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Nominator's rationale: None of these pages are people who are of the Anglican Church and no sources claim they are Evangelical Anglicans. They are all members of the
London Missionary Society which is made of up of Evangelical Anglicanism and other reformed denominations. “The London Missionary Society was a missionary society formed in England in 1795 by evangelical Anglicans and various nonconformists. It was largely Reformed in outlook, with Congregational missions in Oceania, Africa, and the Americas, although there were also Presbyterians (notable for their work in China), Methodists, Baptists and various other Protestants involved. It now forms part of the Council for World Mission (CWM).”. None of the articles themselves seem to source that the four individuals pages:
Auna (missionary),
Henry Nott,
George Pritchard (missionary) and
Lancelot Threlkeld were specifically Evangelical Anglican members of the LMS, so it is not appropriate to use these categories on those pages. Not all LMS members to French Polynesia are located in these categories either for example
William Ellis (missionary) is identified as a Congregationalist. I propose deletion and moving the four pages back to generalized Protestant categories.
KAVEBEAR (
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22:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Restructure -- This whole tree contains a total of four articles. All concern
London Missionary Society. My impression is that this was primarily a congregational mission, though the article says others were involved. The missionaries (except a native who was sent to Hawaii) were all English. LMS was responsible for evangelising much of the Pacific. Whether the people were Anglican or Congregationalists in England they were LMS missionaries in the field and founded an LMS-related church. It is much more to the point to call them LMS missionaries, rather than by their English denomination thus
Category:Protestantism in French Polynesia and
Category:London Missionary Society missionaries in French Polynesia and merge the rest into this. I suspect there will be some siblings for LMS missionaries in British protectorates in the Pacific. I know 4 articles is rather small for a category, but I expect there is scope for expansion.
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Nominator's rationale: The scope note is abitrary (not US or Europe). The concept doesn't appear to exist outside of this category.
Fuddle (
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21:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete International conventions should be ones that have a presence in multiple countries not ones outside of certain continents. The two examples they use for rotating conventions are
Worldcon which is primarily held in the US and Europe and
SMOFcon which doesn't appear to ever been held outside of Europe or the US.
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Category:People associated with Conway Hall Ethical Society
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Rename and prune -- Conway Hall was a unitarian church, whose members abandoned faith in favour of humanism. This is thus the origin of the British Humanist Society. As such the Hall and its Society is certainly notable. The question is how to make a satisfactory people category related to that. "Associated" is too vague. People who lectured there occasionally would fail
WP:PERF. Mere society membership is certainly not enough.
Peterkingiron (
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17:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Peterkingiron's comment suggest that this may be a significant group of people, whose involvement in this society is defining because of their historical influence. The category is therefore worth further discussion. I have just tagged the category talk page with WP Philosophy, Religion, UK etc which may spur further participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
FayenaticLondon19:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment on relisting comment, no doubt that this is a significant topic, but the people can also be kept together in a list. The list that is currently in the
Conway Hall Ethical Society article may well be expanded with the members of this category.
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05:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per nomination. I have added all the category members to the lists in the main article, but some of the connections are tenuous or unspecified. During the task I noted that some regular speakers were never formal members, e.g.
Archibald Robertson (atheist), so "members" would not be a suitable alternative category. –
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The result of the discussion was:rename as nominated. The contents are sufficient to retain the national category. A parent category for North America can be added separately. –
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Nominator's rationale: The meaning of 'media' is unclear and there is no corresponding article for SF media conventions.
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Category:American communists of the Stalin era
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Nominator's rationale: Categorization by non-notable intersection. How an American communist is defined by being active during the period in which a ruler was in office in another country is beyond me.
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Category:Smilodon
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The result of the discussion was:procedural close and repopulate, as it was emptied out of process by the nominator, and the page was never tagged with a link to this discussion. –
FayenaticLondon07:22, 30 August 2018 (UTC)reply
It comes down to whether two articles, which were significant sites for finding smilodon fossils, belong in the category or not. SilverTiger is presumably removing them because they aren't themselves smilodons. Yet WP categorization has never been ontologically defining: this is not what category membership implies.
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Category:Dutch Frisian people
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Nominator's rationale:merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, the articles of this category (not the subcat) contain early modern and modern
West Frisians while they were concentrated in the nearly mono-ethnic province of
Friesland. When merged, the medieval subcategory should be removed from the target category (it could still be linked with a See also note).
Marcocapelle (
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09:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep or rename to something else -- I did not vote before, because I was unsure what to do. Dutch Friesland (or West Friesland) is to be distinguished from East Friesland, which is part of Germany. Historically, its people were also people from Friesland, which means that the category is liable to pick up irrelevant articles. The classic case on this is Birmingham (whose categories are at Birmingham, West Midlands), to keep out articles about Alabama. We need to retain a disambiguator in the category name.
Peterkingiron (
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16:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
That is a misunderstanding,
Friesland is a Dutch name of an official Dutch province, never called West Friesland, and is not ambiguous. It might alternatively be called West Frisia in English (although If 'm not sure if that actually happens, the page of
West Frisia is poorly documented), since it is the western part of the unofficial wider coastal region of
Frisia to which
East Frisia and
North Frisia also belong, but certainly not West Friesland.
Marcocapelle (
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21:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Ha! I did not know about that British one. Well, it is a long-standing precedent, and certainly seems comparable. Let's see whether other editors find the idea acceptable. –
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Category:WOW air
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous small category for just the eponym and a destination list. As always, every company does not automatically get one of these just because it exists; it would be warranted if there were a lot of spinoff content that needed this for navigational reasons, but is not needed if all that exists is the standard main article + destination list that every airline always has.
Bearcat (
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17:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak keep - I was going to say delete but I noticed additional things that could go in this category. Four is the bare minimum to keep a category I would say and as it is still operating, I say weak keep.
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Category:Medical Colleges in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NC for this tree is "medical schools", not "medical colleges", and even if it were "medical colleges"
MOS:CAPS would require renaming for the miscapitalization of colleges anyway.
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Category:Action spy films
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Category:Performing arts companies disestablished in 2017
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Nominator's rationale: empty now; 'performing arts' groups have been categorized under broader 'performing arts organizations' both for- and non-profit; ciruces have been categorized as 'entertainment companies'
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cross of Liberty, 4th Class
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Expand Nomination@
K.e.coffman: According to the
main article, this is actually the 5th order decoration with 6th and 7th "Medal" categories below the one you nominated. I don't think we should delete this one without starting at the bottom and adding
6 and
7.
RevelationDirect (
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03:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Support in Principle The vast majority of these are non-Finnish diplomatic and military visitors to Finland who received the award as a perfunctory red carpet treatment. Without a single exception, all the Finnish recipients in this category have also received a higher level of this same award (
example) which means this category also creates
WP:OVERLAPCAT.
RevelationDirect (
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03:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Combined I was bold and combined them here since I think we agree and it will be harder for other editors to weigh in across two threads. To the closing admin/editor, please leave an extra day for full consideration.
RevelationDirect (
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10:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete All without Reservation Partly per
WP:OVERLAPCAT. Every person in the two added categories is already categorized for receiving a grade of this award that is higher than the ones nominated. To see the kind of category clutter this creates, look at the bottom of the
Simo Häyhä article. (The only people who don't follow this model in the original category are foreign diplomats/military officers who received it as part of protocol.)
RevelationDirect (
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10:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Not a reasonable way to categorize articles. Also perhaps delete the 2nd and 3rd class categories as well because they are mass awards. 1st class and Grand Cross are more rare (Grand Cross has been awarded just 40 times). The
Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the Cross of Liberty should probably be renamed though, as the recipients are not crosses. --
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Nominator's rationale: None of these pages are people who are of the Anglican Church and no sources claim they are Evangelical Anglicans. They are all members of the
London Missionary Society which is made of up of Evangelical Anglicanism and other reformed denominations. “The London Missionary Society was a missionary society formed in England in 1795 by evangelical Anglicans and various nonconformists. It was largely Reformed in outlook, with Congregational missions in Oceania, Africa, and the Americas, although there were also Presbyterians (notable for their work in China), Methodists, Baptists and various other Protestants involved. It now forms part of the Council for World Mission (CWM).”. None of the articles themselves seem to source that the four individuals pages:
Auna (missionary),
Henry Nott,
George Pritchard (missionary) and
Lancelot Threlkeld were specifically Evangelical Anglican members of the LMS, so it is not appropriate to use these categories on those pages. Not all LMS members to French Polynesia are located in these categories either for example
William Ellis (missionary) is identified as a Congregationalist. I propose deletion and moving the four pages back to generalized Protestant categories.
KAVEBEAR (
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22:34, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Restructure -- This whole tree contains a total of four articles. All concern
London Missionary Society. My impression is that this was primarily a congregational mission, though the article says others were involved. The missionaries (except a native who was sent to Hawaii) were all English. LMS was responsible for evangelising much of the Pacific. Whether the people were Anglican or Congregationalists in England they were LMS missionaries in the field and founded an LMS-related church. It is much more to the point to call them LMS missionaries, rather than by their English denomination thus
Category:Protestantism in French Polynesia and
Category:London Missionary Society missionaries in French Polynesia and merge the rest into this. I suspect there will be some siblings for LMS missionaries in British protectorates in the Pacific. I know 4 articles is rather small for a category, but I expect there is scope for expansion.
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Nominator's rationale: The scope note is abitrary (not US or Europe). The concept doesn't appear to exist outside of this category.
Fuddle (
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21:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete International conventions should be ones that have a presence in multiple countries not ones outside of certain continents. The two examples they use for rotating conventions are
Worldcon which is primarily held in the US and Europe and
SMOFcon which doesn't appear to ever been held outside of Europe or the US.
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Category:People associated with Conway Hall Ethical Society
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Rename and prune -- Conway Hall was a unitarian church, whose members abandoned faith in favour of humanism. This is thus the origin of the British Humanist Society. As such the Hall and its Society is certainly notable. The question is how to make a satisfactory people category related to that. "Associated" is too vague. People who lectured there occasionally would fail
WP:PERF. Mere society membership is certainly not enough.
Peterkingiron (
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17:55, 15 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Peterkingiron's comment suggest that this may be a significant group of people, whose involvement in this society is defining because of their historical influence. The category is therefore worth further discussion. I have just tagged the category talk page with WP Philosophy, Religion, UK etc which may spur further participation.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –
FayenaticLondon19:44, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment on relisting comment, no doubt that this is a significant topic, but the people can also be kept together in a list. The list that is currently in the
Conway Hall Ethical Society article may well be expanded with the members of this category.
Marcocapelle (
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05:29, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete per nomination. I have added all the category members to the lists in the main article, but some of the connections are tenuous or unspecified. During the task I noted that some regular speakers were never formal members, e.g.
Archibald Robertson (atheist), so "members" would not be a suitable alternative category. –
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Category:Iranian Esperanto Association
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Category:American science fiction conventions
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The result of the discussion was:rename as nominated. The contents are sufficient to retain the national category. A parent category for North America can be added separately. –
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Category:Science fiction media conventions
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Nominator's rationale: The meaning of 'media' is unclear and there is no corresponding article for SF media conventions.
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Category:American communists of the Stalin era
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Nominator's rationale: Categorization by non-notable intersection. How an American communist is defined by being active during the period in which a ruler was in office in another country is beyond me.
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Category:Smilodon
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The result of the discussion was:procedural close and repopulate, as it was emptied out of process by the nominator, and the page was never tagged with a link to this discussion. –
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It comes down to whether two articles, which were significant sites for finding smilodon fossils, belong in the category or not. SilverTiger is presumably removing them because they aren't themselves smilodons. Yet WP categorization has never been ontologically defining: this is not what category membership implies.
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Category:Dutch Frisian people
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Nominator's rationale:merge per
WP:OVERLAPCAT, the articles of this category (not the subcat) contain early modern and modern
West Frisians while they were concentrated in the nearly mono-ethnic province of
Friesland. When merged, the medieval subcategory should be removed from the target category (it could still be linked with a See also note).
Marcocapelle (
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09:08, 4 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep or rename to something else -- I did not vote before, because I was unsure what to do. Dutch Friesland (or West Friesland) is to be distinguished from East Friesland, which is part of Germany. Historically, its people were also people from Friesland, which means that the category is liable to pick up irrelevant articles. The classic case on this is Birmingham (whose categories are at Birmingham, West Midlands), to keep out articles about Alabama. We need to retain a disambiguator in the category name.
Peterkingiron (
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16:14, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
That is a misunderstanding,
Friesland is a Dutch name of an official Dutch province, never called West Friesland, and is not ambiguous. It might alternatively be called West Frisia in English (although If 'm not sure if that actually happens, the page of
West Frisia is poorly documented), since it is the western part of the unofficial wider coastal region of
Frisia to which
East Frisia and
North Frisia also belong, but certainly not West Friesland.
Marcocapelle (
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21:01, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Ha! I did not know about that British one. Well, it is a long-standing precedent, and certainly seems comparable. Let's see whether other editors find the idea acceptable. –
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Category:WOW air
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Nominator's rationale:Eponymous small category for just the eponym and a destination list. As always, every company does not automatically get one of these just because it exists; it would be warranted if there were a lot of spinoff content that needed this for navigational reasons, but is not needed if all that exists is the standard main article + destination list that every airline always has.
Bearcat (
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17:05, 28 July 2018 (UTC)reply
Weak keep - I was going to say delete but I noticed additional things that could go in this category. Four is the bare minimum to keep a category I would say and as it is still operating, I say weak keep.
—МандичкаYO 😜
17:36, 28 July 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Medical Colleges in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa
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Nominator's rationale:WP:NC for this tree is "medical schools", not "medical colleges", and even if it were "medical colleges"
MOS:CAPS would require renaming for the miscapitalization of colleges anyway.
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Category:Action spy films
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Category:Performing arts companies disestablished in 2017
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Nominator's rationale: empty now; 'performing arts' groups have been categorized under broader 'performing arts organizations' both for- and non-profit; ciruces have been categorized as 'entertainment companies'
Doprendek (
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01:45, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of the Cross of Liberty, 4th Class
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K.e.coffman: According to the
main article, this is actually the 5th order decoration with 6th and 7th "Medal" categories below the one you nominated. I don't think we should delete this one without starting at the bottom and adding
6 and
7.
RevelationDirect (
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03:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Support in Principle The vast majority of these are non-Finnish diplomatic and military visitors to Finland who received the award as a perfunctory red carpet treatment. Without a single exception, all the Finnish recipients in this category have also received a higher level of this same award (
example) which means this category also creates
WP:OVERLAPCAT.
RevelationDirect (
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03:38, 13 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Combined I was bold and combined them here since I think we agree and it will be harder for other editors to weigh in across two threads. To the closing admin/editor, please leave an extra day for full consideration.
RevelationDirect (
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10:49, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete All without Reservation Partly per
WP:OVERLAPCAT. Every person in the two added categories is already categorized for receiving a grade of this award that is higher than the ones nominated. To see the kind of category clutter this creates, look at the bottom of the
Simo Häyhä article. (The only people who don't follow this model in the original category are foreign diplomats/military officers who received it as part of protocol.)
RevelationDirect (
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10:59, 14 August 2018 (UTC)reply
Delete Not a reasonable way to categorize articles. Also perhaps delete the 2nd and 3rd class categories as well because they are mass awards. 1st class and Grand Cross are more rare (Grand Cross has been awarded just 40 times). The
Category:Grand Crosses of the Order of the Cross of Liberty should probably be renamed though, as the recipients are not crosses. --
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08:32, 16 August 2018 (UTC)reply
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