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The result of the discussion was:merge.
ℯxplicit 02:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. In theory the category could be kept as a former company category, but there is too little content that exclusively refers to CSR until 2015.
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Category:China CNR Corporation
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ℯxplicit 02:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. In theory the category could be kept as a former company category, but there is too little content that exclusively refers to China CNR until 2015.
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Category:Companies founded by Jennifer Lopez
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Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme of
Category:Companies by founder and these are presently categorized as "works" which is not accurate. Upmerging to the parent would not make it unnavigable. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 23:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge and also
Category:Works by Jennifer Lopez. I would normally have suggested that as target, but (despite the present parent) companies are not works, and I am not sure that applies to perfumes either.
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Merge as nominated, so not to works. As commented, companies don't count as (intellectual) works.
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Category:Woodland period of North America
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Nominator's rationale: Parallelism with other North American archaeological categories, including
Category:Archaic period in North America,
Category:Post-Archaic period in North America,
Category:Southwest periods in North America by Pecos classification, and
Category:Formative period in the Americas. I'm unaware of any other North American archaeological categories that use "of", aside from
Category:Late Prehistoric period of North America. When one category has a name format that's different from most of the others, people are likely to use the wrong format; see
[1],
[2], and
[3], in each of which I incorrectly added "Woodland period in North America" to articles. Of course, it's fine if we have solid reasoning, e.g. because the topic
commonly has a name that's different from the names of similar topics, but that's not the case here; "of/in North America" is merely descriptive, since the scholars in the field, who write only in a North American context and therefore don't need to specify the geo-context, simply use "Woodland period", "Archaic period", etc.
Since the article's title is
Woodland period, I'd be all right with a rename to
Category:Woodland period if there's no need for a location at all, but please note that the article's intro begins "In the classification of Archaeological cultures of North America, the Woodland period of North American pre-Columbian cultures...", which makes me think that there's a chance of ambiguity in the name, and please remember that categories sometimes need to have names more precise than those of their articles. [Note that both
Woodland period in North America and
Woodland period of North America are nonexistent.] No comment on whether that's the case here; I just wanted to raise that as an alternate option.
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History by location and period
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Rename; I think the current name is better, but as I say up above in the Woodland period nomination, having different name formats is confusing an dunhelpful.
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Category:Post-mortem
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Nominator's rationale: This duplicates the Forensic pathology category, as well as other subcats of
Category:Forensics. I'm not sure what "Post-mortem" is even supposed to mean in terms of describing a category of articles. Sandstein 14:01, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge; "Category:Adjective" is almost always a bad idea (even if it doesn't duplicate anything), since almost always it won't have a clear scope.
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Support -- Strictly the present category is about an Examination Post Mortem. In England, this is required for unexplained deaths. The coroner can also certify a death in a case where an inquest might be required "without inquest", where the cause is obvious and natural. I suspect the practice arose from holding inquests to discover if there was a
deodand, a chattel that caused death and was forfeit to the crown. There was also an
Inquisition post mortem (until 1640) to determine whether the deceased held land of the crown in chief, so that the crown might be entitled to a wardship or a relief.
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Category:17th-century Jewish physicians of the Ottoman Empire
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Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, these are four categories that contain one and the same biography, of
Tobias Cohn. Note that this article is already directly included in most of the parents of the categories that are nominated.
Marcocapelle (
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Support -- this is another case of category twigs, not trees.
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Category:Medieval Ottoman astronomers
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Black Falcon(
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Upmerge per nom. A minute intersection.
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Category:Performers of Christian music by genre
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Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge as an unnecessary category layer, taking in mind the very limited amount of content of the category.
Marcocapelle (
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Support -- This is an unnecessary layer. They will fit well in the parent. If we had 10 genres, I might have said different. The target already has a few genres in it.
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Category:Fictional anti-tank weapons
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEF, none of the articles in this category are defined by their anti tank abilities. There are fictional vehicles that happen to have that capability, and energy rays that could be used for that. Compare and contrast to the articles in
Category:Anti-tank weapons, all of which are specifically made to destroy tanks. ZXCVBNM (
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Comment I have added Wikiproject templates to the talk page of the category. That might increase participation in the discussion.
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Category:Honduran female weightlifters
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Nominator's rationale: Delete until articles are created that can populate this. Currently there are none. I did a PetScan for the subset of
Category:Honduran people,
Category:Women and
Category:Weightlifters with a depth of 10 subcategories, and all I got was this category itself. No prejudice against recreation with population. —Mr. Guye (
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Speedy delete We have had an enormous number of these empty categories due to the mass-creation and subsequent deletion of unsourced BLP stubs on athletes. I and other editors have been trying to clean up the mess left behind. Unfortunately there are a still remaining within the category trees.
AusLondonder (
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G8 speedy deleted; a category's dependent on the articles placed into it, and deleting the articles (
Tumy Gomez is the only one I can find) means that the category's dependent on deleted or nonexistent pages.
Nyttend (
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Just for my own interest, I was going to attempt to re-populate this with anyone who'd been at the Olympics, but Honduras has only sent
two men in weightlifting to date. LugnutsFire Walk with Me 08:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Excellence (Jamaica)
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Delete -- These diplomatic awards are a category menace. We have OCAWARD to prevent the category clutter that AWARDS like these cause.
Peterkingiron (
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Delete, as too small, but not for any reasons of the nominator. Was leaning “Keep per Wp:CLS and a parent article”, dismissing the “not defining” arguments. A very important award. One recipient being over-awarded leading into to one article’s category clutter demands a different solution, not pruning of categories with navigational functionality. However, there are too few awardees. I recommend re-creation after there are ten or more awardees. —
SmokeyJoe (
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This doesn't fit the text of
Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Small_with_no_potential_for_growth aka SMALLCAT, as there is potential for growth. Flexible reading is required. This is a rarely used award, with little likelihood of growth. And if there were to be unexpected growth, it would very likely be associated with a change in the use of the award. --
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Category:Recipients of Gawad Mabini
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Being a diplomat or high ranking official for the Philippines is absolutely defining which is why we have
Category:Filipino diplomats and similar categories. Also categorizing those same people by this
this career award for that service seems redundant. Of the 14 biography articles in this category, 10 don't mention the award at all, 3 only in passing (
1,
2,
3) and one in the introduction (
1). Should any reader want this information, there is a template
here and I already listified the contents
here. -
RevelationDirect (
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Delete -- These awards (here effectively long service awards) are a category menace. We have OCAWARD to prevent the category clutter that AWARDS like these cause.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 13:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. Appears to be awarded for merit and not to just be an award for long service. If anyone can provide any evidence that it is not awarded for merit then please do so. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)reply
It seems to be awarded for careers successfully organizing conferences, setting up a job program in a foreign embassy, economic negotiations and the like so not automatic but nothing outside the normal duties of an ambassador.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Irrelevant. If it's not awarded to every ambassador or just for length of service then it's awarded for merit. Just like the OBE or Légion d'honneur. And we categorise such awards. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Just providing background information about the award. (We continue to respectfully disagree about whether all awards for "merit" automatically warrant a category.)
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The result of the discussion was:merge.
ℯxplicit 02:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. In theory the category could be kept as a former company category, but there is too little content that exclusively refers to CSR until 2015.
Marcocapelle (
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Category:China CNR Corporation
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ℯxplicit 02:43, 16 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. In theory the category could be kept as a former company category, but there is too little content that exclusively refers to China CNR until 2015.
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Category:Companies founded by Jennifer Lopez
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Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale: There is no scheme of
Category:Companies by founder and these are presently categorized as "works" which is not accurate. Upmerging to the parent would not make it unnavigable. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯ 23:07, 17 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge and also
Category:Works by Jennifer Lopez. I would normally have suggested that as target, but (despite the present parent) companies are not works, and I am not sure that applies to perfumes either.
Peterkingiron (
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Merge as nominated, so not to works. As commented, companies don't count as (intellectual) works.
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Category:Woodland period of North America
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Nominator's rationale: Parallelism with other North American archaeological categories, including
Category:Archaic period in North America,
Category:Post-Archaic period in North America,
Category:Southwest periods in North America by Pecos classification, and
Category:Formative period in the Americas. I'm unaware of any other North American archaeological categories that use "of", aside from
Category:Late Prehistoric period of North America. When one category has a name format that's different from most of the others, people are likely to use the wrong format; see
[1],
[2], and
[3], in each of which I incorrectly added "Woodland period in North America" to articles. Of course, it's fine if we have solid reasoning, e.g. because the topic
commonly has a name that's different from the names of similar topics, but that's not the case here; "of/in North America" is merely descriptive, since the scholars in the field, who write only in a North American context and therefore don't need to specify the geo-context, simply use "Woodland period", "Archaic period", etc.
Since the article's title is
Woodland period, I'd be all right with a rename to
Category:Woodland period if there's no need for a location at all, but please note that the article's intro begins "In the classification of Archaeological cultures of North America, the Woodland period of North American pre-Columbian cultures...", which makes me think that there's a chance of ambiguity in the name, and please remember that categories sometimes need to have names more precise than those of their articles. [Note that both
Woodland period in North America and
Woodland period of North America are nonexistent.] No comment on whether that's the case here; I just wanted to raise that as an alternate option.
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History by location and period
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The result of the discussion was:rename. --
Black Falcon(
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Rename; I think the current name is better, but as I say up above in the Woodland period nomination, having different name formats is confusing an dunhelpful.
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Category:Post-mortem
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Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale: This duplicates the Forensic pathology category, as well as other subcats of
Category:Forensics. I'm not sure what "Post-mortem" is even supposed to mean in terms of describing a category of articles. Sandstein 14:01, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge; "Category:Adjective" is almost always a bad idea (even if it doesn't duplicate anything), since almost always it won't have a clear scope.
Nyttend (
talk) 21:18, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- Strictly the present category is about an Examination Post Mortem. In England, this is required for unexplained deaths. The coroner can also certify a death in a case where an inquest might be required "without inquest", where the cause is obvious and natural. I suspect the practice arose from holding inquests to discover if there was a
deodand, a chattel that caused death and was forfeit to the crown. There was also an
Inquisition post mortem (until 1640) to determine whether the deceased held land of the crown in chief, so that the crown might be entitled to a wardship or a relief.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:17th-century Jewish physicians of the Ottoman Empire
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The result of the discussion was:merge. --
Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT, these are four categories that contain one and the same biography, of
Tobias Cohn. Note that this article is already directly included in most of the parents of the categories that are nominated.
Marcocapelle (
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Support -- this is another case of category twigs, not trees.
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Category:Medieval Ottoman astronomers
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Black Falcon(
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Upmerge per nom. A minute intersection.
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Category:Performers of Christian music by genre
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The result of the discussion was:merge. --
Black Falcon(
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge as an unnecessary category layer, taking in mind the very limited amount of content of the category.
Marcocapelle (
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Support -- This is an unnecessary layer. They will fit well in the parent. If we had 10 genres, I might have said different. The target already has a few genres in it.
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Category:Fictional anti-tank weapons
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Nominator's rationale: Per
WP:NONDEF, none of the articles in this category are defined by their anti tank abilities. There are fictional vehicles that happen to have that capability, and energy rays that could be used for that. Compare and contrast to the articles in
Category:Anti-tank weapons, all of which are specifically made to destroy tanks. ZXCVBNM (
TALK) 15:14, 15 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I have added Wikiproject templates to the talk page of the category. That might increase participation in the discussion.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,
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Category:Honduran female weightlifters
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Nominator's rationale: Delete until articles are created that can populate this. Currently there are none. I did a PetScan for the subset of
Category:Honduran people,
Category:Women and
Category:Weightlifters with a depth of 10 subcategories, and all I got was this category itself. No prejudice against recreation with population. —Mr. Guye (
talk) (
contribs) 00:32, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Speedy delete We have had an enormous number of these empty categories due to the mass-creation and subsequent deletion of unsourced BLP stubs on athletes. I and other editors have been trying to clean up the mess left behind. Unfortunately there are a still remaining within the category trees.
AusLondonder (
talk) 10:09, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
G8 speedy deleted; a category's dependent on the articles placed into it, and deleting the articles (
Tumy Gomez is the only one I can find) means that the category's dependent on deleted or nonexistent pages.
Nyttend (
talk) 21:15, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Just for my own interest, I was going to attempt to re-populate this with anyone who'd been at the Olympics, but Honduras has only sent
two men in weightlifting to date. LugnutsFire Walk with Me 08:12, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of the Order of Excellence (Jamaica)
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Delete -- These diplomatic awards are a category menace. We have OCAWARD to prevent the category clutter that AWARDS like these cause.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 13:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, as too small, but not for any reasons of the nominator. Was leaning “Keep per Wp:CLS and a parent article”, dismissing the “not defining” arguments. A very important award. One recipient being over-awarded leading into to one article’s category clutter demands a different solution, not pruning of categories with navigational functionality. However, there are too few awardees. I recommend re-creation after there are ten or more awardees. —
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 20:42, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
This doesn't fit the text of
Wikipedia:Overcategorization#Small_with_no_potential_for_growth aka SMALLCAT, as there is potential for growth. Flexible reading is required. This is a rarely used award, with little likelihood of growth. And if there were to be unexpected growth, it would very likely be associated with a change in the use of the award. --
SmokeyJoe (
talk) 00:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Recipients of Gawad Mabini
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Being a diplomat or high ranking official for the Philippines is absolutely defining which is why we have
Category:Filipino diplomats and similar categories. Also categorizing those same people by this
this career award for that service seems redundant. Of the 14 biography articles in this category, 10 don't mention the award at all, 3 only in passing (
1,
2,
3) and one in the introduction (
1). Should any reader want this information, there is a template
here and I already listified the contents
here. -
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:28, 7 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete -- These awards (here effectively long service awards) are a category menace. We have OCAWARD to prevent the category clutter that AWARDS like these cause.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 13:29, 8 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. Appears to be awarded for merit and not to just be an award for long service. If anyone can provide any evidence that it is not awarded for merit then please do so. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 13:55, 9 October 2017 (UTC)reply
It seems to be awarded for careers successfully organizing conferences, setting up a job program in a foreign embassy, economic negotiations and the like so not automatic but nothing outside the normal duties of an ambassador.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 00:25, 10 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Irrelevant. If it's not awarded to every ambassador or just for length of service then it's awarded for merit. Just like the OBE or Légion d'honneur. And we categorise such awards. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:42, 10 October 2017 (UTC)reply
Just providing background information about the award. (We continue to respectfully disagree about whether all awards for "merit" automatically warrant a category.)
RevelationDirect (
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