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As it's currently used, I agree, merge - but I can see the potential use for this for war cemeteries etc. There are WWI cemeteries in Belgium for British troops, for instance.
Grutness...wha?02:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Support -- (it currently is Serbia only) but I did not go through all the royal subcats to make sure that there are none are outside Serbia, for example where a king died in exile.
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Category:Boycotts of television
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. (@
Wumbolo: a nomination such as this has little chance of success unless you supply a reason why you believe it has no potential for growth. Assertion is not reasoning.) --
BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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02:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep I am unconvinced
WP:SMALLCAT applies; I suspect a little research would reveal there have been innumerable boycotts of television shows, but admittedly few of them merit a Wikipedia article.
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Category:Tent cities
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Nominator's rationale: Most
tent cities become
shanty towns over time and are better described as such by the time they merit a Wikipedia page. Difference in definition is minimal. Note: I removed
Category:Intentional communities from this category because it seemed better to apply to the articles themselves and let editors there make the call on whether it was appropriate. That may have been the basis of another editor's distinction.
Daask (
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20:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep See below for new Daask plan at this category name per the Civil Rights Movement's
Poor People's Campaign which was a temporary tent city but not a shanty town. I also added
Burning Man to the category, which is a yearly event using well-organized tent city structured "neighborhoods", and added back the category 'Intentional communities' as self-explanatory.
Randy Kryn (
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11:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Sm8900,
Randy Kryn, and
Hmains: From the articles for these topics, it looks like a
shanty town is any settlement of improvised housing structures, and a
tent city is any settlement of temporary housing structures. These definitions are just too similar to clearly differentiate.
That said, let's look at the articles in question. From the pictures, it's not apparent to me that
Dignity Village strictly belongs in either definition in its current form. I reckon
Right 2 Dream Toofits in both. Far from being temporary,
Tent City (Tennessee) lasted for about two years, and I can only presume that it was largely improvised given its sudden creation and large population.
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Category:Skyscrapers in Phoenix, Arizona
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Nominator's rationale: According to
our article, a skyscraper is more that 40 stories. Phoenix has none; every building in this category is 40 stories or under.
MB18:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - according to the article, many early skyscrapers are/were well below 40 storeys in height - and those still in existence are often still described as such due to their method of construction (especially those belonging to the Chicago school of architecture. However, some tightening of the criteria for this category is probably necessary.
Grutness...wha?01:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Sure, but all the tall building in Phoenix are in the 20-40 story range and all post 1960 - so none would of these would ever have been true "skyscrapers" using the contemporary definition when they were built. It seems to me that if the definition has changed over time, a category usage should match the present definition.
MB02:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Then the whole category tree should be renamed to high-rise buildings. WP should not categorize articles incorrectly; if others categories are as incorrect as "Skyscrapers in Phoenix, Arizona", renaming them all would be the best solution. Since "skyscrapers" are also high-rises ("A very tall high-rise building is referred to as a skyscraper"), then just calling them "high-rises" covers everything neatly, including buildings that may have been called skyscrapers when they were build but no longer fit the definition. A few subcategories could still be created for true "skyscrapers" where warranted.
MB23:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Purge (including subcategories), if this means they will become empty, so be it. Creating another buildings tree with a subjective inclusion criterion, next to skyscrapers, would not not be very helpful.
Marcocapelle (
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13:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle, please clarify. I don't understand what you mean here. The characterization of whether a building is a "skyscraper" is a bit subjective - but whether a building is a "high-rise" is much less so. No one has suggested another "buildings tree".
MB13:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
as with many things, there is no specific answer to this just as there is no "official" definition of a skyscraper. But all skyscrapers clearly are also high-rises, so renaming the category tree from skyscraper to high-rise can't possibly mis-characterize anything.
MB01:10, 14 April 2018 (UTC)reply
That was exactly my point: yet another type of category with subjective inclusion criteria (high rise buildings) is one too much. Just buildings is good enough.
Marcocapelle (
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19:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment If people want to implement the 40-stories rule, then we should work to purge those buildings that are less than that from categories. It does not require a rename or any action here.
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22:56, 28 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Cults in France
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Nominator's rationale:split, this is a hodgepodge, two articles are about religion in France only (
Cult of Reason and
Cult of the Supreme Being), the term 'cult' of these two articles are completely different from the current meaning of the term; one article is about cult only and not about religion (
People's Mujahedin of Iran); and the other two are certainly about cults and more implicitly about religion.
Marcocapelle (
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Marcocapelle (
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16:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Perhaps the aim of this category could be made more explicit (and the two articles you mention could be removed from it): it is (or should be) about "cults" in a derogatory sense, or with the meaning of "new religious movement". See
Category:Cults.
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Category:Vennandur block
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Weird deletion rationale by nominator, no responses. @
Mark the train: unless you explain why you think the page doesn't actually serve the purpose of a category, then the nomination is a waste of time.--
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00:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ivanovism
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Comment Our article on
Ivanovism is a stub, but claims that this is a religious movement based on
syncretism. In this case blending ideas from
Neopaganism and
Christianity. The founder
Porfiry Ivanov also had some unorthodox ideas concerning health practices: "Ivanov promoted Detka, a health system that included dousing. He based this system on the belief that it was healthy to remove one's clothing while outdoors in cold weather, in order to become closer to nature. Ivanov also advocated swimming in icy water, a belief that has been applied to the practice of ice swimming." The first thing that comes to mind with that kind of advice is
hypothermia.
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As it's currently used, I agree, merge - but I can see the potential use for this for war cemeteries etc. There are WWI cemeteries in Belgium for British troops, for instance.
Grutness...wha?02:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Support -- (it currently is Serbia only) but I did not go through all the royal subcats to make sure that there are none are outside Serbia, for example where a king died in exile.
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15:53, 15 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Boycotts of television
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. (@
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BrownHairedGirl(talk) • (
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02:39, 17 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep I am unconvinced
WP:SMALLCAT applies; I suspect a little research would reveal there have been innumerable boycotts of television shows, but admittedly few of them merit a Wikipedia article.
Daask (
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13:24, 16 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Tent cities
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Nominator's rationale: Most
tent cities become
shanty towns over time and are better described as such by the time they merit a Wikipedia page. Difference in definition is minimal. Note: I removed
Category:Intentional communities from this category because it seemed better to apply to the articles themselves and let editors there make the call on whether it was appropriate. That may have been the basis of another editor's distinction.
Daask (
talk)
20:52, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Keep See below for new Daask plan at this category name per the Civil Rights Movement's
Poor People's Campaign which was a temporary tent city but not a shanty town. I also added
Burning Man to the category, which is a yearly event using well-organized tent city structured "neighborhoods", and added back the category 'Intentional communities' as self-explanatory.
Randy Kryn (
talk)
11:22, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment@
Sm8900,
Randy Kryn, and
Hmains: From the articles for these topics, it looks like a
shanty town is any settlement of improvised housing structures, and a
tent city is any settlement of temporary housing structures. These definitions are just too similar to clearly differentiate.
That said, let's look at the articles in question. From the pictures, it's not apparent to me that
Dignity Village strictly belongs in either definition in its current form. I reckon
Right 2 Dream Toofits in both. Far from being temporary,
Tent City (Tennessee) lasted for about two years, and I can only presume that it was largely improvised given its sudden creation and large population.
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Category:Skyscrapers in Phoenix, Arizona
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Nominator's rationale: According to
our article, a skyscraper is more that 40 stories. Phoenix has none; every building in this category is 40 stories or under.
MB18:42, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment - according to the article, many early skyscrapers are/were well below 40 storeys in height - and those still in existence are often still described as such due to their method of construction (especially those belonging to the Chicago school of architecture. However, some tightening of the criteria for this category is probably necessary.
Grutness...wha?01:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Sure, but all the tall building in Phoenix are in the 20-40 story range and all post 1960 - so none would of these would ever have been true "skyscrapers" using the contemporary definition when they were built. It seems to me that if the definition has changed over time, a category usage should match the present definition.
MB02:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Then the whole category tree should be renamed to high-rise buildings. WP should not categorize articles incorrectly; if others categories are as incorrect as "Skyscrapers in Phoenix, Arizona", renaming them all would be the best solution. Since "skyscrapers" are also high-rises ("A very tall high-rise building is referred to as a skyscraper"), then just calling them "high-rises" covers everything neatly, including buildings that may have been called skyscrapers when they were build but no longer fit the definition. A few subcategories could still be created for true "skyscrapers" where warranted.
MB23:26, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Purge (including subcategories), if this means they will become empty, so be it. Creating another buildings tree with a subjective inclusion criterion, next to skyscrapers, would not not be very helpful.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
13:17, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle, please clarify. I don't understand what you mean here. The characterization of whether a building is a "skyscraper" is a bit subjective - but whether a building is a "high-rise" is much less so. No one has suggested another "buildings tree".
MB13:47, 12 April 2018 (UTC)reply
as with many things, there is no specific answer to this just as there is no "official" definition of a skyscraper. But all skyscrapers clearly are also high-rises, so renaming the category tree from skyscraper to high-rise can't possibly mis-characterize anything.
MB01:10, 14 April 2018 (UTC)reply
That was exactly my point: yet another type of category with subjective inclusion criteria (high rise buildings) is one too much. Just buildings is good enough.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
19:18, 15 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment If people want to implement the 40-stories rule, then we should work to purge those buildings that are less than that from categories. It does not require a rename or any action here.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
22:56, 28 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Cults in France
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Nominator's rationale:split, this is a hodgepodge, two articles are about religion in France only (
Cult of Reason and
Cult of the Supreme Being), the term 'cult' of these two articles are completely different from the current meaning of the term; one article is about cult only and not about religion (
People's Mujahedin of Iran); and the other two are certainly about cults and more implicitly about religion.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 16:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)
Marcocapelle (
talk)
16:30, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
Perhaps the aim of this category could be made more explicit (and the two articles you mention could be removed from it): it is (or should be) about "cults" in a derogatory sense, or with the meaning of "new religious movement". See
Category:Cults.
Apokrif (
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12:13, 10 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Vennandur block
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. Weird deletion rationale by nominator, no responses. @
Mark the train: unless you explain why you think the page doesn't actually serve the purpose of a category, then the nomination is a waste of time.--
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00:43, 17 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ivanovism
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Comment Our article on
Ivanovism is a stub, but claims that this is a religious movement based on
syncretism. In this case blending ideas from
Neopaganism and
Christianity. The founder
Porfiry Ivanov also had some unorthodox ideas concerning health practices: "Ivanov promoted Detka, a health system that included dousing. He based this system on the belief that it was healthy to remove one's clothing while outdoors in cold weather, in order to become closer to nature. Ivanov also advocated swimming in icy water, a belief that has been applied to the practice of ice swimming." The first thing that comes to mind with that kind of advice is
hypothermia.
Dimadick (
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07:02, 9 April 2018 (UTC)reply
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