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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous overcategorization for just one newspaper and its associated television station. This is not enough spinoff content to warrant a category for them -- it would be fine if there were a lot of spinoff content here, but for just two articles that already crosslink each other anyway it's just a navigationally unnecessary
WP:SMALLCAT.
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Recently we had a lot of discussion at CfD about medical doctors versus physicians. I think this requires a full discussion with two options, either rename all Ukrainian categories to physicians or rename all Ukrainian categories to medical doctors.
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08:34, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Will move to full discussion; as I recall the earlier "medical doctors" versus "physicians" was about retaining "medical doctors" categories for British and ex-British countries but that hardly applies to the Ukraine.
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23:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose -- This is applying an American definition of "physician" to other parts of the world, where Physician is a hospital speciality, not a general practitioner.
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17:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Physician is a much older term than medical doctor, and we have built an enormous category tree on it. We cant use the term doctor because it is ambiguous. Neither "Medical doctors" nor "physician" is a Ukrainian word.
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Comment. "Physicians" is the parent category. A number of countries use "Medical Doctor" rather than "Physician" as the local usage (as previously decided) but none in continental Europe apart from Gibraltar or in ex-Soviet Central Asia (the "stans"). Neighbours of Ukraine all use "Physician"; Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania & Russia. PS: A few countries not ex-British use Medical Doctors not Physicians: the Dominican Republic, Iceland, Panama and Saudi Arabia.
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Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category (apart from
the eponymous article* which may need to be upmerged) are articles about corporations, buildings, TV channels etc for which having a weather beacon (for a period) is non-defining - the articles (e.g.
Näsinneula) don't generally mention the weather beacon in the lede. Note: the article contains a list. DexDor(talk)12:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete – I was sure I had modified my comment in the recent discussion to agree with Dexdor on this but I seem not to have saved it. Indeed none of the articles is about a weather beacon. A better name would be 'buildings with weather-related features'.
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Years and decades in Castile
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Support but limited to Castile, but at this stage merge to decade in Iberia (covering Portugal, Castile, Aragon and a few other states) and see what that looks like, rather than straight to a Europe category. We can then see what that looks like before merging further.Peterkingiron (
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Presumably you are then okay with merging to years in Europe? Creating an entirely new category tree for decades in Iberia is quite a different issue.
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Quibble withdrawn -- Sampling suggests that in the medieval period years in Europe (and even an unsplit "years" category) are unlikely to get overpopulated. HoweverI still wonder whether there should not be a third upmerge target:
Category:1120s in Iberia (defined as what is now Spain and Portugal). If this proposed tree proves to have a lot of underpopulated members, we can then delete it.
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Comment I would be opposed to the creation of
Category:1120s in Iberia. Geographic land forms ought not to have a "by year" tree structure. The same goes for the Italian peninsula and the islands of Great Britain, Guinea and Timor. A "by century" structure which mainly draws on the categories of the various political entities within that geographic land form should be adequate.
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Merge - Category was bigger many years ago, but is unlikely to ever expand beyond 2 articles anytime in the forseeable future. --PresN13:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: This is a silly category, containing only one sub-cat and a single article, which really doesn't belong in the category, IMO. Just because the word "knee" is in the name of the movie doesn't mean it's "about knees", ferkrisake.
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Delete Fails
WP:NONDEF. Frankly it seems impossible for a work to be "about knees" unless it's some kind of educational documentary, and I doubt any of those are notable.ZXCVBNM (
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Nominator's rationale: This is a superfluous and completely unnecessary category. (It is comprised entirely of one subcategory,
Category:Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.) In the event that there is ever another atomic bombing -- perish the thought -- it can be resurrected at that time. (Assuming, of course, that we don't need resurrecting, ourselves... )
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when an album by a major artist is recorded at home (or any place that is not a commercial studio), the fact is usually (if not should be) mentioned in the lead.
Delete - in the sample of articles I looked at it was clearly non-defining e.g. not mentioned prominently in the lead. In some cases the songs on the album were recorded in a variety of places and/or (e.g. OK Computer) the definition of "
home studio" appears to have been interpreted loosely. Restrict and purge might be an alternative to deletion. DexDor(talk)06:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Restricting to albums primarily recorded in a home studio is reasonable, but I don't see how a manor doesn't count (so long as somebody actually uses it as a home).--
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Category:Wikipedia:Gender
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Nominator's rationale:Category:Wikipedia gender is an administration category for pages related to gender on Wikipedia. It is not helpful to further segment it by gender, especially when all three categories are rather lightly populated at the moment. (@
Apokrif: pinging the category creator) --
Black Falcon(
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I agree that there is room for expansion, but what is gained by separating pages about systemic bias against women from the broader category for gender on Wikipedia, especially when there are comparatively so few pages related to men. I can see how a split would be helpful if the parent category grows too large, but right now it seems too early to start splitting the category. If kept, the categories should be renamed to
Category:Wikipedia men and
Category:Wikipedia women, per
Wikipedia:Category names#Special conventions. Cheers, --
Black Falcon(
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Support merge within the project structure, there isn't sufficient content or cause to make this division. Gender rules for real content don't apply to project trees. Also, the parent category surely should be
Category:Wikipedia:Gender, no?
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Category:American mixed martial artists of Italian descent
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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by ethnicity. Nothing unique about American MMA artists of Italian descent.
TM01:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
That was an oversight on my part. I forgot to add the dual merge to the nomination. Thanks for catching it. I've added it to the proposal.--
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous overcategorization for just one newspaper and its associated television station. This is not enough spinoff content to warrant a category for them -- it would be fine if there were a lot of spinoff content here, but for just two articles that already crosslink each other anyway it's just a navigationally unnecessary
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Recently we had a lot of discussion at CfD about medical doctors versus physicians. I think this requires a full discussion with two options, either rename all Ukrainian categories to physicians or rename all Ukrainian categories to medical doctors.
Marcocapelle (
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08:34, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment Will move to full discussion; as I recall the earlier "medical doctors" versus "physicians" was about retaining "medical doctors" categories for British and ex-British countries but that hardly applies to the Ukraine.
Hugo999 (
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23:54, 17 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Strong oppose -- This is applying an American definition of "physician" to other parts of the world, where Physician is a hospital speciality, not a general practitioner.
Peterkingiron (
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17:41, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Physician is a much older term than medical doctor, and we have built an enormous category tree on it. We cant use the term doctor because it is ambiguous. Neither "Medical doctors" nor "physician" is a Ukrainian word.
Rathfelder (
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19:30, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment. "Physicians" is the parent category. A number of countries use "Medical Doctor" rather than "Physician" as the local usage (as previously decided) but none in continental Europe apart from Gibraltar or in ex-Soviet Central Asia (the "stans"). Neighbours of Ukraine all use "Physician"; Belarus, Hungary, Moldova, Poland, Romania & Russia. PS: A few countries not ex-British use Medical Doctors not Physicians: the Dominican Republic, Iceland, Panama and Saudi Arabia.
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Category:Weather beacons
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Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category (apart from
the eponymous article* which may need to be upmerged) are articles about corporations, buildings, TV channels etc for which having a weather beacon (for a period) is non-defining - the articles (e.g.
Näsinneula) don't generally mention the weather beacon in the lede. Note: the article contains a list. DexDor(talk)12:14, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete – I was sure I had modified my comment in the recent discussion to agree with Dexdor on this but I seem not to have saved it. Indeed none of the articles is about a weather beacon. A better name would be 'buildings with weather-related features'.
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Years and decades in Castile
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Marcocapelle (
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09:19, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Support but limited to Castile, but at this stage merge to decade in Iberia (covering Portugal, Castile, Aragon and a few other states) and see what that looks like, rather than straight to a Europe category. We can then see what that looks like before merging further.Peterkingiron (
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17:37, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Presumably you are then okay with merging to years in Europe? Creating an entirely new category tree for decades in Iberia is quite a different issue.
Marcocapelle (
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18:20, 18 February 2018 (UTC)reply
Quibble withdrawn -- Sampling suggests that in the medieval period years in Europe (and even an unsplit "years" category) are unlikely to get overpopulated. HoweverI still wonder whether there should not be a third upmerge target:
Category:1120s in Iberia (defined as what is now Spain and Portugal). If this proposed tree proves to have a lot of underpopulated members, we can then delete it.
Peterkingiron (
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21:24, 3 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment I would be opposed to the creation of
Category:1120s in Iberia. Geographic land forms ought not to have a "by year" tree structure. The same goes for the Italian peninsula and the islands of Great Britain, Guinea and Timor. A "by century" structure which mainly draws on the categories of the various political entities within that geographic land form should be adequate.
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13:40, 13 March 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Final Fantasy locations
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Merge - Category was bigger many years ago, but is unlikely to ever expand beyond 2 articles anytime in the forseeable future. --PresN13:10, 27 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: This is a silly category, containing only one sub-cat and a single article, which really doesn't belong in the category, IMO. Just because the word "knee" is in the name of the movie doesn't mean it's "about knees", ferkrisake.
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Delete Fails
WP:NONDEF. Frankly it seems impossible for a work to be "about knees" unless it's some kind of educational documentary, and I doubt any of those are notable.ZXCVBNM (
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Nominator's rationale: This is a superfluous and completely unnecessary category. (It is comprised entirely of one subcategory,
Category:Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.) In the event that there is ever another atomic bombing -- perish the thought -- it can be resurrected at that time. (Assuming, of course, that we don't need resurrecting, ourselves... )
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when an album by a major artist is recorded at home (or any place that is not a commercial studio), the fact is usually (if not should be) mentioned in the lead.
Delete - in the sample of articles I looked at it was clearly non-defining e.g. not mentioned prominently in the lead. In some cases the songs on the album were recorded in a variety of places and/or (e.g. OK Computer) the definition of "
home studio" appears to have been interpreted loosely. Restrict and purge might be an alternative to deletion. DexDor(talk)06:44, 2 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Restricting to albums primarily recorded in a home studio is reasonable, but I don't see how a manor doesn't count (so long as somebody actually uses it as a home).--
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Category:Wikipedia:Gender
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Nominator's rationale:Category:Wikipedia gender is an administration category for pages related to gender on Wikipedia. It is not helpful to further segment it by gender, especially when all three categories are rather lightly populated at the moment. (@
Apokrif: pinging the category creator) --
Black Falcon(
talk)02:42, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
I agree that there is room for expansion, but what is gained by separating pages about systemic bias against women from the broader category for gender on Wikipedia, especially when there are comparatively so few pages related to men. I can see how a split would be helpful if the parent category grows too large, but right now it seems too early to start splitting the category. If kept, the categories should be renamed to
Category:Wikipedia men and
Category:Wikipedia women, per
Wikipedia:Category names#Special conventions. Cheers, --
Black Falcon(
talk)05:28, 1 March 2018 (UTC)reply
Support merge within the project structure, there isn't sufficient content or cause to make this division. Gender rules for real content don't apply to project trees. Also, the parent category surely should be
Category:Wikipedia:Gender, no?
SFB02:37, 18 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:American mixed martial artists of Italian descent
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Nominator's rationale: Overcategorization by ethnicity. Nothing unique about American MMA artists of Italian descent.
TM01:08, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
That was an oversight on my part. I forgot to add the dual merge to the nomination. Thanks for catching it. I've added it to the proposal.--
TM13:39, 26 February 2018 (UTC)reply
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