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July 23

Category:Film Markets

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The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering 21:11, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: No reason for this to be capitalized. Nardog ( talk) 15:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Big Brother (TV series) templates

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 15:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The parent article is Big Brother (franchise) so the category should match the article's naming. Gonnym ( talk) 10:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Sure. Wasn't this speediable?  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
No idea how to do that. Using the drop-down menu only let me do 1 category and this way. -- Gonnym ( talk) 13:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Commercial baking

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The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 09:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Two small categories with substantial overlap. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Sri Lankan people by occupation and ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:51, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
other Sri Lankan categories by ethnicity and occupation
Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:EGRS, we do not create categories that are a cross-section of a topic with an ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation, unless these characteristics are relevant to the topic. The latter is not the case here. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination that I started without realizing that the issue is much more widespread. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

  • Merge per nom. there is no reason that these occupations differ by ethnicity and much of the list above is ripe for merger as well. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 01:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • (as nom) 1) Agree with opposers that a lot of work needs to be done here, this apparently got out of control. But we need to start somewhere and with "animals by country" we have a nice precedent of gradually merging a massively huge undesirable categorization scheme, see here in conjunction with all similar nominations before. 2) Good suggestion to notify WP:ETHNICRACECAT, I'll do that instantly. 3) About race and ethnicity, the difference is that categorization by race is not done at all, while we do categorize by ethnicity but not in unrelated intersections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
If your rationale for deletion is sound you should be able to delete all 700+ categories in one nomination rather than picking off the small fry one by one. What happens if, when you get around to nominating one of the large fish, such as Category:African-American people by occupation, the debate decides that the categories should be kept? Will the minnows that had been deleted in previous nominations be recreated? Or will we have a system of apartheid in Wikipedia where some ethnic groups can be sub-categorised by occupation but others can't?-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
There are more than 700 cross-categorisation of ethnic groups by occupations.-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Sri Lankan covers (principally) two ethnicities Sinhalese and Tamil. The Tamil ones are likely to self-identify as "Tamil". They speak different languages and were for a long time engaged in a civil war. WP should not forcibly merge them with each other. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Merge some (and recat. articles as needed), so people are in an ethnic cat. and a national one, but not a hybrid. Sinhalese is the native ethno-linguistic group of Singapore. Many Tamil families have moved there and are now several generations there, but it is one of the major ethnicities of India and native to India. It doesn't make much encyclopedic sense to have "Category:Sri Lankan Tamil architects‎". It's a pointless intersection. If we're going to keep "Category:Tamil architects‎", someone being categorized in that and in "Category:Sri Lankan architects‎" handles it. But we should keep the Sinhalese" categories (not "Singaporean Sinhalese" or "Sinhalese ... of Singapore") ones for the same reason. If we're going to have ethnic categories and national categories, then have them. We have no use of "ethno-national" homunculus categories, and really should get rid of a lot more of them.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    It seems you are under the misconception that "Sri Lankan Tamil" is an artificial intersection of Sri Lankan and Tamil. Sri Lankan Tamils are a recognised ethnic group in Sri Lanka (the second largest ethnic group in the country). They have lived in Sri Lanka for more than two millennia. They are distinct from Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka who are more recent arrivals - less than two century - and live in a different part of Sri Lanka. So Sri Lankan Tamils are an ethnic group like Sinhalese, not some "ethno-national homunculus".-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Per this reasoning, Category:Sri Lankan Tamil people is eligible (because it is a distinct ethnicity), but the intersecting occupational categories still are not. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • keep as is no valid reason for deletion of these article navigation tools Hmains ( talk) 02:32, 26 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Care to elaborate? Nominator has stated a reason (for merging, not for deleting), which is absolutely valid under WP:EGRS and WP:OCEGRS. Also, if you are looking for "article navigation tools", you may look towards navigation boxes instead. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Merging a category has the same effect as deleting it since it will no longer exist as a navigation aid. WP has multiple navigation tools, of which categories are the most extensive and reader useful from their ability not only to go from one article to another, but their ability to go from one category to another (and top down or bottom up or across). Navigation boxes only get you from one article to another. In any case, use of one tool does not preclude use of another. The point is to help readers, not to achieve some kind of purity. Hmains ( talk) 15:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    I don't see what you mean by "some kind of purity", but creating random categories with the losest possible subjective connection is not a way to "help readers", just as it wouldn't be for articles. Wikipedia deserves to have a high standard, although very inclusive, in terms of what is acceptable content, for articles, categories and other content. This is where the WP:OCAT guideline is coming from. Therefore arguing that there is "no valid reason for deletion", while there is plenty, is an empty argument if not more elaborated. Place Clichy ( talk) 22:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Sri Lankan sportspeople by occupation and ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because sportspeople are already in a by-sport subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Sri Lankan politicians by occupation and ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because politicians are already in a by-party subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Sri Lankan priests by occupation and ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because priests are already in a Catholic or Anglican subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Garfield videos and DVDs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 09:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one item, WP:SMALLCAT. (Full disclosure: I merged the former articles– Garfield's Holiday Celebrations, Garfield's Fantasies, Garfield's Travel Adventures, Garfield Cat Tales– in this category into the current one item; but in nearly a year not a single one of the mergers has never been challenged or reverted; time has effectively ratified it). Ribbet32 ( talk) 03:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Upmerge per nom.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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July 23

Category:Film Markets

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering 21:11, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: No reason for this to be capitalized. Nardog ( talk) 15:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Big Brother (TV series) templates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 15:06, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: The parent article is Big Brother (franchise) so the category should match the article's naming. Gonnym ( talk) 10:43, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Sure. Wasn't this speediable?  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
No idea how to do that. Using the drop-down menu only let me do 1 category and this way. -- Gonnym ( talk) 13:04, 29 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Commercial baking

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 09:33, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Two small categories with substantial overlap. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:04, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Sri Lankan people by occupation and ethnicity

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:51, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
other Sri Lankan categories by ethnicity and occupation
Nominator's rationale: rename per WP:EGRS, we do not create categories that are a cross-section of a topic with an ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation, unless these characteristics are relevant to the topic. The latter is not the case here. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination that I started without realizing that the issue is much more widespread. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:02, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

  • Merge per nom. there is no reason that these occupations differ by ethnicity and much of the list above is ripe for merger as well. Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 01:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • (as nom) 1) Agree with opposers that a lot of work needs to be done here, this apparently got out of control. But we need to start somewhere and with "animals by country" we have a nice precedent of gradually merging a massively huge undesirable categorization scheme, see here in conjunction with all similar nominations before. 2) Good suggestion to notify WP:ETHNICRACECAT, I'll do that instantly. 3) About race and ethnicity, the difference is that categorization by race is not done at all, while we do categorize by ethnicity but not in unrelated intersections. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:51, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
If your rationale for deletion is sound you should be able to delete all 700+ categories in one nomination rather than picking off the small fry one by one. What happens if, when you get around to nominating one of the large fish, such as Category:African-American people by occupation, the debate decides that the categories should be kept? Will the minnows that had been deleted in previous nominations be recreated? Or will we have a system of apartheid in Wikipedia where some ethnic groups can be sub-categorised by occupation but others can't?-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:38, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
There are more than 700 cross-categorisation of ethnic groups by occupations.-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:58, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose Sri Lankan covers (principally) two ethnicities Sinhalese and Tamil. The Tamil ones are likely to self-identify as "Tamil". They speak different languages and were for a long time engaged in a civil war. WP should not forcibly merge them with each other. Peterkingiron ( talk) 17:30, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Merge some (and recat. articles as needed), so people are in an ethnic cat. and a national one, but not a hybrid. Sinhalese is the native ethno-linguistic group of Singapore. Many Tamil families have moved there and are now several generations there, but it is one of the major ethnicities of India and native to India. It doesn't make much encyclopedic sense to have "Category:Sri Lankan Tamil architects‎". It's a pointless intersection. If we're going to keep "Category:Tamil architects‎", someone being categorized in that and in "Category:Sri Lankan architects‎" handles it. But we should keep the Sinhalese" categories (not "Singaporean Sinhalese" or "Sinhalese ... of Singapore") ones for the same reason. If we're going to have ethnic categories and national categories, then have them. We have no use of "ethno-national" homunculus categories, and really should get rid of a lot more of them.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:38, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    It seems you are under the misconception that "Sri Lankan Tamil" is an artificial intersection of Sri Lankan and Tamil. Sri Lankan Tamils are a recognised ethnic group in Sri Lanka (the second largest ethnic group in the country). They have lived in Sri Lanka for more than two millennia. They are distinct from Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka who are more recent arrivals - less than two century - and live in a different part of Sri Lanka. So Sri Lankan Tamils are an ethnic group like Sinhalese, not some "ethno-national homunculus".-- Obi2canibe ( talk) 22:52, 25 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Per this reasoning, Category:Sri Lankan Tamil people is eligible (because it is a distinct ethnicity), but the intersecting occupational categories still are not. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
  • keep as is no valid reason for deletion of these article navigation tools Hmains ( talk) 02:32, 26 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Care to elaborate? Nominator has stated a reason (for merging, not for deleting), which is absolutely valid under WP:EGRS and WP:OCEGRS. Also, if you are looking for "article navigation tools", you may look towards navigation boxes instead. Place Clichy ( talk) 09:29, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    Merging a category has the same effect as deleting it since it will no longer exist as a navigation aid. WP has multiple navigation tools, of which categories are the most extensive and reader useful from their ability not only to go from one article to another, but their ability to go from one category to another (and top down or bottom up or across). Navigation boxes only get you from one article to another. In any case, use of one tool does not preclude use of another. The point is to help readers, not to achieve some kind of purity. Hmains ( talk) 15:24, 27 July 2018 (UTC) reply
    I don't see what you mean by "some kind of purity", but creating random categories with the losest possible subjective connection is not a way to "help readers", just as it wouldn't be for articles. Wikipedia deserves to have a high standard, although very inclusive, in terms of what is acceptable content, for articles, categories and other content. This is where the WP:OCAT guideline is coming from. Therefore arguing that there is "no valid reason for deletion", while there is plenty, is an empty argument if not more elaborated. Place Clichy ( talk) 22:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Sri Lankan sportspeople by occupation and ethnicity

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because sportspeople are already in a by-sport subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Sri Lankan politicians by occupation and ethnicity

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because politicians are already in a by-party subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Sri Lankan priests by occupation and ethnicity

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: No consensus. Timrollpickering 12:49, 5 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: delete per above nomination. Merging is not recommendable in this case, because priests are already in a Catholic or Anglican subcategory. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:00, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Garfield videos and DVDs

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Merge. Timrollpickering 09:34, 30 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one item, WP:SMALLCAT. (Full disclosure: I merged the former articles– Garfield's Holiday Celebrations, Garfield's Fantasies, Garfield's Travel Adventures, Garfield Cat Tales– in this category into the current one item; but in nearly a year not a single one of the mergers has never been challenged or reverted; time has effectively ratified it). Ribbet32 ( talk) 03:14, 23 July 2018 (UTC) reply
Upmerge per nom.  —  SMcCandlish ¢ 😼  22:41, 24 July 2018 (UTC) reply

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