Category:Places in New Jersey that prohibit the sale of alcohol
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Nominator's rationale:Delete; this is being used as a "current" category; i.e., articles come and go as their laws change, hence it's not defining. At one time, all places in New Jersey (and the 47 other states) prohibited the sale of alcohol - see
Prohibition in the United States..
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22:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dry counties in the United States
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The result of the discussion was:delete. There was not enough support to warrant a list. However, if anyone has interest to create one, I copied the category's contents on the
talk page.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dry counties of Kentucky
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The result of the discussion was:delete. There was not enough support to warrant a list. However, if anyone has interest to create one, I copied the category's contents on the
talk page.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Zamenhof-Esperanto objects
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The result of the discussion was:delete. Headcount has this discussion split down the middle. However, the weight of the arguments ultimately tipped the discussion to delete per
WP:SHAREDNAME. Categories are meant to group pages together by shared characteristics that are defining of their subjects; a share name simply does not suffice to satisfy this aspect of categorization. The content is allowed to be listed elsewhere on Wikipedia, simply not through a category.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep: By a century-long tradition, Zamenhof-Esperanto objects do not have to have a "physical" connection to the language or its creator. "Merely being named after it" is actually enough for an object to qualify as a ZEO. The objects that you suggest should not be in this category are actually all listed as ZEOs in the main article
Zamenhof-Esperanto object (have you read that one?). In addition to this category therefore not being that small, it is also does not have "no potential for growth" (as per the other part of
WP:SMALLCAT). There have been hundreds, perhaps thousands of these objects, and articles on more may eventually come up, such as the square in Vienna (
de:Esperantopark und Girardipark), the Zamenhofpark in Berlin (
de:Zamenhofpark), the Esperanto hotel and congress center in Fulda, Germany, which today accounts for half of the mentions of "Esperanto" in German media (
[1]), or the Esperanto ferry (
fa:اسپرانتو (کشتی)) which is said to be the very first ZEO and linked the Canary Islands for some 70 years. Each of them have a chance of being notable. And I've just added
The Ludwik Zamenhof Centre in Białystok, Poland, which already had an article here. For the record for future readers, let me add that the recent interest in this topic and category has probably been caused by an ongoing site notice campaign to support participation in the
Commons:Wiki Loves ZEOs 2018 photo contest. --
Blahma (
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08:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep: As said
WP:SMALLCAT doesn't fit because the category has a lot of chances to grow, specially in short or middle term thanks to the contest Wiki Loves ZEOs that's running right now. And cataloging them just in "Esperanto culture" is not the best option as all they share common characteristics. Not all of them are Memorials, not all of them are Asteroids, not all of them are Sculptures, but all of them are objects related to Esperanto, its culture, people and its creator Ludoviko Zamenhof as detailed in the book Monument pri Esperanto by Hugo Röllinger. --
Sahaquiel9102 (
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02:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment: Indeed, "Zamenhof/Esperanto object" is itself part of Esperanto culture - the notion having existed for a few decades at least (in 1997, the term "ZEO" was coined, but already the 1934 Esperanto Encyclopedia
had an article titled Stratoj kaj monumentoj listing 54 cities in which Esperanto and/or Zamenhof were honored by Streets and monuments). Since then, there have been
books,
commissions,
solemn inaugurations,
regional lists, recently also
Facebook groups and most recently a
Commons photo contest on this topic. Preventing the objects being categorized as such on Wikipedia, though on seemingly valid grounds, means ignoring that part of Esperanto culture. Esperanto is firstly a language, and a one whose survival is fully dependent on promotion, and therefore it is no wonder that its culture has long been so obsessed with things people have named after it (or its creator). --
Blahma (
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21:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Places in New Jersey that prohibit the sale of alcohol
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Nominator's rationale:Delete; this is being used as a "current" category; i.e., articles come and go as their laws change, hence it's not defining. At one time, all places in New Jersey (and the 47 other states) prohibited the sale of alcohol - see
Prohibition in the United States..
Carlossuarez46 (
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22:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dry counties in the United States
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The result of the discussion was:delete. There was not enough support to warrant a list. However, if anyone has interest to create one, I copied the category's contents on the
talk page.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dry counties of Kentucky
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The result of the discussion was:delete. There was not enough support to warrant a list. However, if anyone has interest to create one, I copied the category's contents on the
talk page.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
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Category:Zamenhof-Esperanto objects
The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's
talk page or in a
deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:delete. Headcount has this discussion split down the middle. However, the weight of the arguments ultimately tipped the discussion to delete per
WP:SHAREDNAME. Categories are meant to group pages together by shared characteristics that are defining of their subjects; a share name simply does not suffice to satisfy this aspect of categorization. The content is allowed to be listed elsewhere on Wikipedia, simply not through a category.
ℯxplicit03:44, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep: By a century-long tradition, Zamenhof-Esperanto objects do not have to have a "physical" connection to the language or its creator. "Merely being named after it" is actually enough for an object to qualify as a ZEO. The objects that you suggest should not be in this category are actually all listed as ZEOs in the main article
Zamenhof-Esperanto object (have you read that one?). In addition to this category therefore not being that small, it is also does not have "no potential for growth" (as per the other part of
WP:SMALLCAT). There have been hundreds, perhaps thousands of these objects, and articles on more may eventually come up, such as the square in Vienna (
de:Esperantopark und Girardipark), the Zamenhofpark in Berlin (
de:Zamenhofpark), the Esperanto hotel and congress center in Fulda, Germany, which today accounts for half of the mentions of "Esperanto" in German media (
[1]), or the Esperanto ferry (
fa:اسپرانتو (کشتی)) which is said to be the very first ZEO and linked the Canary Islands for some 70 years. Each of them have a chance of being notable. And I've just added
The Ludwik Zamenhof Centre in Białystok, Poland, which already had an article here. For the record for future readers, let me add that the recent interest in this topic and category has probably been caused by an ongoing site notice campaign to support participation in the
Commons:Wiki Loves ZEOs 2018 photo contest. --
Blahma (
talk)
08:25, 6 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep: As said
WP:SMALLCAT doesn't fit because the category has a lot of chances to grow, specially in short or middle term thanks to the contest Wiki Loves ZEOs that's running right now. And cataloging them just in "Esperanto culture" is not the best option as all they share common characteristics. Not all of them are Memorials, not all of them are Asteroids, not all of them are Sculptures, but all of them are objects related to Esperanto, its culture, people and its creator Ludoviko Zamenhof as detailed in the book Monument pri Esperanto by Hugo Röllinger. --
Sahaquiel9102 (
talk)
02:31, 7 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment: Indeed, "Zamenhof/Esperanto object" is itself part of Esperanto culture - the notion having existed for a few decades at least (in 1997, the term "ZEO" was coined, but already the 1934 Esperanto Encyclopedia
had an article titled Stratoj kaj monumentoj listing 54 cities in which Esperanto and/or Zamenhof were honored by Streets and monuments). Since then, there have been
books,
commissions,
solemn inaugurations,
regional lists, recently also
Facebook groups and most recently a
Commons photo contest on this topic. Preventing the objects being categorized as such on Wikipedia, though on seemingly valid grounds, means ignoring that part of Esperanto culture. Esperanto is firstly a language, and a one whose survival is fully dependent on promotion, and therefore it is no wonder that its culture has long been so obsessed with things people have named after it (or its creator). --
Blahma (
talk)
21:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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