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Delete Rape Day isn't even a valid game for this, as it was removed from the Steam store earlier this year and has apparently just been abandoned since. At least, there is not recent source claiming the game is still expected to be released in any form in 2019. ~
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Category:Rivière des Prairies
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a relatively minor river, which is really just a channel/tributary of other larger rivers rather than a genuinely important river in its own right. Of the 14 entries here, 10 are bridges that happen to cross it and an 11th is a list of those bridges -- and after that, what's left is the eponym itself, one power generating station and a cluster of very small islands whose main basis for notability has less to do with existing as islands (which could have been covered off by just naming them in
Hochelaga Archipelago) and more to do with having once been incorporated as a town. So categorizing these things for a relatively minor river that they happen to be associated with isn't really all that useful -- there are literally millions of rivers in the world that would have to have eponymous categories if "there are notable things on, near or in it" were all it took to justify one.
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Keep There are six entries here, not two. Please do no assume that your AfD powers are so great that other editors have no input to the process.
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Nominator's rationale: I'm seeking feedback on the validity of this category, created in the last day and of which I learned when it was attached to
Faroese cuisine. We call modern peoples Germanic when they are the biological descendants of early Germanic tribes, the original Germans. We call languages Germanic when we trace their development back to a single theoretical language that we call proto-Germanic. "Germanic cuisine" implies foods that can be traced back to a German proto-cuisine, in the way that Hawaiian pizza, as different as it is from anything prepared in Italy, can be traced back to the Italian proto-pizza. But are there such foods? I doubt that all foods that modern Swedes eat (
Flying Jacob? with bananas and Heinz chili sauce?) trace their roots back to early Germans.
User:Krakkos placed under this category the cuisines of various countries primarily populated by people of Germanic ethnicities, and placed the category itself under
Category:Cuisine by ethnicity, but, to me, the idea that foods eaten by people in Sweden and Denmark and Liechtenstein and the Netherlands are "Germanic" foods, even if invented many centuries after there was no longer a Germanic people and with no connection to foods eaten by early Germanic peoples, seems spurious and not meaningful or helpful.
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Support, per nom & Marcocapelle. Krakkos has unfortunately been celebrating Yule by creating a whole swathe of dubious Germanic categories, in particular the subcats of yesterday's new
Category:Early Germanic culture (including a "cusine" one), as usual dismantling better structures as he goes. Others will need sorting.
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12:22, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, Marcocapelle & Johnbod. Germanic is not an ethnicity, it is a language family, and the intersection of cuisine and language family is not notable.
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This category shoukd not be recategorised - there are a number of new Wikipedia Pages currently being developed. a Frozen State Pension applies to 500,000 UK pensioners who live outside of the UK,so to recategorise wouod be a total misnomer. I am not sure what the misplaced dissertation is, so perhaps you could qualify this. i would ask for some time and patience which would allow this Category to be supported by more Wikipedia Pages. Thanks.
The Retiree (
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01:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
If kept, rename to
Category:Frozen UK State Pension. The situation arises where a pensioner emigrates to a certain countries where there is no mutual agreement with the destination country for annual uprating. The present content is a main article; a case objecting to freezing; and a campaigner against it. There may be scope for populating it better; and the case and campaigner will not fit well in the parent: so weak keep.
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23:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
There will be 40-50 Wikipedia pages that will be tagged with this Category. Currently, I have 6 pages in my Sandbox that are in the final stages of development. There are also some Wikipedia pages that need updating, and then tagged with this Category. There are over 500,000 UK pensioners who live in over 100 countries who are impacted by the UK’s Frozen State Pension. The UK is the only OECD country that has this policy. If Wikipedia users (and potential donors) were to google this, they would probably type “frozen state pension wiki” - they wouldn’t type “frozen state pension (UK) wiki”. In summary, I would definitely like to keep it, but rename it if you must.
The Retiree (
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16:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Reply to previous comment: regardless of whether people use google or the Wikipedia searchbar, they will arrive at the article instead of the category, so adding the disambiguator in the category name is irrelevant for that. Adding the disambiguator in the category name is safer in case editors categorize by means of e.g. Hotcat, without checking that
Frozen state pension is exclusively about the UK. In fact I would not mind adding the disambiguator to the article title as well.
Marcocapelle (
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09:33, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Further comment -- I accept that this is rather too small a category at present. However are we sure that no other country pursues a similar policy? I understood that UK did not apply this policy where the destination country had a reciprocal arrangement. I suspect this all goes back to a period when most people collected their pension in cash from a Post Office, so that UK had for example to use the Australian Post Office as its agent and vice versa.
Peterkingiron (
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17:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you very much - this will allow me time to develop and publish a number of other Wikipedia pages that will have this category appended to them.
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Category:Canadian film directors of Pakistani descent
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Comment - The American category has 5 which is normally considered enough to keep; the British one has 4 (almost enough); only the Canadian one is well short of that. If deleted merge also to
Category:Film directors of Pakistani descent, which should therefore be kept and have the (native) Pakistani category added. My view is that a triple, even quadruple, intersection is worth having if it can be adequately populated. Second or third generation Pakistanis are likely to retain their Pakistani (and Muslim) heritage and approach filming with that cultural background.
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16:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Film directors are defined by their nationality, not by their ethnic background. Per
WP:CATEGRS, to justify a category like this it would have to be necessary to write an actual article about
Filmmakers of Pakistani descent that covered what made their work collectively distinctive and unique as a group, supported by
reliable source coverage and analysis about it.
Bearcat (
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13:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The people may already be in appropriate subcategories, such as
Category:Canadian documentary film directors or
Category:Scottish film directors, which would render the parent category into unwanted duplicate categorization. Obviously some care should be taken to ensure that the few stragglers don't get stranded, but a comprehensive "upmerge all to '[American/British/Canadian] film directors' alongside the ethnic parent category" is not needed.
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13:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom and
WP:OCEGRS. Re: duel merge issue, I'm pretty convinced that articles would already be in another Canadian film directors category (and
WP:GHETTO says that they should be), but a check could not harm.
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Category:Biting insects
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Nominator's rationale: There are several problems with this category - (1) It appears (e.g. by being placed under
Category:Insects and humans) that this category is specifically for insects that bite humans, but that isn't clear from the category's name. (2) Many of these insects (e.g.
Mosquitos) don't actually
bite humans (although some do pierce the skin). (3) This isn't part of a wider "Biting animals" category structure. (4) However this category is defined it's likely that the 85 articles currently in it are a tiny fraction of the articles that would be eligible to be in it. Articles about insects are well categorized by their genus etc (i.e. below flies, moths, bees etc) so categories like this are unnecessary. Note: It may be appropriate to move some articles in this category to
Category:Pest insects. DexDor(talk)11:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
This and other subcategories of pest insects were intended for articles where it was mentioned that the insect is a pest and for some explicit reason. (Ideally, there wouldn't be any articles under Pest insects, there should always be some reason in the article why it is considered a pest.) Some articles explicitly state the insect bites. For example, "Bed bugs are a type of insect that feed on human blood, usually at night. Their bites can result in a number of health impacts..." Therefore, I think the answers to the above are, 1) Yes, though actually it was created under
Category:Pest insects. 2) If the insect does not bite humans, livestock, or pets or the bite is not what makes people consider it a pest, then it should not be in this category. 3) It is under
Category:Pest insects, which is under
Category:Insects and humans. 4) If it were renamed "Insects with bites painful or dangerous to humans" then a more limited number of articles would belong in it. That might be too long a name for a category. I agree it is problematic that some of these insects are categorized here merely because they bite. I wouldn't see any value in that. Every article in this category should be identified explicitly in the article as being a pest and it should state something about it biting humans, livestock, or pets. --
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15:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
I don’t have any real knowledge of the subject. The perception of an insect as a pest is not based on the morphology of the insect, it’s an interaction. I’m not qualified to say if an insect bites. The article says it. If the article says the insect bites, the article can be so categorized. Sorry, I know that’s not helpful. -Brambleshire (on mobile)
Delete for all of the reasons already discussed and more.... For example,
German cockroaches are not known for biting humans - and yet I can assure you that they do indeed bite or chew/feed on sleeping children. And I'm sure there are many other insects that will at times bite humans, even though they may not be known for that. In fact, I suspect it might actually make more sense to have a category for non-biting insects! Just sayin'...
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12:10, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. There are many insects that may sometimes bite humans as a defense mechanism. The ones that we usually consider as "biting" feed on human blood. There is a category
Category:Hematophages (underpopulated, with relevant articles in the parent
Category:Haematophagy). I'm not sure that hematophages is the right route to go though; perhaps there should be a subcategory for hematophagous insects that feed on humans. But most hematophagous insects are generalists and feed primarily on non-human animals, with incidental feeding on humans. Few insects are specialists evolved to feed on humans (
one louse species,
bedbugs, maybe
human flea, that's about it). Some hematophagous insects may have increased medical significance as
Category:Insect vectors of human pathogens. Hematophagous insects that feed on livestock may belong in
Category:Agricultural pest insects, although all existing members of the category appear to be pests of crops. I'm not sure whether diet (hematophagy, herbivory, intestinal parasite) could be a DEFINING characterisitic of an animal, but very few animals are currently categorized by diet, so I'm not inclined to be in favor of developing any categories for human hematophages.
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Category:Veritas (political party) politicians
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary and tautologous disambiguation. None of the other uses at
Veritas (disambiguation) is likely to be mistaken for a political party.
It has been stated that "it is customary to retain the dab in category names" but I have never found any naming policy to support this, despite asking for directions.
Opera hat (
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01:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
If this "naming policy" is so well-established, then why isn't it included in the guidelines at
Wikipedia:Category names? WP:Category names says that standard
WP:Naming conventions apply, and these include naturalness (the current title is ludicrously unnatural), precision (titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the [category], but should be no more precise than that) and conciseness (The title is no longer than necessary to identify the [category]'s subject and distinguish it from other [categories]). All of this is English Wikipedia policy. A custom that parenthetical disambiguation that is necessary for an article title, as in
Veritas (political party), should be carried over to a category where it is unnecessary, like
Category:Veritas (political party) politicians, is not policy.
Opera hat (
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01:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom -- The article has to be at
Veritas (political party), because Veritas (Latin for truth) potentially has other uses. However there is no reason why the disambiguator has to be carried into the politicians category, as only a political party will have politicians. We have Birmingham categories at Birmingham, West Midlands, so that Birmingham, AL articles are not added by mistake, though the article is at
Birmingham. This is the converse situation, where a disambiguator is unnecessary for the category, though needed for the article. The party only existed for about 10 years as a splinter of a small party, so that its further population is unlikely.
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Category:Diplomatic missions in Liverpool
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The result of the discussion was:merge for now. Consensus is that this category shouldn't exist. If coverage improves of this subject, then Peterkingiron's alternative then recreation should be considered.
MER-C03:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment --
this page lists over a dozen consulates in Liverpool. No country would have an embassy there, because these are almost invariably in the capital. WP includes consulates in diplomatic missions, but they are not concerned in diplomacy but in helping their citizens deal with the authorities in the host country and (for example) merchants from the host country deal with their own. There may be scope for renaming to
Category:Consulates in Liverpool and seeking to populate it, but often consular service is provided by an individual (Honorary consul or vice-consul) from an office that also performs other functions, so that I am not sure of the merits of encouraging such articles. WP is not supposed to be a directory, but the parent of the page cited suggests that a consulates tree could spawn dozens of not very useful articles for UK alone.
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16:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep As a major port (both for trade and because there is a resident population) Liverpool has historically had a large number of consulates. So have Bristol, Newcastle and a few other similar ports. The idea of "only one article" (seriously?) as a definition is nonsense, because the population of this cat should be based on what exists, not on what WP has articles on. Also it would be quite reasonable to create these consulate articles quickly, as redirects to a section within the national embassy articles.
Comment -- I changed my vote to delete, because it appeared unlikely that other articles would be created to populate this adequately. Part of the problem is that we have
List of diplomatic missions in the United Kingdom and similar lists for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but none for England. The reason for this is no doubt that the English list (and a related category) would be swamped by Embassies and High Commissions in London. As pointed out there are consulates or consulates-general in many cities, but perhaps not enough in any one city to merit a category. Perhaps I might offer an alternative option of renaming to give it a wider scope to
Category:Consulates in England or
Category:Consulates in provincial England. The latter is intended to exclude London, though I doubt there will be consulates in London, because consular business in and around London will be done from the main diplomatic mission.
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Nominator's flip-flop: The two articles that aren't TV shows are adequetly categorized and the TV shows have their own category. I'm changing my vote to delete.
Fuddle (
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23:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)reply
We'd be establishing a precedent, not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't think there are any Category:[genre] television series set in [place]. Are we heading towards
WP:SMALLCAT?
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Delete Rape Day isn't even a valid game for this, as it was removed from the Steam store earlier this year and has apparently just been abandoned since. At least, there is not recent source claiming the game is still expected to be released in any form in 2019. ~
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Category:Rivière des Prairies
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous category for a relatively minor river, which is really just a channel/tributary of other larger rivers rather than a genuinely important river in its own right. Of the 14 entries here, 10 are bridges that happen to cross it and an 11th is a list of those bridges -- and after that, what's left is the eponym itself, one power generating station and a cluster of very small islands whose main basis for notability has less to do with existing as islands (which could have been covered off by just naming them in
Hochelaga Archipelago) and more to do with having once been incorporated as a town. So categorizing these things for a relatively minor river that they happen to be associated with isn't really all that useful -- there are literally millions of rivers in the world that would have to have eponymous categories if "there are notable things on, near or in it" were all it took to justify one.
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Keep There are six entries here, not two. Please do no assume that your AfD powers are so great that other editors have no input to the process.
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Nominator's rationale: I'm seeking feedback on the validity of this category, created in the last day and of which I learned when it was attached to
Faroese cuisine. We call modern peoples Germanic when they are the biological descendants of early Germanic tribes, the original Germans. We call languages Germanic when we trace their development back to a single theoretical language that we call proto-Germanic. "Germanic cuisine" implies foods that can be traced back to a German proto-cuisine, in the way that Hawaiian pizza, as different as it is from anything prepared in Italy, can be traced back to the Italian proto-pizza. But are there such foods? I doubt that all foods that modern Swedes eat (
Flying Jacob? with bananas and Heinz chili sauce?) trace their roots back to early Germans.
User:Krakkos placed under this category the cuisines of various countries primarily populated by people of Germanic ethnicities, and placed the category itself under
Category:Cuisine by ethnicity, but, to me, the idea that foods eaten by people in Sweden and Denmark and Liechtenstein and the Netherlands are "Germanic" foods, even if invented many centuries after there was no longer a Germanic people and with no connection to foods eaten by early Germanic peoples, seems spurious and not meaningful or helpful.
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Support, per nom & Marcocapelle. Krakkos has unfortunately been celebrating Yule by creating a whole swathe of dubious Germanic categories, in particular the subcats of yesterday's new
Category:Early Germanic culture (including a "cusine" one), as usual dismantling better structures as he goes. Others will need sorting.
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12:22, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom, Marcocapelle & Johnbod. Germanic is not an ethnicity, it is a language family, and the intersection of cuisine and language family is not notable.
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This category shoukd not be recategorised - there are a number of new Wikipedia Pages currently being developed. a Frozen State Pension applies to 500,000 UK pensioners who live outside of the UK,so to recategorise wouod be a total misnomer. I am not sure what the misplaced dissertation is, so perhaps you could qualify this. i would ask for some time and patience which would allow this Category to be supported by more Wikipedia Pages. Thanks.
The Retiree (
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01:14, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
If kept, rename to
Category:Frozen UK State Pension. The situation arises where a pensioner emigrates to a certain countries where there is no mutual agreement with the destination country for annual uprating. The present content is a main article; a case objecting to freezing; and a campaigner against it. There may be scope for populating it better; and the case and campaigner will not fit well in the parent: so weak keep.
Peterkingiron (
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23:07, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
There will be 40-50 Wikipedia pages that will be tagged with this Category. Currently, I have 6 pages in my Sandbox that are in the final stages of development. There are also some Wikipedia pages that need updating, and then tagged with this Category. There are over 500,000 UK pensioners who live in over 100 countries who are impacted by the UK’s Frozen State Pension. The UK is the only OECD country that has this policy. If Wikipedia users (and potential donors) were to google this, they would probably type “frozen state pension wiki” - they wouldn’t type “frozen state pension (UK) wiki”. In summary, I would definitely like to keep it, but rename it if you must.
The Retiree (
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16:38, 22 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Reply to previous comment: regardless of whether people use google or the Wikipedia searchbar, they will arrive at the article instead of the category, so adding the disambiguator in the category name is irrelevant for that. Adding the disambiguator in the category name is safer in case editors categorize by means of e.g. Hotcat, without checking that
Frozen state pension is exclusively about the UK. In fact I would not mind adding the disambiguator to the article title as well.
Marcocapelle (
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09:33, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Further comment -- I accept that this is rather too small a category at present. However are we sure that no other country pursues a similar policy? I understood that UK did not apply this policy where the destination country had a reciprocal arrangement. I suspect this all goes back to a period when most people collected their pension in cash from a Post Office, so that UK had for example to use the Australian Post Office as its agent and vice versa.
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17:02, 27 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Thank you very much - this will allow me time to develop and publish a number of other Wikipedia pages that will have this category appended to them.
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Category:Canadian film directors of Pakistani descent
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Comment - The American category has 5 which is normally considered enough to keep; the British one has 4 (almost enough); only the Canadian one is well short of that. If deleted merge also to
Category:Film directors of Pakistani descent, which should therefore be kept and have the (native) Pakistani category added. My view is that a triple, even quadruple, intersection is worth having if it can be adequately populated. Second or third generation Pakistanis are likely to retain their Pakistani (and Muslim) heritage and approach filming with that cultural background.
Peterkingiron (
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16:17, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Film directors are defined by their nationality, not by their ethnic background. Per
WP:CATEGRS, to justify a category like this it would have to be necessary to write an actual article about
Filmmakers of Pakistani descent that covered what made their work collectively distinctive and unique as a group, supported by
reliable source coverage and analysis about it.
Bearcat (
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13:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
The people may already be in appropriate subcategories, such as
Category:Canadian documentary film directors or
Category:Scottish film directors, which would render the parent category into unwanted duplicate categorization. Obviously some care should be taken to ensure that the few stragglers don't get stranded, but a comprehensive "upmerge all to '[American/British/Canadian] film directors' alongside the ethnic parent category" is not needed.
Bearcat (
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13:32, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom and
WP:OCEGRS. Re: duel merge issue, I'm pretty convinced that articles would already be in another Canadian film directors category (and
WP:GHETTO says that they should be), but a check could not harm.
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19:19, 27 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Biting insects
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Nominator's rationale: There are several problems with this category - (1) It appears (e.g. by being placed under
Category:Insects and humans) that this category is specifically for insects that bite humans, but that isn't clear from the category's name. (2) Many of these insects (e.g.
Mosquitos) don't actually
bite humans (although some do pierce the skin). (3) This isn't part of a wider "Biting animals" category structure. (4) However this category is defined it's likely that the 85 articles currently in it are a tiny fraction of the articles that would be eligible to be in it. Articles about insects are well categorized by their genus etc (i.e. below flies, moths, bees etc) so categories like this are unnecessary. Note: It may be appropriate to move some articles in this category to
Category:Pest insects. DexDor(talk)11:19, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
This and other subcategories of pest insects were intended for articles where it was mentioned that the insect is a pest and for some explicit reason. (Ideally, there wouldn't be any articles under Pest insects, there should always be some reason in the article why it is considered a pest.) Some articles explicitly state the insect bites. For example, "Bed bugs are a type of insect that feed on human blood, usually at night. Their bites can result in a number of health impacts..." Therefore, I think the answers to the above are, 1) Yes, though actually it was created under
Category:Pest insects. 2) If the insect does not bite humans, livestock, or pets or the bite is not what makes people consider it a pest, then it should not be in this category. 3) It is under
Category:Pest insects, which is under
Category:Insects and humans. 4) If it were renamed "Insects with bites painful or dangerous to humans" then a more limited number of articles would belong in it. That might be too long a name for a category. I agree it is problematic that some of these insects are categorized here merely because they bite. I wouldn't see any value in that. Every article in this category should be identified explicitly in the article as being a pest and it should state something about it biting humans, livestock, or pets. --
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15:20, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
I don’t have any real knowledge of the subject. The perception of an insect as a pest is not based on the morphology of the insect, it’s an interaction. I’m not qualified to say if an insect bites. The article says it. If the article says the insect bites, the article can be so categorized. Sorry, I know that’s not helpful. -Brambleshire (on mobile)
Delete for all of the reasons already discussed and more.... For example,
German cockroaches are not known for biting humans - and yet I can assure you that they do indeed bite or chew/feed on sleeping children. And I'm sure there are many other insects that will at times bite humans, even though they may not be known for that. In fact, I suspect it might actually make more sense to have a category for non-biting insects! Just sayin'...
Anomalous+0 (
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12:10, 26 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. There are many insects that may sometimes bite humans as a defense mechanism. The ones that we usually consider as "biting" feed on human blood. There is a category
Category:Hematophages (underpopulated, with relevant articles in the parent
Category:Haematophagy). I'm not sure that hematophages is the right route to go though; perhaps there should be a subcategory for hematophagous insects that feed on humans. But most hematophagous insects are generalists and feed primarily on non-human animals, with incidental feeding on humans. Few insects are specialists evolved to feed on humans (
one louse species,
bedbugs, maybe
human flea, that's about it). Some hematophagous insects may have increased medical significance as
Category:Insect vectors of human pathogens. Hematophagous insects that feed on livestock may belong in
Category:Agricultural pest insects, although all existing members of the category appear to be pests of crops. I'm not sure whether diet (hematophagy, herbivory, intestinal parasite) could be a DEFINING characterisitic of an animal, but very few animals are currently categorized by diet, so I'm not inclined to be in favor of developing any categories for human hematophages.
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Category:Wikipedia Hebrew script templates
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Category:Veritas (political party) politicians
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary and tautologous disambiguation. None of the other uses at
Veritas (disambiguation) is likely to be mistaken for a political party.
It has been stated that "it is customary to retain the dab in category names" but I have never found any naming policy to support this, despite asking for directions.
Opera hat (
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01:48, 15 December 2019 (UTC)reply
If this "naming policy" is so well-established, then why isn't it included in the guidelines at
Wikipedia:Category names? WP:Category names says that standard
WP:Naming conventions apply, and these include naturalness (the current title is ludicrously unnatural), precision (titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the [category], but should be no more precise than that) and conciseness (The title is no longer than necessary to identify the [category]'s subject and distinguish it from other [categories]). All of this is English Wikipedia policy. A custom that parenthetical disambiguation that is necessary for an article title, as in
Veritas (political party), should be carried over to a category where it is unnecessary, like
Category:Veritas (political party) politicians, is not policy.
Opera hat (
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01:18, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Rename per nom -- The article has to be at
Veritas (political party), because Veritas (Latin for truth) potentially has other uses. However there is no reason why the disambiguator has to be carried into the politicians category, as only a political party will have politicians. We have Birmingham categories at Birmingham, West Midlands, so that Birmingham, AL articles are not added by mistake, though the article is at
Birmingham. This is the converse situation, where a disambiguator is unnecessary for the category, though needed for the article. The party only existed for about 10 years as a splinter of a small party, so that its further population is unlikely.
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16:29, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Diplomatic missions in Liverpool
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The result of the discussion was:merge for now. Consensus is that this category shouldn't exist. If coverage improves of this subject, then Peterkingiron's alternative then recreation should be considered.
MER-C03:25, 3 January 2020 (UTC)reply
Comment --
this page lists over a dozen consulates in Liverpool. No country would have an embassy there, because these are almost invariably in the capital. WP includes consulates in diplomatic missions, but they are not concerned in diplomacy but in helping their citizens deal with the authorities in the host country and (for example) merchants from the host country deal with their own. There may be scope for renaming to
Category:Consulates in Liverpool and seeking to populate it, but often consular service is provided by an individual (Honorary consul or vice-consul) from an office that also performs other functions, so that I am not sure of the merits of encouraging such articles. WP is not supposed to be a directory, but the parent of the page cited suggests that a consulates tree could spawn dozens of not very useful articles for UK alone.
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16:45, 16 December 2019 (UTC)reply
Keep As a major port (both for trade and because there is a resident population) Liverpool has historically had a large number of consulates. So have Bristol, Newcastle and a few other similar ports. The idea of "only one article" (seriously?) as a definition is nonsense, because the population of this cat should be based on what exists, not on what WP has articles on. Also it would be quite reasonable to create these consulate articles quickly, as redirects to a section within the national embassy articles.
Comment -- I changed my vote to delete, because it appeared unlikely that other articles would be created to populate this adequately. Part of the problem is that we have
List of diplomatic missions in the United Kingdom and similar lists for Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland, but none for England. The reason for this is no doubt that the English list (and a related category) would be swamped by Embassies and High Commissions in London. As pointed out there are consulates or consulates-general in many cities, but perhaps not enough in any one city to merit a category. Perhaps I might offer an alternative option of renaming to give it a wider scope to
Category:Consulates in England or
Category:Consulates in provincial England. The latter is intended to exclude London, though I doubt there will be consulates in London, because consular business in and around London will be done from the main diplomatic mission.
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Nominator's flip-flop: The two articles that aren't TV shows are adequetly categorized and the TV shows have their own category. I'm changing my vote to delete.
Fuddle (
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23:46, 27 December 2019 (UTC)reply
We'd be establishing a precedent, not that there's anything wrong with that. I don't think there are any Category:[genre] television series set in [place]. Are we heading towards
WP:SMALLCAT?
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00:17, 31 December 2019 (UTC)reply
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