September 26
Category:People of Alsatian-Jewish descent
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete.
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17:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: As with the Category:People of Alsatian descent tree below, "Alsatian" is not an ethnically or nationally distinct type of Jewishness for the purposes of subcategorizing Jews by ethnic heritage -- it's simply a geographic region, of no more defining ethnic or national significance than separating Canadian Jews into distinct "Ontario-Jewish" and "Quebec-Jewish" ethnic groups would be. Jews in Alsace are still either French-Jewish or German-Jewish (or a mix of both), not a distinct "Alsatian-Jewish" thing of their own. Bearcat ( talk) 22:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- * Support per nom. I am assuming that all articles are already in a French-Jewish or a German-Jewish descent category as well, but I have not checked that. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete distant ancestry is not defining. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a valid descent category. Place Clichy ( talk) 14:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Alsace is a region which was for a period disputed between France and Germany. I am not clear whether its people were predominantly French or German speakers, but Jews would in any event not be ethnically either of these. This is a case of splitting too far. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Category:People of Alsatian descent
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete.
Timrollpickering
17:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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- Nominator's rationale: "Alsatian" is not a distinct ethnicity or nationality that a person can possess in the genealogical heritage sense, but merely a geographic region that ethnically French or ethnically German people might happen to live in. A person from Strasbourg is French by nationality, and may be either French or German (or both) by ethnic heritage -- but there is no such thing as a distinct "Alsatian" ethnicity or nationality for the purposes of categorizing people by ethnic heritage, any more than there's such a thing as an "Ontario" or "Manitoba" or "Alabama" or "Schleswig-Holstein" ethnicity or nationality. Many of the articles filed in this tree, in fact, contain no indication of "Alsatian" descent whatsoever apart from the category declaration itself -- and while some others do indicate that their parents or grandparents were from Alsace, it's still not a distinct ethnic group in its own right separately from French or German. We do not, for the record, have an article about "Alsatian people" as an ethnicity -- we merely have a list of people from Alsace as a geography. Bearcat ( talk) 21:58, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I am assuming that all articles are already in a French or a German descent category as well, but I have not checked that. Just in case, Category:People of Alsatian-German descent may be merged to Category:People of German descent. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete distant ancestry is not defining. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- PS, someone should tackle the whole Category:People of Huguenot descent tree, as Huguenot is based on religion which is something we wouldn't normally categorize people based on the faith of their ancestors. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think I'm misremembering something, because I actually thought we had already kiboshed that. Did we maybe just kick out one country's subcategory sometime in the past year while not actually dealing with the rest of the tree? I do know for a fact that I called explicit attention in a fairly recent CFD discussion to the fact that I have a line of Huguenot ancestry that completely fails to define anything significant about me. Bearcat ( talk) 17:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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- In a contemporary person Huguenot descent would be NN. For a person a generation or two after they fled from persecution, it would be highly significant. Such categories should survive, but may need purging. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a valid descent category as Alsatian is not really an ethnicity, and even if you consider it to be one, people seem to be classified in these categories often with a mere link to the region regardless of ethnicity. Place Clichy ( talk) 14:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Alsace is a region which was for a period disputed between France and Germany. I am not clear whether its people were predominantly French or German speakers, but it is not a separate ethnicity. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Category:SS service records
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- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:16, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Empty (virtually) category. The articles that used to populated it have been deleted as non-notable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:35, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, not needed. The one entry left, List of SS personnel is also under Category:SS personnel, which is sufficient. Kierzek ( talk) 21:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- DElete -- unnecessary. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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September 26
Category:People of Alsatian-Jewish descent
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete.
Timrollpickering
17:44, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
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Category:French people of Alsatian-Jewish descent (
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- Nominator's rationale: As with the Category:People of Alsatian descent tree below, "Alsatian" is not an ethnically or nationally distinct type of Jewishness for the purposes of subcategorizing Jews by ethnic heritage -- it's simply a geographic region, of no more defining ethnic or national significance than separating Canadian Jews into distinct "Ontario-Jewish" and "Quebec-Jewish" ethnic groups would be. Jews in Alsace are still either French-Jewish or German-Jewish (or a mix of both), not a distinct "Alsatian-Jewish" thing of their own. Bearcat ( talk) 22:14, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- * Support per nom. I am assuming that all articles are already in a French-Jewish or a German-Jewish descent category as well, but I have not checked that. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:16, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete distant ancestry is not defining. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:29, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a valid descent category. Place Clichy ( talk) 14:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Alsace is a region which was for a period disputed between France and Germany. I am not clear whether its people were predominantly French or German speakers, but Jews would in any event not be ethnically either of these. This is a case of splitting too far. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:06, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
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Category:People of Alsatian descent
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: Delete.
Timrollpickering
17:43, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Propose deleting
Category:People of Alsatian descent (
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Category:American people of Alsatian descent (
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Category:French people of Alsatian descent (
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Category:People of Alsatian-German descent (
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Category:Alsatian emigrants to the United States (
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Category:Families of Alsatian ancestry (
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Category:American families of Alsatian ancestry (
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Category:People of Alsatian descent (
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- Nominator's rationale: "Alsatian" is not a distinct ethnicity or nationality that a person can possess in the genealogical heritage sense, but merely a geographic region that ethnically French or ethnically German people might happen to live in. A person from Strasbourg is French by nationality, and may be either French or German (or both) by ethnic heritage -- but there is no such thing as a distinct "Alsatian" ethnicity or nationality for the purposes of categorizing people by ethnic heritage, any more than there's such a thing as an "Ontario" or "Manitoba" or "Alabama" or "Schleswig-Holstein" ethnicity or nationality. Many of the articles filed in this tree, in fact, contain no indication of "Alsatian" descent whatsoever apart from the category declaration itself -- and while some others do indicate that their parents or grandparents were from Alsace, it's still not a distinct ethnic group in its own right separately from French or German. We do not, for the record, have an article about "Alsatian people" as an ethnicity -- we merely have a list of people from Alsace as a geography. Bearcat ( talk) 21:58, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- Support per nom. I am assuming that all articles are already in a French or a German descent category as well, but I have not checked that. Just in case, Category:People of Alsatian-German descent may be merged to Category:People of German descent. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:15, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete distant ancestry is not defining. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:30, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- PS, someone should tackle the whole Category:People of Huguenot descent tree, as Huguenot is based on religion which is something we wouldn't normally categorize people based on the faith of their ancestors. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 06:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
- I think I'm misremembering something, because I actually thought we had already kiboshed that. Did we maybe just kick out one country's subcategory sometime in the past year while not actually dealing with the rest of the tree? I do know for a fact that I called explicit attention in a fairly recent CFD discussion to the fact that I have a line of Huguenot ancestry that completely fails to define anything significant about me. Bearcat ( talk) 17:33, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
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- In a contemporary person Huguenot descent would be NN. For a person a generation or two after they fled from persecution, it would be highly significant. Such categories should survive, but may need purging. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete not a valid descent category as Alsatian is not really an ethnicity, and even if you consider it to be one, people seem to be classified in these categories often with a mere link to the region regardless of ethnicity. Place Clichy ( talk) 14:51, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete -- Alsace is a region which was for a period disputed between France and Germany. I am not clear whether its people were predominantly French or German speakers, but it is not a separate ethnicity. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:11, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
Category:SS service records
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 17:16, 4 October 2018 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Empty (virtually) category. The articles that used to populated it have been deleted as non-notable. K.e.coffman ( talk) 04:35, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- Delete, not needed. The one entry left, List of SS personnel is also under Category:SS personnel, which is sufficient. Kierzek ( talk) 21:13, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
- DElete -- unnecessary. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:13, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.