Category:People associate with the Rockefeller Foundation
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Nominator's rationale: Seems like a pretty clear cut typo to me.
-Crossroads- (
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Clear cut, yes. Discussion still needed?
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Category:Inter-county Gaelic football competitions
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 08:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The sport is called
Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers". Every category for it includes the full name of the sport.
The bare word
football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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Oppose. Leave it as is. Football is too simple a description.
Heshs Umpire (
talk)
Oppose For same reasons as above. Plus there is a history of inter county football in England. See
County football association.
DjlnDjln (
talk) 14:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful.
Newshunter12 (
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Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer.
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Category:Inter-county Gaelic footballers
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MER-C 08:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The sport which these people play is called
Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers". Every category for them includes the full name of the sport.
The bare word
football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 09:53, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose For same reasons as above.
DjlnDjln (
talk) 14:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful.
Newshunter12 (
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Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer. Apart from that it would be highly ambiguous as to what country was meant.
Peterkingiron (
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Oppose . This would confuse people unfamiliar with Gaelic football - ie most of the world.
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Category:Bassas da India
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Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 08:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete per
WP:C2F. It is actually already listed in
WP:CFDS, no reason to have a duplicate nomination here.
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Category:German writers by federal state
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 08:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 08:47, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Redundant adjective.
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Category:New Left in China
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MER-C 08:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I had originally proposed this as a speedy but missed a slightly more complex move history, so bringing it here for full discussion. The main article was moved to "New Left in China" in 2017 on the grounds of conforming to the "[political ideology] in [country]" standard and the category was itself moved consequent to this renaming. I'm proposing it as a CfD rather than just waiting for it to be stable because "New Left in China" is actually a potentially inappropriate name as I'll try to explain.
I moved the main article back to Chinese New Left today because "Chinese New Left" is a fixed phrase (2:1 split on Google Scholar) and not merely "the section/influence of the New Left in China". As
the article explains, some members of the CNL explicitly dissociate themselves from the
New Left as such, so "New Left in China" is a slightly problematic topic header: they're not the Chinese branch of the New Left in the way that, say,
liberals in China are just Chinese people who subscribe to liberalism. "Chinese New Left" refers to a specific group, "New Left in China" can refer to either that group or Chinese people who follow the Western New Left, which has a separate history and etymology.
(Apologies for the slightly complicated rationale for a straightforward-looking move but hopefully it makes sense!) —
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Category:5pb.
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Muslim socialists and feminists
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Nominator's rationale: When the modifier Islamic is applied to a person (or group of people) it has a different connotation. In many cases, that does not apply to the people in these categories. For example
Irshad Manji is particularly anti-
Islamic fundamentalism. Putting her in
Category:Islamic feminists is just not right. She is Muslim and a feminist but that does not mean we can call her an Islamic feminist because that term is just not idiomatic for her category of people. Here the distinction is about when referring to people. See existing examples:
Category:Muslim reformers,
Category:Muslim writers and
Category:Muslim activists. ---
Coffeeand
crumbs 17:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. If we already have
Jewish socialists and
Christian socialists, we might as well keep the category for muslims. This is a subcat of
Category:Islamic socialism, so this intersection of ideology and religion makes sense due to the existence of
Islamic socialism. Additionally, many brands of socialism are explicitly atheist in nature. Finally, the rename will allow us to expand the scope of the category to folks who are both muslim and socialist while not necessarily being Islamic socialists specifically. The same goes for
Category:Muslim feminists per nom. –MJL‐Talk‐☖ 22:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
The goal of
WP:OCEGRS is to avoid trivial intersection categories like people happen to be both muslim and socialist.
Marcocapelle (
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MER-C 08:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. Definitely the most correct term is Muslim and not Islamic.--
NronQsr (
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Support Peterkingiron's suggestion.
Islamic feminism is a specific movement, and not all Muslim-origin feminists are Islamic feminists.
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Category:Statistics disambiguation pages
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MER-C 16:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of only two pages. We have generally been much more restrictive about increasing categorization of disambiguation pages than we have with respect to articles, and a category with only two topics can serve little purpose in any context.
bd2412T 22:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete, we should not categorize disambiguation pages at all, assuming their various targets are already categorized appropriately. However if merged as per nom, please note that the Economic census dab page does not belong in a mathematics category. In that case only the statistics dab page should be moved to
Category:Mathematics disambiguation pages.
Marcocapelle (
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MER-C 08:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as dab pages should not have category tags. Possibly use {{disambiguation|math}}. DexDor(talk) 10:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Steely Dan members
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 10:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: See comments by
User:Mvavanti, who was trying to nominate the category for deletion.
Robert McClenon (
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Oppose - the rationale (on the category talk page) is not particularly convincing.
Jeff Baxter is described as a member for 2 years as are several others. Session musicians should be pruned, of course.
Oculi (
talk) 00:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, being a
session musician is not particularly defining, this may also be considered as a case of
WP:PERFCAT. However, no objection against recreating the category with only two members.
Marcocapelle (
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Comment would these articles not be more usefully linked with a standard band infobox?
Grutness...wha? 13:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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Delete not a defining membership. Leads to category clutter, already really bad in musician articles.
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Category:C3E Clean Energy Education and Empowerment Ambassador
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MER-C 08:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Promotional categorisation. Long description of how wonderful these ambassadors are but only one biographical article and no article on the topic. Uncategorised.
Rathfelder (
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Category:People associate with the Rockefeller Foundation
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Nominator's rationale: Seems like a pretty clear cut typo to me.
-Crossroads- (
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Clear cut, yes. Discussion still needed?
Hyperbolick (
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Category:Inter-county Gaelic football competitions
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 08:25, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The sport is called
Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers". Every category for it includes the full name of the sport.
The bare word
football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 09:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. Leave it as is. Football is too simple a description.
Heshs Umpire (
talk)
Oppose For same reasons as above. Plus there is a history of inter county football in England. See
County football association.
DjlnDjln (
talk) 14:33, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful.
Newshunter12 (
talk) 02:59, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Inter-county Gaelic footballers
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MER-C 08:26, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose. The sport which these people play is called
Gaelic football. The players are called "Gaelic footballers". Every category for them includes the full name of the sport.
The bare word
football is ambiguous. Our readers would not helped in any way by creating inconsistencies in the category tree and introducing avoidable ambiguity. --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
contribs) 09:53, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose For same reasons as above.
DjlnDjln (
talk) 14:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose per BrownHairedGirl. A rename is not helpful.
Newshunter12 (
talk) 03:00, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose -- The sport is Gaelic football, not soccer. Apart from that it would be highly ambiguous as to what country was meant.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 15:43, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose . This would confuse people unfamiliar with Gaelic football - ie most of the world.
Rathfelder (
talk) 20:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Bassas da India
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Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 08:52, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete per
WP:C2F. It is actually already listed in
WP:CFDS, no reason to have a duplicate nomination here.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 09:05, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:German writers by federal state
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MER-C 08:27, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Support Redundant adjective.
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Category:New Left in China
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MER-C 08:28, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: I had originally proposed this as a speedy but missed a slightly more complex move history, so bringing it here for full discussion. The main article was moved to "New Left in China" in 2017 on the grounds of conforming to the "[political ideology] in [country]" standard and the category was itself moved consequent to this renaming. I'm proposing it as a CfD rather than just waiting for it to be stable because "New Left in China" is actually a potentially inappropriate name as I'll try to explain.
I moved the main article back to Chinese New Left today because "Chinese New Left" is a fixed phrase (2:1 split on Google Scholar) and not merely "the section/influence of the New Left in China". As
the article explains, some members of the CNL explicitly dissociate themselves from the
New Left as such, so "New Left in China" is a slightly problematic topic header: they're not the Chinese branch of the New Left in the way that, say,
liberals in China are just Chinese people who subscribe to liberalism. "Chinese New Left" refers to a specific group, "New Left in China" can refer to either that group or Chinese people who follow the Western New Left, which has a separate history and etymology.
(Apologies for the slightly complicated rationale for a straightforward-looking move but hopefully it makes sense!) —
Nizolan(
talk ·
c.) 21:06, 30 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:5pb.
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Muslim socialists and feminists
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Nominator's rationale: When the modifier Islamic is applied to a person (or group of people) it has a different connotation. In many cases, that does not apply to the people in these categories. For example
Irshad Manji is particularly anti-
Islamic fundamentalism. Putting her in
Category:Islamic feminists is just not right. She is Muslim and a feminist but that does not mean we can call her an Islamic feminist because that term is just not idiomatic for her category of people. Here the distinction is about when referring to people. See existing examples:
Category:Muslim reformers,
Category:Muslim writers and
Category:Muslim activists. ---
Coffeeand
crumbs 17:41, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. If we already have
Jewish socialists and
Christian socialists, we might as well keep the category for muslims. This is a subcat of
Category:Islamic socialism, so this intersection of ideology and religion makes sense due to the existence of
Islamic socialism. Additionally, many brands of socialism are explicitly atheist in nature. Finally, the rename will allow us to expand the scope of the category to folks who are both muslim and socialist while not necessarily being Islamic socialists specifically. The same goes for
Category:Muslim feminists per nom. –MJL‐Talk‐☖ 22:05, 1 August 2019 (UTC)reply
The goal of
WP:OCEGRS is to avoid trivial intersection categories like people happen to be both muslim and socialist.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 10:39, 3 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 08:46, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support. Definitely the most correct term is Muslim and not Islamic.--
NronQsr (
talk) 07:22, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support Peterkingiron's suggestion.
Islamic feminism is a specific movement, and not all Muslim-origin feminists are Islamic feminists.
Zerach (
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Category:Statistics disambiguation pages
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MER-C 16:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Category of only two pages. We have generally been much more restrictive about increasing categorization of disambiguation pages than we have with respect to articles, and a category with only two topics can serve little purpose in any context.
bd2412T 22:02, 28 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete, we should not categorize disambiguation pages at all, assuming their various targets are already categorized appropriately. However if merged as per nom, please note that the Economic census dab page does not belong in a mathematics category. In that case only the statistics dab page should be moved to
Category:Mathematics disambiguation pages.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 07:21, 2 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 08:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete as dab pages should not have category tags. Possibly use {{disambiguation|math}}. DexDor(talk) 10:12, 27 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Steely Dan members
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 10:37, 15 September 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: See comments by
User:Mvavanti, who was trying to nominate the category for deletion.
Robert McClenon (
talk) 18:53, 28 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose - the rationale (on the category talk page) is not particularly convincing.
Jeff Baxter is described as a member for 2 years as are several others. Session musicians should be pruned, of course.
Oculi (
talk) 00:26, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Support in principle, being a
session musician is not particularly defining, this may also be considered as a case of
WP:PERFCAT. However, no objection against recreating the category with only two members.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:37, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment would these articles not be more usefully linked with a standard band infobox?
Grutness...wha? 13:14, 29 July 2019 (UTC)reply
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Delete not a defining membership. Leads to category clutter, already really bad in musician articles.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:C3E Clean Energy Education and Empowerment Ambassador
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MER-C 08:32, 17 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Promotional categorisation. Long description of how wonderful these ambassadors are but only one biographical article and no article on the topic. Uncategorised.
Rathfelder (
talk) 08:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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