Category:4th-century establishments in Central America
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The result of the discussion was:rename/merge as nominated. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 22:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Establishments by continent up to 5th century were merged to worldwide categories, so there is no other Central America category before 6th century. However, we kept the hierarchy
1st-millennium establishments in the Maya civilization, which is missing a 4th-century category. As for
Category:3rd-century establishments in Guatemala with a single member, it seems appropriate to merge this to the corresponding Maya category. –
FayenaticLondon 15:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support renaming of 4th-century category... but surely the 3rd-century category should be part of the trees of both Mayan civilisation and Guatemalan history and as such should be kept as is.
Grutness...wha? 00:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. With respect to categorizations of establishments by modern country, discussions are going on and on about it, especially because it often concerns establishments of things that still exist in the modern country. Some past discussions are:
By and large I think we have insufficient consensus to remove past establishments from current country trees.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:33, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support These involve imposing later ideas on the past.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Merge and Delete - reduce anachronism (we cannot name past establishments by modern countries), which seems to be consensus in most such discussions.
GreyShark (
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Category:Newspapers published in the People's Republic of China
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The result of the discussion was:merge and redirect. (Note: Chinese and Japanese wikipedias still maintain the distinction.) –
FayenaticLondon 11:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Since PRC is redirected to China, no need to have two cat.
Matthew_hktc 13:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename several years ago we decided China was the common name for the PRC. This has become even more the case as time has progressed.
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Category:Newspapers published in the Republic of China
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Nominator's rationale: After several discussion, Republic of China is redirected to Taiwan, while pre-1949 China was in the namespace
Republic of China (1912–1949). Since inside the cat was Taiwanese newspaper only, including
Kinmen Daily News and
Matsu Daily that located outside Taiwan island but controlled by Taiwan (Republic of China).
Matthew_hktc 13:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- We had a long argument and decided that we would use Taiwan, not "Republic of China" for the present republic.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename since this has become standard Wikipedia usage.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Mammals of Benin
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Support -- No need to split biota by country, except where they are unique to the country.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support although I question if even the West Africa category is drawing unneccesarily close boundaries.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
No, if we decide to categorise articles about species of mammals by regions rather than by small (on a global scale) countries (that often aren't even mentioned in the article text) then these articles should not be upmerged to the vertebrates-of-country parents. The vertebrates-by-country categories should also be Cfded, but for logistical reasons I'm dealing with this overcategorization in manageable chunks. Also, upmerging (each time) to country categories for the next level up in the tree of life (and then deleting) would result in more watchlist noise on the articles. We could (assuming this Cfd is closed as merge) put a note on the v-of-c categories along the lines of "Mammals should not be included here - see <CFD>.", but (1) the sort of editors who add these category tags to articles (many of whom are now blocked anyway) probably won't read/obey such a note, (2) we haven't generally done that with previous similar CFDs (some of which are listed
here), (3) any such note would only last until that level is deleted and (4) it would add more complexity to the process of deleting these categories. DexDor(talk) 09:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
No Veribrates by country should also be eliminated. Where a species has a widespread range, providing a category for each country where it occurs creates category clutter. The countries in question may cover several climatic zones, each with their own indigenous flora and fauna. We might split West Africa into Tropical West Africa, the Sahel, and there may be a zone between, but the distribution of biota does not respect modern political boundaries. Thus the category structure should follow distribution zones, not political boundaries.
Peterkingiron (
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Category:Birds of Cordillera Neovolcanica Mexico
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Support -- No need to split biota by province or region, except where they are unique to the area.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support although I question if even Mexico is too specific a geographical area.
John Pack Lambert (
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Delete These are not attested geographical areas (neither politically nor environmentally). --
Couiros22 (
talk) 17:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No, per response in CFD above. A further reason that applies to some of these categories is
this AFD. DexDor(talk) 16:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
No, for reasons given for Benin and West Africa above. If they occur only in certain regions, there can be a category for indigenous species.
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Category:Vagrant birds of Africa
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Nominator's rationale: From the
Vagrancy (biology) article: "Vagrancy is a phenomenon in biology whereby individual animals appear well outside their normal range" (e.g. see
Pine flycatcher). That is a
WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of a bird species so these categories should be deleted. However, most of the articles that have been placed in these categories appear to be for birds that spend part of the year in the specified area - thus perhaps these categories should be merged into the corresponding Birds of (region) categories. DexDor(talk) 09:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC) DexDor(talk) 15:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Hi, the reason I chose the term "vagrant birds" was because I felt there was a need for a generic term to designate the seasonal range of any bird, i.e. wintering or summer (even though the latter are extremely rare)
1. therefore perhaps a renaming such as "seasonal birds of..." or "wintering birds of..." would be more appropriate ?
2. whilst also maintaining them in a separate sub-cat. of "Birds of Africa" --
Couiros22 (
talk) 11:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Are you suggesting that a category such as
Category:Birds of Africa should be subdivided into birds that spend the whole year in that region and birds that only spend the winter in that region (remembering that we are trying to categorize here, not describe)? Have you asked
WT:BIRDS for their thoughts on this categorization? If sub-categorization below the region is needed then isn't it better to categorize by type of bird (e.g.
Category:Parrots of Africa)? DexDor(talk) 15:32, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
The main regional bird categories currently include a sub-category for non-native birds (neither breeding nor resident), either corresponding to their wintering or summer range ; IMO only the title "vagrant birds" should be adjusted.
delete being a vagrant in any area is not a significant characteristic of a species.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete These categories are against Wikiproject Birds policy and pointless
Jimfbleak -
talk to me? 06:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
@ Peterkingiron : they are not "vagrant birds", they are "wintering birds" (the issue is the title of each cat., not the content) hence what would be wrong in renaming them likewise ?
@ Jimfbleak : you have no pragmatic assessment :-( --
Couiros22 (
talk) 08:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete we should not categorize fluke, irregular apparances of animals.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Beetles of France
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Nominator's rationale: To align with category text, parent categories and (current) content. Note: This rename would reverse an out-of-process rename. DexDor(talk) 08:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename – only the 'endemic' categories have any validity for beetles in a mainland territory.
Oculi (
talk) 10:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I am surprised that there should be many that are endemic only to France.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment: I have added a banner for WikiProject Insects which may notify more editors via the Alerts service, and notified
Gjs238 (
talk·contribs), who moved the category out-of-process with the comment follow naming convention of other country beetle categories. Let's keep this open a few more days. –
FayenaticLondon 11:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Psalm 18
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The result of the discussion was:delete all. –
FayenaticLondon 11:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the eponymous article and a redirect to, guess what, the same eponymous article.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I would have said merge, but the articles seem to be in the upmerge target.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
delete none of these categories contain more than one actual article.
John Pack Lambert (
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Late ancient/early medieval states and territories (dis)established by year
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The result of the discussion was:merge. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 04:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Support -- Another case of category twigs (not trees).
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge There is no evidence these categories will ever become reasonably large.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support merge into both States and territories decade categories and appropriate establishments by year cats (where many of the articles started out at).
Greenshed (
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Category:4th-century establishments in Central America
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The result of the discussion was:rename/merge as nominated. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 22:22, 26 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Establishments by continent up to 5th century were merged to worldwide categories, so there is no other Central America category before 6th century. However, we kept the hierarchy
1st-millennium establishments in the Maya civilization, which is missing a 4th-century category. As for
Category:3rd-century establishments in Guatemala with a single member, it seems appropriate to merge this to the corresponding Maya category. –
FayenaticLondon 15:04, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support renaming of 4th-century category... but surely the 3rd-century category should be part of the trees of both Mayan civilisation and Guatemalan history and as such should be kept as is.
Grutness...wha? 00:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support per nom. With respect to categorizations of establishments by modern country, discussions are going on and on about it, especially because it often concerns establishments of things that still exist in the modern country. Some past discussions are:
By and large I think we have insufficient consensus to remove past establishments from current country trees.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 21:33, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support These involve imposing later ideas on the past.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:10, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Merge and Delete - reduce anachronism (we cannot name past establishments by modern countries), which seems to be consensus in most such discussions.
GreyShark (
dibra) 07:51, 27 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Newspapers published in the People's Republic of China
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The result of the discussion was:merge and redirect. (Note: Chinese and Japanese wikipedias still maintain the distinction.) –
FayenaticLondon 11:57, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Since PRC is redirected to China, no need to have two cat.
Matthew_hktc 13:28, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename several years ago we decided China was the common name for the PRC. This has become even more the case as time has progressed.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:11, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Newspapers published in the Republic of China
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Nominator's rationale: After several discussion, Republic of China is redirected to Taiwan, while pre-1949 China was in the namespace
Republic of China (1912–1949). Since inside the cat was Taiwanese newspaper only, including
Kinmen Daily News and
Matsu Daily that located outside Taiwan island but controlled by Taiwan (Republic of China).
Matthew_hktc 13:19, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- We had a long argument and decided that we would use Taiwan, not "Republic of China" for the present republic.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:25, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename since this has become standard Wikipedia usage.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Mammals of Benin
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Support -- No need to split biota by country, except where they are unique to the country.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:28, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support although I question if even the West Africa category is drawing unneccesarily close boundaries.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:12, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
No, if we decide to categorise articles about species of mammals by regions rather than by small (on a global scale) countries (that often aren't even mentioned in the article text) then these articles should not be upmerged to the vertebrates-of-country parents. The vertebrates-by-country categories should also be Cfded, but for logistical reasons I'm dealing with this overcategorization in manageable chunks. Also, upmerging (each time) to country categories for the next level up in the tree of life (and then deleting) would result in more watchlist noise on the articles. We could (assuming this Cfd is closed as merge) put a note on the v-of-c categories along the lines of "Mammals should not be included here - see <CFD>.", but (1) the sort of editors who add these category tags to articles (many of whom are now blocked anyway) probably won't read/obey such a note, (2) we haven't generally done that with previous similar CFDs (some of which are listed
here), (3) any such note would only last until that level is deleted and (4) it would add more complexity to the process of deleting these categories. DexDor(talk) 09:38, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
No Veribrates by country should also be eliminated. Where a species has a widespread range, providing a category for each country where it occurs creates category clutter. The countries in question may cover several climatic zones, each with their own indigenous flora and fauna. We might split West Africa into Tropical West Africa, the Sahel, and there may be a zone between, but the distribution of biota does not respect modern political boundaries. Thus the category structure should follow distribution zones, not political boundaries.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:41, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Birds of Cordillera Neovolcanica Mexico
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Support -- No need to split biota by province or region, except where they are unique to the area.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:29, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support although I question if even Mexico is too specific a geographical area.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete These are not attested geographical areas (neither politically nor environmentally). --
Couiros22 (
talk) 17:35, 11 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No, per response in CFD above. A further reason that applies to some of these categories is
this AFD. DexDor(talk) 16:21, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
No, for reasons given for Benin and West Africa above. If they occur only in certain regions, there can be a category for indigenous species.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:44, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Category:Vagrant birds of Africa
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Nominator's rationale: From the
Vagrancy (biology) article: "Vagrancy is a phenomenon in biology whereby individual animals appear well outside their normal range" (e.g. see
Pine flycatcher). That is a
WP:NON-DEFINING characteristic of a bird species so these categories should be deleted. However, most of the articles that have been placed in these categories appear to be for birds that spend part of the year in the specified area - thus perhaps these categories should be merged into the corresponding Birds of (region) categories. DexDor(talk) 09:03, 23 November 2017 (UTC) DexDor(talk) 15:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Hi, the reason I chose the term "vagrant birds" was because I felt there was a need for a generic term to designate the seasonal range of any bird, i.e. wintering or summer (even though the latter are extremely rare)
1. therefore perhaps a renaming such as "seasonal birds of..." or "wintering birds of..." would be more appropriate ?
2. whilst also maintaining them in a separate sub-cat. of "Birds of Africa" --
Couiros22 (
talk) 11:31, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Are you suggesting that a category such as
Category:Birds of Africa should be subdivided into birds that spend the whole year in that region and birds that only spend the winter in that region (remembering that we are trying to categorize here, not describe)? Have you asked
WT:BIRDS for their thoughts on this categorization? If sub-categorization below the region is needed then isn't it better to categorize by type of bird (e.g.
Category:Parrots of Africa)? DexDor(talk) 15:32, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
The main regional bird categories currently include a sub-category for non-native birds (neither breeding nor resident), either corresponding to their wintering or summer range ; IMO only the title "vagrant birds" should be adjusted.
delete being a vagrant in any area is not a significant characteristic of a species.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:31, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete These categories are against Wikiproject Birds policy and pointless
Jimfbleak -
talk to me? 06:58, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
@ Peterkingiron : they are not "vagrant birds", they are "wintering birds" (the issue is the title of each cat., not the content) hence what would be wrong in renaming them likewise ?
@ Jimfbleak : you have no pragmatic assessment :-( --
Couiros22 (
talk) 08:04, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete we should not categorize fluke, irregular apparances of animals.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:13, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Beetles of France
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Nominator's rationale: To align with category text, parent categories and (current) content. Note: This rename would reverse an out-of-process rename. DexDor(talk) 08:29, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename – only the 'endemic' categories have any validity for beetles in a mainland territory.
Oculi (
talk) 10:58, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I am surprised that there should be many that are endemic only to France.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:33, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment: I have added a banner for WikiProject Insects which may notify more editors via the Alerts service, and notified
Gjs238 (
talk·contribs), who moved the category out-of-process with the comment follow naming convention of other country beetle categories. Let's keep this open a few more days. –
FayenaticLondon 11:08, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Psalm 18
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The result of the discussion was:delete all. –
FayenaticLondon 11:01, 7 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale:delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, they only contain the eponymous article and a redirect to, guess what, the same eponymous article.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 06:39, 23 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I would have said merge, but the articles seem to be in the upmerge target.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:36, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
delete none of these categories contain more than one actual article.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:16, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
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Late ancient/early medieval states and territories (dis)established by year
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The result of the discussion was:merge. --
Black Falcon(
talk) 04:31, 7 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Support -- Another case of category twigs (not trees).
Peterkingiron (
talk) 00:39, 24 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge There is no evidence these categories will ever become reasonably large.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 22:17, 26 November 2017 (UTC)reply
Support merge into both States and territories decade categories and appropriate establishments by year cats (where many of the articles started out at).
Greenshed (
talk) 03:15, 30 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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