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Category:Tucker Carlson
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Nominator's rationale:WP:EPCATPERS says that categories under an individual's name should be used only in "very notable cases", to categorise articles "directly related to that person". As this is mostly a collection of TV shows, and one book, and we only have one article that is actually aboutTucker Carlson, this category is unnecessary.
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Category:21st-century Jacobite pretenders
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Nominator's rationale: Only one entry, who isn't a 21st-century British monarch leaving only one appropriate supra-category.
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Category:20th-century Jacobite pretenders
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Category:17th-century Jacobite pretenders
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The second part of your statement is obviously untrue and the first part is ridiculous. Firstly, there's only one person and that person is a British monarch, and secondly that person is in the appropriate century category, and has been so ever since the category was created[1][2].
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Category:Armenian American writers
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Category:Features
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Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to fit a speedy category, but the definition of the category seems to be totally lacking (as in, what has that lone locomotive class that makes the category:features fit for it? It has features, yes, but that's hardly a defining or specific category...)
Fram (
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14:24, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Also nominated two other cats by editor who doesn't seem to understand the category system yet:
Delete - speedy if possible. I think "New category created without any parent categories" would make a good CSD reason as such categories (created by clueless newbies) are inevitably either non-sensical or duplicate an existing category. DexDor(talk)19:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Educational organisations
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Nominator's rationale: There are 107 country categories of Educational organisations. About 80 of them are of the form Educational organisations in Foo, and about 30 like Educational organisations based in Foo. It seems sensible to make them uniform. Do we go with the majority, or do we go to ..based in? I dont think we need to worry about multinational providers, so my vote is for brevity
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13:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Set categories
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Nominator's rationale: Created in 2011, this does not seem to have served it's intended purpose since (and I'm not sure what that purpose actually is), or else it would have hundreds of thousands of categories as entries. This was previously nominated at
CfD on 12 Nov 2013 with the result of no consensus.
User:Koavf began a task of populating it in Jan 2016 but only did about 1300 or so (and only
Albums by artist) subcategories. Even when new set categories are created, few people are going to know to add this as a maintenance category, so I don't believe it's intended purpose and usefulness will ever be met unless the Wikiproject makes it a regular task to ensure it's up to date as well as goes through every existing set category and adds it here. Right now it's just 99% album categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC) StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep I think there is a lot of value in saying that every category (or at least, every category of the actual content of the encyclopedia) is a set or topic category. It's a lot of work but then again so is removing unsourced statements or making an encyclopedia in the first place. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
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C☺
M☯01:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep – I agree with the above sentiments. The idea is that it's populated by a template. Instead of adding the specific template to each page, I wanted to start a category header template that could be added to every single category that would summarise the purpose and contents of the category, which would eliminate confusion, create standardisation and add the basic classification categories such as this one.
M.Clay1 (
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10:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
But how would most people know to add the template when creating categories. Average person really won't know whether they are creating a set or topic category. Most just copy and paste and if someone is copying from a topic category but creating set categories someone's got to maintain that for this to be useful. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me19:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
The same can be said for all administration and maintenance categories and templates. It's the niche of some editors to perform such maintenance activities that most other editors ignore. The website would be a mess if we only did what the average person bothered to do.
M.Clay1 (
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06:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
It's a tracking category, which "builds and maintains a list of pages primarily for the sake of the list itself" – for maintenance purposes, e.g. making sure the categories aren't populated incorrectly, making sure the template that populates the category isn't used incorrectly, etc. It's also a hidden category – it's not visible to most readers and editors, so it's not really complicating anything for anyone who doesn't want to be involved.
M.Clay1 (
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06:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
A hidden category with a big box that everyone can see and few would know what it means at top of each of these category pages. Can that be hidden, too? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me17:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete, while the template in itself may be useful to explain the purpose of a category, categorization of these set categories appears to serve no purpose.
Marcocapelle (
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21:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep (with some concerns) - the template {{set category}} is useful, and having a tracking category for that probably will be useful at some time. The category is less useful right now because it is overflowing with albums, making it almost a duplicate of
Category:Albums by artist. Perhaps {{albums category}} should be modified to not include this category, and the (nearly equivalent)
Category:Albums by artist be made a subcategory of this.
power~enwiki (
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ν)
03:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)reply
What is one looking for when going through what might ultimately be 100,000 set categories? It has existed for 7 years without someone making it useful. Right now, outside of a small handful of categories, the only categories using it are those in which the template has been added other templates (e.g. {{albums category}}). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me20:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Tucker Carlson
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Nominator's rationale:WP:EPCATPERS says that categories under an individual's name should be used only in "very notable cases", to categorise articles "directly related to that person". As this is mostly a collection of TV shows, and one book, and we only have one article that is actually aboutTucker Carlson, this category is unnecessary.
Bradv18:40, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:21st-century Jacobite pretenders
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Nominator's rationale: Only one entry, who isn't a 21st-century British monarch leaving only one appropriate supra-category.
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18:11, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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The second part of your statement is obviously untrue and the first part is ridiculous. Firstly, there's only one person and that person is a British monarch, and secondly that person is in the appropriate century category, and has been so ever since the category was created[1][2].
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09:30, 24 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Armenian American writers
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Category:Features
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Nominator's rationale: This doesn't seem to fit a speedy category, but the definition of the category seems to be totally lacking (as in, what has that lone locomotive class that makes the category:features fit for it? It has features, yes, but that's hardly a defining or specific category...)
Fram (
talk)
14:24, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Also nominated two other cats by editor who doesn't seem to understand the category system yet:
Delete - speedy if possible. I think "New category created without any parent categories" would make a good CSD reason as such categories (created by clueless newbies) are inevitably either non-sensical or duplicate an existing category. DexDor(talk)19:29, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Educational organisations
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Nominator's rationale: There are 107 country categories of Educational organisations. About 80 of them are of the form Educational organisations in Foo, and about 30 like Educational organisations based in Foo. It seems sensible to make them uniform. Do we go with the majority, or do we go to ..based in? I dont think we need to worry about multinational providers, so my vote is for brevity
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13:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Set categories
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Nominator's rationale: Created in 2011, this does not seem to have served it's intended purpose since (and I'm not sure what that purpose actually is), or else it would have hundreds of thousands of categories as entries. This was previously nominated at
CfD on 12 Nov 2013 with the result of no consensus.
User:Koavf began a task of populating it in Jan 2016 but only did about 1300 or so (and only
Albums by artist) subcategories. Even when new set categories are created, few people are going to know to add this as a maintenance category, so I don't believe it's intended purpose and usefulness will ever be met unless the Wikiproject makes it a regular task to ensure it's up to date as well as goes through every existing set category and adds it here. Right now it's just 99% album categories. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC) StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:16, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep I think there is a lot of value in saying that every category (or at least, every category of the actual content of the encyclopedia) is a set or topic category. It's a lot of work but then again so is removing unsourced statements or making an encyclopedia in the first place. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯01:05, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep – I agree with the above sentiments. The idea is that it's populated by a template. Instead of adding the specific template to each page, I wanted to start a category header template that could be added to every single category that would summarise the purpose and contents of the category, which would eliminate confusion, create standardisation and add the basic classification categories such as this one.
M.Clay1 (
talk)
10:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
But how would most people know to add the template when creating categories. Average person really won't know whether they are creating a set or topic category. Most just copy and paste and if someone is copying from a topic category but creating set categories someone's got to maintain that for this to be useful. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me19:32, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
The same can be said for all administration and maintenance categories and templates. It's the niche of some editors to perform such maintenance activities that most other editors ignore. The website would be a mess if we only did what the average person bothered to do.
M.Clay1 (
talk)
06:26, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
It's a tracking category, which "builds and maintains a list of pages primarily for the sake of the list itself" – for maintenance purposes, e.g. making sure the categories aren't populated incorrectly, making sure the template that populates the category isn't used incorrectly, etc. It's also a hidden category – it's not visible to most readers and editors, so it's not really complicating anything for anyone who doesn't want to be involved.
M.Clay1 (
talk)
06:35, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
A hidden category with a big box that everyone can see and few would know what it means at top of each of these category pages. Can that be hidden, too? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me17:15, 3 December 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete, while the template in itself may be useful to explain the purpose of a category, categorization of these set categories appears to serve no purpose.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
21:25, 22 November 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep (with some concerns) - the template {{set category}} is useful, and having a tracking category for that probably will be useful at some time. The category is less useful right now because it is overflowing with albums, making it almost a duplicate of
Category:Albums by artist. Perhaps {{albums category}} should be modified to not include this category, and the (nearly equivalent)
Category:Albums by artist be made a subcategory of this.
power~enwiki (
π,
ν)
03:14, 24 November 2018 (UTC)reply
What is one looking for when going through what might ultimately be 100,000 set categories? It has existed for 7 years without someone making it useful. Right now, outside of a small handful of categories, the only categories using it are those in which the template has been added other templates (e.g. {{albums category}}). StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me20:55, 4 December 2018 (UTC)reply
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