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Category:Barnstar award templates
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The result of the discussion was:rename, Option B. There is a consensus to rename, but no consensus on whether to prefer Option A or Option B. So I have closed it as Option B, to retain the status quo of not using the word "WikiProject" ... without prejudice to any further proposal to rename per Option A. Pinging both participants: @
Black Falcon and @
The Nth User. --
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I agree, now that you've pointed it out, that the award part is unnecessary. As for the two options. I think that Option A is better. For Option B, the organization rationale might be unclear (i.e. it might not make immediate sense to someone why Category:Video game barnstar templates isn't a subcategory of Category:Game barnstar templates), but with the WikiProject at the beginning, it should be obvious that the categories aren't parent and child because they're for two separate WikiProjects. Also, Option A is more consistent with the parent categories. Also, I think that for whichever option is chosen, it might be a good idea to have category redirects from the other option.
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Category:Kentucky women basketball players
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Category:Indo-Pacific fauna
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Nominator's rationale: In enwp we normally categorize things in the seas/oceans using non-overlapping categories for the Indian Ocean, Pacific etc (see
Category:Biota by sea or ocean,
Category:Volcanism by ocean and many others). These categories nominated for deletion are for animals found in a region that overlaps part of the Indian Ocean and part of the Pacific (which is an unnecessary complication to the category structure). How is a person creating a new article about, for example, a fish species found off Madagascar, supposed to know that it should go in this category (as well as the Indian Ocean category)? Note: Until recently these categories were putting a Hawaii category under an Indian Ocean category .
If not deleted then these categories should be renamed because in enwp fauna-by-location categories are normally named "Fauna of Foo" (e.g. "Fauna of Africa" not "African Fauna"). DexDor(talk)17:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
- Every species listed in the category has a range of presence +/- equivalent to the Indo-Pacific natural region... therefore what is the advantage in splitting it into two separate categories. (i.e. "Indian" & "Pacific")?
- The "Fauna of the Indian Ocean" cat. not being eligible as a sub-category of the "Indo-Pacific fauna" cat. has nothing to do with whether or not the latter should be maintained, either. --
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Category:Ethnic groups in USA
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Nominator's rationale:merge/delete, these categories were created without checking whether appropriate categories already exist. There is actually a whole tree under
Category:Lithuanian American. Besides the abbreviation "USA" in the category name is not appropriate.
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13:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Medieval Iraqi people
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Nominator's rationale: merge, although Iraq or Arab Iraq is an old name for the region, there was no independent polity called so in the Middle Ages. It was part of the Abbasid Caliphate from 750 to 1258, and as the Abbasid Caliphate was in a process of disintegration, it roughly coincided with the current area of Iraq after the 10th century. There is certainly no reason to keep two category trees next to each other.
Marcocapelle (
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07:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
That is a very good comment. But let's complete the discussion about the merge first and then I will nominate the Abbasid people categories in a few weeks from now.
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20:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Coptic Christians (diaspora)
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Nominator's rationale: merge, only few diaspora Copts are specifically known for being Christian. The Coptic descent categories by nationality should suffice.
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Category:Coiners
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Support -- coiner may refer to a person who makes coins (mainly hammered coins) or a counterfeiter. However the category seems to be about designers.
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19:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Support but a new category is also needed for the makers of coins - we should have an overall article but we have
Münzmeister,
Master of the Mint and
Warden of the Mint, and probably many others (yes
Moneyer is hiding away). These were very important positions in ancient Rome (where coiners like
Gnaeus Lucretius got their portraits on coins before politicians did) and medieval Europe (when their names were often carried), followed by a phase when some artists also made the coins (but others didn't), then by the modern way when the roles are normally completely distinct. These categories seem rather plagued by parallel trees for "coinage" and "currency", which only meet at intervals..... So we have
Category:Currency designers & many subs, much of which should perhaps be moved over. I've rarely seen a messier set of categories, when you lift a few stones. I have set up
Category:Moneyers of ancient Rome as a start.
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19:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Barnstar award templates
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The result of the discussion was:rename, Option B. There is a consensus to rename, but no consensus on whether to prefer Option A or Option B. So I have closed it as Option B, to retain the status quo of not using the word "WikiProject" ... without prejudice to any further proposal to rename per Option A. Pinging both participants: @
Black Falcon and @
The Nth User. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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04:36, 15 March 2019 (UTC)reply
I agree, now that you've pointed it out, that the award part is unnecessary. As for the two options. I think that Option A is better. For Option B, the organization rationale might be unclear (i.e. it might not make immediate sense to someone why Category:Video game barnstar templates isn't a subcategory of Category:Game barnstar templates), but with the WikiProject at the beginning, it should be obvious that the categories aren't parent and child because they're for two separate WikiProjects. Also, Option A is more consistent with the parent categories. Also, I think that for whichever option is chosen, it might be a good idea to have category redirects from the other option.
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Category:Kentucky women basketball players
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Category:Indo-Pacific fauna
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Nominator's rationale: In enwp we normally categorize things in the seas/oceans using non-overlapping categories for the Indian Ocean, Pacific etc (see
Category:Biota by sea or ocean,
Category:Volcanism by ocean and many others). These categories nominated for deletion are for animals found in a region that overlaps part of the Indian Ocean and part of the Pacific (which is an unnecessary complication to the category structure). How is a person creating a new article about, for example, a fish species found off Madagascar, supposed to know that it should go in this category (as well as the Indian Ocean category)? Note: Until recently these categories were putting a Hawaii category under an Indian Ocean category .
If not deleted then these categories should be renamed because in enwp fauna-by-location categories are normally named "Fauna of Foo" (e.g. "Fauna of Africa" not "African Fauna"). DexDor(talk)17:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
- Every species listed in the category has a range of presence +/- equivalent to the Indo-Pacific natural region... therefore what is the advantage in splitting it into two separate categories. (i.e. "Indian" & "Pacific")?
- The "Fauna of the Indian Ocean" cat. not being eligible as a sub-category of the "Indo-Pacific fauna" cat. has nothing to do with whether or not the latter should be maintained, either. --
Couiros22 (
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17:20, 18 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ethnic groups in USA
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Nominator's rationale:merge/delete, these categories were created without checking whether appropriate categories already exist. There is actually a whole tree under
Category:Lithuanian American. Besides the abbreviation "USA" in the category name is not appropriate.
Marcocapelle (
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13:00, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Medieval Iraqi people
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Nominator's rationale: merge, although Iraq or Arab Iraq is an old name for the region, there was no independent polity called so in the Middle Ages. It was part of the Abbasid Caliphate from 750 to 1258, and as the Abbasid Caliphate was in a process of disintegration, it roughly coincided with the current area of Iraq after the 10th century. There is certainly no reason to keep two category trees next to each other.
Marcocapelle (
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07:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
That is a very good comment. But let's complete the discussion about the merge first and then I will nominate the Abbasid people categories in a few weeks from now.
Marcocapelle (
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20:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Coptic Christians (diaspora)
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Nominator's rationale: merge, only few diaspora Copts are specifically known for being Christian. The Coptic descent categories by nationality should suffice.
Marcocapelle (
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07:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Coiners
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Support -- coiner may refer to a person who makes coins (mainly hammered coins) or a counterfeiter. However the category seems to be about designers.
Peterkingiron (
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19:29, 10 February 2019 (UTC)reply
Support but a new category is also needed for the makers of coins - we should have an overall article but we have
Münzmeister,
Master of the Mint and
Warden of the Mint, and probably many others (yes
Moneyer is hiding away). These were very important positions in ancient Rome (where coiners like
Gnaeus Lucretius got their portraits on coins before politicians did) and medieval Europe (when their names were often carried), followed by a phase when some artists also made the coins (but others didn't), then by the modern way when the roles are normally completely distinct. These categories seem rather plagued by parallel trees for "coinage" and "currency", which only meet at intervals..... So we have
Category:Currency designers & many subs, much of which should perhaps be moved over. I've rarely seen a messier set of categories, when you lift a few stones. I have set up
Category:Moneyers of ancient Rome as a start.
Johnbod (
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19:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)reply
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