment it has one media outlet with a Wikipedia article; it is only valuable if there are at least four or five media outlets to categorize, and otherwise the outlets should just be categorized at the provincial level instead of a one-item city category. The entry is also already in the "published in Fars" category that I've proposed for renaming to "Media in Fars Province" below, so no valuable context will be lost.
Bearcat (
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Support. When I created this (and similar Iranian media categories) it had quite a few more articles, but a lot of radio station articles have been merged since.
Grutness...wha? 03:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Yeah, that makes sense. We have indeed kiboshed a lot of poorly sourced and sometimes even entirely unverifiable articles about radio stations in the past few years.
Bearcat (
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Category:Published in Fars
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 18:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Improperly named category. While categories for "Magazines published in X" and/or "Newspapers published in X" may exist, we have no recognized scheme of mixing magazines with newspapers in an undifferentiated "Published in X" tree -- if we aren't splitting magazines and newspapers up into their own magazine or newspaper specific subcategories, then they go in a "Media in X" category, not a "Published in X" category, and even if we wanted to split them up into "magazines" and "newspapers" categories on numerical grounds their parent category would still be "Media in Fars Province" rather than "Published in Fars".
Bearcat (
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Rename per nom To match similar categories.
Dimadick (
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The result of the discussion was:revised rename per Bearcat. –
FayenaticLondon 22:12, 20 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename to
Category Television morning shows in Canada and
Category:Television morning shows in the United States. It is entirely correct that the generic name for the type of show this is, in North American English, is "morning show" rather than "breakfast television". Admittedly one of the Canadian ones uses Breakfast Television as its name, but that's actually another reason why this should go forward — it makes the Canadian one look, wrongly, like an
eponymous category for that particular show in isolation rather than a group category for all of them. But the term "television" should still be retained in the category names, because radio stations also have morning shows.
Bearcat (
talk) 15:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Support Bearcat's amendment. There are radio morning shows, too.
Grutness...wha? 03:00, 3 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Rename, but per Bearcat's proposal.
Mdaniels5757 (
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Category:United Kingdom business law
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Oppose - that puts it out of sync with everything in
Category:Law in the United Kingdom, which takes precedence (local). C2C applies to any parent, so there is a clash. Moreover there is no
British law (it's a redirect).
Oculi (
talk) 08:44, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
As I understand it there is no such thing as British Law. Categories in
Category:Law in the United Kingdom do have some "British" categories. However most use United Kingdom.
Rathfelder (
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Oppose per Oculi. Proposed rename is confusing for reasons stated. --
Lquilter (
talk) 15:35, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- There is no such thing as British law. Commerical law tends to be similar, but Scots law is different from English (and Welsh). Northern Irish (and RoI) law is also based on common law and similar to English.
Peterkingiron (
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Oppose - that puts it out of sync with everything in
Category:United States law, which takes precedence (local). C2C applies to any parent, so there is a clash. Moreover there is no
American law (it's a redirect).
Oculi (
talk) 08:49, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Oculi.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof? 12:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
Oppose per Oculi. To amplify, the reason there is no "American law" is because there is no sovereign entity named "America". "American" is common casual usage but it would be confusing to reference "American law." --
Lquilter (
talk) 15:34, 2 April 2020 (UTC)reply
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