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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 08:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Mekelle is the current name of the city's article and of several of the items in the category. If someone thinks that Mek'ele is better, IMHO this should be discussed at the leading article.
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Rename per above --
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Category:Godagari births
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MER-C 08:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per above. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think "births" categories on Wikipedia are typically used to describe people born in certain places; only births in a certain year. –Sonicwavetalk 21:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
delete per above --
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Category:Bildungsromans
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 09:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:COMMONNAME. Although
bildungsroman is the standard technical term for this genre of literature in academic literary criticism and analysis, it's not widely used in everyday speech by the general public, who instead are much more likely to speak of "coming-of-age novels". This is also demonstrated by the fact that I just had to recategorize a very large cluster of novels that had been filed in the parent
Category:Coming-of-age fictioninstead of here: in other words, people were expecting "coming-of-age novels" and not finding it, and thus using the parent instead of noticing that what they were looking for was located at a technical German term instead of the common usage.
Bearcat (
talk) 15:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
oppose This is the standard name within the study and coverage of the novels as a genre-- instead we should establish a redirect from Coming of Age novel to bildungsroman.
Sadads (
talk) 17:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
WP:COMMONNAME trumps technical terminology. This may be the standard name within academic literary criticism — which I admitted right up front — but it is not the genre's standard name among the general public.
Bearcat (
talk) 21:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
A change should be discussed at article level, to begin with. Category names usually follow article names.
Marcocapelle (
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Oppose, technical term is perfect for category precision and matches the article title. —Kusma (
t·
c) 08:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Technical oppose – I strongly agree with
Bearcat that coming-of-age anything is better than bildung anything for en.wiki, since both concepts are used in the English-language literature and one is much easier to grasp for the wider public. My only objection is that this should be discussed in the article space.
gidonb (
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Technical correctness here is misleading to most editors.
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 08:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Outdated, unnecessary category at this time. At the previous CfD discussion
here, a rationale was provided defining a "standard" portal page as being "a one-page or automatically created portal". However, this is 1) outmoded and 2) not the case, because:
Most of the automatically created portals have been deleted at MfD. As such, the automatically created portals are no longer the standard.
While some portals are being converted to a one-page layout using various newer portal templates, portals that use subpages are still the standard style.
Delete unless there's a process that uses this category (I've not found any such process). Note: The previous CFD was only a few months ago but the (NAC) closure of that CFD looks inappropriate (more recently much clearer cases have been relisted). DexDor(talk) 17:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Now outdated.--Aurictalk 19:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Canadian zombie web series
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 08:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a
WP:SMALLCAT with only two entries, and the proposed merge target only has 18 other entries (and no other subcategories) besides this, so subcategorizing by nationality isn't necessary at this time. The sole entry here was left in
Category:Canadian web series directly alongside this, so no upmerging is needed in that direction. If and when there are several dozen zombie web series with Wikipedia articles, then subcategorizing them by nationality would be useful -- but if there are only 20 in total, it's not needed yet.
Bearcat (
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Support merge per nomination.
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Category:Former shopping streets and districts in the United States
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MER-C 08:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Definitely an improvement, but I'm not very happy with the notion of former districts. Is that defining? Are we saying that there are no longer any shops in these places, and there will never be any more?
Rathfelder (
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Well, the idea was to categorize those streets which (at least in the US) formerly were "main shopping streets" of a city with the major department stores, and no longer are. Many more could be added in cities where there is no major downtown shopping district any longer, such as Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. This is likely to continue as physical retail shrinks its footprint. Now of course there are "some shops" but Broadway and 7th would not qualify as "main shopping streets" of Los Angeles (in fact, there aren't any in the city proper... only malls)
Keizers (
talk) 20:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. Only two items and not former shopping streets, just streets that have become less trendy for shopping. In other words, neither precise nor defining enough to categorize.
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 08:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Maju Holdings
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MER-C 08:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support no there there. The company article existed, was prodded, and deleted.
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Category:Warner Bros. Records
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 09:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: As of May 28, 2019, Warner Bros. Records has been rebranded as Warner Records, this category page should be moved along with its subcategories related to Warner Records.
Ridwan97 (
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Comment only If something was issued with a 'Warner Bros.' label then that's what it was, you can't change that. It doesn't change because the name of the company changes it's name. Consequently there is an argument that BOTH categories should exist where appropriate. Equally some might argue that this would lead to surfeit of meaningless categories. --
Richhoncho (
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Richhoncho – Wasn't Warner always a short for Warner Bros? It's perfectly ok to use short unambigious and current names.
gidonb (
talk) 17:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User:Gidonb. I would think so, but if a label says 'Warner Bros' then we have black and white indisputable proof that is what the label should be, irrespective of what 'the man in the street' might say. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 21:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User: Richhoncho. This "man in the street", well or little educated, is our user. It's who we make the encyclopedia for and the entire point of thinking through our categorization. By concentrating on the trees (or even branches), we would miss the forest, and pay a disservice to our users.
gidonb (
talk) 11:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User:Gidonb. Then you are saying the information may be an approximation, not as factually true as can be confirmed. Not sure I would agree an encyclopedia should be written that way, but realistic enough to see both sides of the argument, which is why I made a comment and not posted a !vote on the discussion. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 08:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - per leading article, nom, and me ("It's perfectly ok to use short unambigious and current names").
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Category:Cadet Corps of the Russian Empire
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 08:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 15:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 08:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:Mekelle is the current name of the city's article and of several of the items in the category. If someone thinks that Mek'ele is better, IMHO this should be discussed at the leading article.
gidonb (
talk) 18:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Rename per above --
Lenticel(
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Category:Godagari births
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MER-C 08:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete per above. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think "births" categories on Wikipedia are typically used to describe people born in certain places; only births in a certain year. –Sonicwavetalk 21:46, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
delete per above --
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Category:Bildungsromans
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The result of the discussion was:do not rename.
MER-C 09:01, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:COMMONNAME. Although
bildungsroman is the standard technical term for this genre of literature in academic literary criticism and analysis, it's not widely used in everyday speech by the general public, who instead are much more likely to speak of "coming-of-age novels". This is also demonstrated by the fact that I just had to recategorize a very large cluster of novels that had been filed in the parent
Category:Coming-of-age fictioninstead of here: in other words, people were expecting "coming-of-age novels" and not finding it, and thus using the parent instead of noticing that what they were looking for was located at a technical German term instead of the common usage.
Bearcat (
talk) 15:55, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
oppose This is the standard name within the study and coverage of the novels as a genre-- instead we should establish a redirect from Coming of Age novel to bildungsroman.
Sadads (
talk) 17:31, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
WP:COMMONNAME trumps technical terminology. This may be the standard name within academic literary criticism — which I admitted right up front — but it is not the genre's standard name among the general public.
Bearcat (
talk) 21:32, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
A change should be discussed at article level, to begin with. Category names usually follow article names.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:40, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Oppose, technical term is perfect for category precision and matches the article title. —Kusma (
t·
c) 08:55, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Technical oppose – I strongly agree with
Bearcat that coming-of-age anything is better than bildung anything for en.wiki, since both concepts are used in the English-language literature and one is much easier to grasp for the wider public. My only objection is that this should be discussed in the article space.
gidonb (
talk) 17:34, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Technical correctness here is misleading to most editors.
Rathfelder (
talk) 20:49, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:delete.
MER-C 08:55, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Outdated, unnecessary category at this time. At the previous CfD discussion
here, a rationale was provided defining a "standard" portal page as being "a one-page or automatically created portal". However, this is 1) outmoded and 2) not the case, because:
Most of the automatically created portals have been deleted at MfD. As such, the automatically created portals are no longer the standard.
While some portals are being converted to a one-page layout using various newer portal templates, portals that use subpages are still the standard style.
Delete unless there's a process that uses this category (I've not found any such process). Note: The previous CFD was only a few months ago but the (NAC) closure of that CFD looks inappropriate (more recently much clearer cases have been relisted). DexDor(talk) 17:49, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete Now outdated.--Aurictalk 19:44, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Canadian zombie web series
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
MER-C 08:59, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: This is a
WP:SMALLCAT with only two entries, and the proposed merge target only has 18 other entries (and no other subcategories) besides this, so subcategorizing by nationality isn't necessary at this time. The sole entry here was left in
Category:Canadian web series directly alongside this, so no upmerging is needed in that direction. If and when there are several dozen zombie web series with Wikipedia articles, then subcategorizing them by nationality would be useful -- but if there are only 20 in total, it's not needed yet.
Bearcat (
talk) 13:56, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support merge per nomination.
oknazevad (
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Category:Former shopping streets and districts in the United States
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MER-C 08:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Definitely an improvement, but I'm not very happy with the notion of former districts. Is that defining? Are we saying that there are no longer any shops in these places, and there will never be any more?
Rathfelder (
talk) 17:37, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Well, the idea was to categorize those streets which (at least in the US) formerly were "main shopping streets" of a city with the major department stores, and no longer are. Many more could be added in cities where there is no major downtown shopping district any longer, such as Baltimore, Atlanta, etc. This is likely to continue as physical retail shrinks its footprint. Now of course there are "some shops" but Broadway and 7th would not qualify as "main shopping streets" of Los Angeles (in fact, there aren't any in the city proper... only malls)
Keizers (
talk) 20:48, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Delete. Only two items and not former shopping streets, just streets that have become less trendy for shopping. In other words, neither precise nor defining enough to categorize.
gidonb (
talk) 22:44, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 08:56, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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MER-C 08:57, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support no there there. The company article existed, was prodded, and deleted.
gidonb (
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Category:Warner Bros. Records
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The result of the discussion was:rename.
MER-C 09:00, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: As of May 28, 2019, Warner Bros. Records has been rebranded as Warner Records, this category page should be moved along with its subcategories related to Warner Records.
Ridwan97 (
talk) 09:47, 8 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment only If something was issued with a 'Warner Bros.' label then that's what it was, you can't change that. It doesn't change because the name of the company changes it's name. Consequently there is an argument that BOTH categories should exist where appropriate. Equally some might argue that this would lead to surfeit of meaningless categories. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 14:10, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Richhoncho – Wasn't Warner always a short for Warner Bros? It's perfectly ok to use short unambigious and current names.
gidonb (
talk) 17:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User:Gidonb. I would think so, but if a label says 'Warner Bros' then we have black and white indisputable proof that is what the label should be, irrespective of what 'the man in the street' might say. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 21:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User: Richhoncho. This "man in the street", well or little educated, is our user. It's who we make the encyclopedia for and the entire point of thinking through our categorization. By concentrating on the trees (or even branches), we would miss the forest, and pay a disservice to our users.
gidonb (
talk) 11:35, 10 August 2019 (UTC)reply
User:Gidonb. Then you are saying the information may be an approximation, not as factually true as can be confirmed. Not sure I would agree an encyclopedia should be written that way, but realistic enough to see both sides of the argument, which is why I made a comment and not posted a !vote on the discussion. --
Richhoncho (
talk) 08:57, 11 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Support - per leading article, nom, and me ("It's perfectly ok to use short unambigious and current names").
gidonb (
talk) 17:42, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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Category:Cadet Corps of the Russian Empire
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MER-C 08:58, 16 August 2019 (UTC)reply
Comment Category has been emptied. LizRead!Talk! 15:39, 9 August 2019 (UTC)reply
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