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August 12

Category:Wildlife of Shetland

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The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 11:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: More standard category name - e.g. for consistency with Category:Biota of Orkney. Example previous similar CFD. DexDor (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anthropology of education

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The result of the discussion was: speedy move. czar 20:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: only one article Rathfelder ( talk) 19:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Yep czar 20:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Education enrollment

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 12#Category:Education enrollment. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder ( talk) 19:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Films about special forces

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 23#Category:Films about special forces. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only featured one subcategory, which wasn't even an accurate subcategory, so I removed it. The only existing subcategory that *could* accurately be placed here is Category:United States Army Special Forces in films. I'm sure that there are films featuring non-American special forces, and if categories ever get made for those films, then having a "Films about special forces" parent category could be useful. But for the time being, having both of these categories is redundant. -- Jpcase ( talk) 14:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Also - I'm not a military expert and can't say for sure what the term "special forces" refers to outside the US. In the American military, "Special Operations Forces" refers to various groups within the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force, while "Special Forces" exclusively refers to a single group within the Army. I'm pretty sure that most other countries use the term "Special Forces" synonymously with how the US uses the term "Special Operations Forces". So an explanation of what's covered under Category:Films about special forces should probably be added to the top of that page, if the category is kept. -- Jpcase ( talk) 17:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete suffers the usual problems of the "films about" categories: objectively define how much about special forces a film must be to be included, and what reliable sources say it's at least that much. Moreover, "special forces" is itself an ill-defined concept: are SS-Sonderkommandos and Einsatzgruppen included? what about James Bond 007 or Jason Bourne or Jack Ryan? Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 18:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
If the category is kept, then I would suggest renaming it Category:Special forces in films, that way we could avoid debates over whether a film is *about* special forces, and instead, the category could simply include any films that *feature* special forces. I agree that "special forces" is a nebulous term though, so there would certainly have to be some discussion over what the category's scope should be. -- Jpcase ( talk) 18:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose delete for this particular reason (while I'm neutral about deleting for other reasons) and oppose alternative name. "Films about" is exactly right, as the category is about categorizing films for which this is a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Eponymous clothing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categories are for grouping articles about similar topics - not for grouping articles whose title has a particular characteristic (see, for example, the loanwords CFDs). For example, the article about the Trilby should be, and is, in Category:Hats, but does not need to be categorized with articles such as Plimsoll shoe and Richard Nixon mask.  If the Wellington boot article was named Rubber boot (as it is in Fr wp, De wp etc) then presumably it wouldn't be eligible to be in the category.  See also previous CFDs (e.g. in July). DexDor (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
The nom isn't about SMALLCAT. DexDor (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
That may be a good reason for mentioning the etymology in the articles (or linking to Wiktionary), but is it really a defining characteristic of the topic? And do articles about shoes, hats etc belong in Category:Linguistics etc? DexDor (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Railway schools

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The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering 11:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All these schools were in India when they were founded, and all but one still are. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Elementary middle schools

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The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A US name for middle schools. Middle schools are inherently an uncertain concept. Calling them elementary doesn't seem helpful or defining. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Medieval Germany

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just a single article in every category. Note that this is not a nomination to discuss anachronism (Germany versus Holy Roman Empire), for such a discussion there should be a nomination of centuries and decades as well. The only thing that will happen with this proposal is that Germany and the Holy Roman Empire will become consistently categorized (i.e. by decade in the Middle Ages, by year thereafter), which might be of help to set up a future anachronism discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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August 12

Category:Wildlife of Shetland

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Rename. Timrollpickering 11:25, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: More standard category name - e.g. for consistency with Category:Biota of Orkney. Example previous similar CFD. DexDor (talk) 20:33, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Anthropology of education

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The result of the discussion was: speedy move. czar 20:21, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: only one article Rathfelder ( talk) 19:08, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Yep czar 20:00, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Education enrollment

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 12#Category:Education enrollment. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only one article Rathfelder ( talk) 19:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Films about special forces

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 August 23#Category:Films about special forces. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Only featured one subcategory, which wasn't even an accurate subcategory, so I removed it. The only existing subcategory that *could* accurately be placed here is Category:United States Army Special Forces in films. I'm sure that there are films featuring non-American special forces, and if categories ever get made for those films, then having a "Films about special forces" parent category could be useful. But for the time being, having both of these categories is redundant. -- Jpcase ( talk) 14:56, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Also - I'm not a military expert and can't say for sure what the term "special forces" refers to outside the US. In the American military, "Special Operations Forces" refers to various groups within the Army, Marine Corps, Navy, and Air Force, while "Special Forces" exclusively refers to a single group within the Army. I'm pretty sure that most other countries use the term "Special Forces" synonymously with how the US uses the term "Special Operations Forces". So an explanation of what's covered under Category:Films about special forces should probably be added to the top of that page, if the category is kept. -- Jpcase ( talk) 17:22, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Delete suffers the usual problems of the "films about" categories: objectively define how much about special forces a film must be to be included, and what reliable sources say it's at least that much. Moreover, "special forces" is itself an ill-defined concept: are SS-Sonderkommandos and Einsatzgruppen included? what about James Bond 007 or Jason Bourne or Jack Ryan? Carlossuarez46 ( talk) 18:18, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
If the category is kept, then I would suggest renaming it Category:Special forces in films, that way we could avoid debates over whether a film is *about* special forces, and instead, the category could simply include any films that *feature* special forces. I agree that "special forces" is a nebulous term though, so there would certainly have to be some discussion over what the category's scope should be. -- Jpcase ( talk) 18:46, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
  • Oppose delete for this particular reason (while I'm neutral about deleting for other reasons) and oppose alternative name. "Films about" is exactly right, as the category is about categorizing films for which this is a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Eponymous clothing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: Categories are for grouping articles about similar topics - not for grouping articles whose title has a particular characteristic (see, for example, the loanwords CFDs). For example, the article about the Trilby should be, and is, in Category:Hats, but does not need to be categorized with articles such as Plimsoll shoe and Richard Nixon mask.  If the Wellington boot article was named Rubber boot (as it is in Fr wp, De wp etc) then presumably it wouldn't be eligible to be in the category.  See also previous CFDs (e.g. in July). DexDor (talk) 14:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply
The nom isn't about SMALLCAT. DexDor (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply
That may be a good reason for mentioning the etymology in the articles (or linking to Wiktionary), but is it really a defining characteristic of the topic? And do articles about shoes, hats etc belong in Category:Linguistics etc? DexDor (talk) 16:59, 13 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Railway schools

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: Keep. Timrollpickering 11:26, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: All these schools were in India when they were founded, and all but one still are. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:11, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Category:Elementary middle schools

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge ( non-admin closure). Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:30, 22 August 2018 (UTC) reply
Nominator's rationale: A US name for middle schools. Middle schools are inherently an uncertain concept. Calling them elementary doesn't seem helpful or defining. Rathfelder ( talk) 09:01, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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Medieval Germany

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The result of the discussion was: merge and delete. xplicit 05:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC) reply
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, mostly just a single article in every category. Note that this is not a nomination to discuss anachronism (Germany versus Holy Roman Empire), for such a discussion there should be a nomination of centuries and decades as well. The only thing that will happen with this proposal is that Germany and the Holy Roman Empire will become consistently categorized (i.e. by decade in the Middle Ages, by year thereafter), which might be of help to set up a future anachronism discussion. Marcocapelle ( talk) 06:29, 12 August 2018 (UTC) reply

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