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Christian mystics

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: Mysticism exists in many religious traditions, and greater specificity is needed to clariffy that these are Christian mystics. Note that the parent category is Category:Christian mystics by nationality. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Roman mystics

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:54, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The actual scope is people from Ancient Rome (see Category:Ancient Romas, and these are Christian mystics.
Mysticism exists in many religious traditions, and greater specificity is needed that these are Christian mystics. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Articles presenting hypothesis as fact

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 07:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Empty with no known parser error, template, or module to populate it.  —  Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs)  21:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Vertebrates of Metropolitan France

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 07:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: That a species (e.g. Sailfin roughshark) is found in a particular European country is non-defining.  Example previous similar CFDs: vertebrates/ Europe.  For info: All previous non-bot edits to these categories are by now-blocked editor(s). DexDor (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Recurring events until 1800

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2018 OCT 7 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC) reply
more nominated categories
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories contain only one article and/or one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • The guideline says part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme - which means that it is not permitted to nominate one or a few subcategories of an overall scheme that happen to be small just by chance while adjacent siblings are big enough to keep. The guideline makes perfect sense, but is not applicable here: it is the scheme itself that is being discussed (up to a certain point), not random parts of it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • In fact the large amount of these (ancient, medieval and early modern) recurring events are festivals and the festivals are already diffused by time. So there is no real need to create a parallel recurring events tree for older centuries. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Buddhist martyrs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The concept martyr is alien to Buddhist doctrine, and hardly occurs in relevant scholarship. Standard reference works such as the Encyclopedia of Buddhism [1] and the Princeton Dictionary of Buddhism [2] do not mention the term at all, and the Pali-English Dictionary [3] has one passing mention of the word, which is Greek and only mentioned for etymological reasons, with no bearing on Buddhist doctrine. The concept that a good Buddhist should give his life for his religion is known, but it is differently understood than in Christianity, and I wonder whether it is useful and correct to use Christian terminology to describe another religion. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 14:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Descendants of Genghis Khan

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:57, 7 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, we do not usually categorize people as descending of one particular ancestor. Note about the target: the Borjigin were the clan of Genghis Khan's ancestors and successors in the Mongol Empire. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:00, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • The DNA evidence would be applicable to the entire Borjigin (merge target). The DNA of Genghis Khan's nephews and grandparents would surely be closer to his own than the DNA of a 20th-century descendant. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Best Picture Academy Award nominated films

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The result of the discussion was: category was speedily deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions, we don't add cats for films that are nominated in a given category, even if it is the Oscars. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Update Along with the G4 noted by WilliamJE I am confident that the category was created by a sock of CensoredScribe ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (see my filing at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CensoredScribe) so WP:G5 applies as well. MarnetteD| Talk 03:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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Category:Pages using infobox officeholder with an atypical party value

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The result of the discussion was: category was speedily deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful. Usually it's caused by people who have switched parties or are affiliated with multiple parties at once. I don't see the need for tracking all of them.  —  Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs)  05:18, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Frietjes, I just declined a proposal for speedy deletion of this category per G7/user request; I declined it because you were not the person making the request. But if you want to make a request yourself for speedy deletion per G7, it will probably get honored. -- MelanieN ( talk) 00:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
MelanieN, no problem, I usually wait until the category is empty before tagging it with G7 (the server is still recaching the pages). Frietjes ( talk) 13:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
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September 29

Christian mystics

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:52, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Propose renaming:
Nominator's rationale: Mysticism exists in many religious traditions, and greater specificity is needed to clariffy that these are Christian mystics. Note that the parent category is Category:Christian mystics by nationality. -- BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 23:28, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Roman mystics

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:54, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The actual scope is people from Ancient Rome (see Category:Ancient Romas, and these are Christian mystics.
Mysticism exists in many religious traditions, and greater specificity is needed that these are Christian mystics. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • ( contribs) 22:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Articles presenting hypothesis as fact

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Delete. Timrollpickering 07:56, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Empty with no known parser error, template, or module to populate it.  —  Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs)  21:53, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Vertebrates of Metropolitan France

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 07:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: That a species (e.g. Sailfin roughshark) is found in a particular European country is non-defining.  Example previous similar CFDs: vertebrates/ Europe.  For info: All previous non-bot edits to these categories are by now-blocked editor(s). DexDor (talk) 19:43, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Recurring events until 1800

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at 2018 OCT 7 CFD. Good Ol’factory (talk) 12:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC) reply
more nominated categories
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories contain only one article and/or one subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • The guideline says part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme - which means that it is not permitted to nominate one or a few subcategories of an overall scheme that happen to be small just by chance while adjacent siblings are big enough to keep. The guideline makes perfect sense, but is not applicable here: it is the scheme itself that is being discussed (up to a certain point), not random parts of it. Marcocapelle ( talk) 18:50, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • In fact the large amount of these (ancient, medieval and early modern) recurring events are festivals and the festivals are already diffused by time. So there is no real need to create a parallel recurring events tree for older centuries. Marcocapelle ( talk) 21:05, 5 October 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Buddhist martyrs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 07:58, 6 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The concept martyr is alien to Buddhist doctrine, and hardly occurs in relevant scholarship. Standard reference works such as the Encyclopedia of Buddhism [1] and the Princeton Dictionary of Buddhism [2] do not mention the term at all, and the Pali-English Dictionary [3] has one passing mention of the word, which is Greek and only mentioned for etymological reasons, with no bearing on Buddhist doctrine. The concept that a good Buddhist should give his life for his religion is known, but it is differently understood than in Christianity, and I wonder whether it is useful and correct to use Christian terminology to describe another religion. Farang Rak Tham (Talk) 14:44, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Descendants of Genghis Khan

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Good Ol’factory (talk) 10:57, 7 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge, we do not usually categorize people as descending of one particular ancestor. Note about the target: the Borjigin were the clan of Genghis Khan's ancestors and successors in the Mongol Empire. Marcocapelle ( talk) 13:00, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
  • The DNA evidence would be applicable to the entire Borjigin (merge target). The DNA of Genghis Khan's nephews and grandparents would surely be closer to his own than the DNA of a 20th-century descendant. Marcocapelle ( talk) 11:29, 1 October 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Best Picture Academy Award nominated films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: category was speedily deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:16, 3 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Per previous discussions, we don't add cats for films that are nominated in a given category, even if it is the Oscars. Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 09:27, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Update Along with the G4 noted by WilliamJE I am confident that the category was created by a sock of CensoredScribe ( talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (see my filing at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/CensoredScribe) so WP:G5 applies as well. MarnetteD| Talk 03:32, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Pages using infobox officeholder with an atypical party value

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: category was speedily deleted. Good Ol’factory (talk) 14:17, 3 October 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Unhelpful. Usually it's caused by people who have switched parties or are affiliated with multiple parties at once. I don't see the need for tracking all of them.  —  Mr. Guye ( talk) ( contribs)  05:18, 29 September 2018 (UTC) reply
Frietjes, I just declined a proposal for speedy deletion of this category per G7/user request; I declined it because you were not the person making the request. But if you want to make a request yourself for speedy deletion per G7, it will probably get honored. -- MelanieN ( talk) 00:43, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
MelanieN, no problem, I usually wait until the category is empty before tagging it with G7 (the server is still recaching the pages). Frietjes ( talk) 13:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC) reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Retrieved from " https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_September_29&oldid=1073191857"

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