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Category:Verification templates
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Nominator's rationale: I don't know where to merge this. First of all, the only occupant in this category that possibly fits the title is
Template:User degree/PhD verified, which suggests that this category should be deleted. But the category name may be useful.
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23:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete. I have removed an archived discussion page which was unintentionally in the category. The four user pages are also incorrectly in the category, having apparently copied the category code from a template. Three out of four are blocked users anyway. –
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Category:Dominican Republic people of Sephardic-Jewish descent
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Delete distant descent is neither defining nor material. Looking at the category's entries, only *one* has a mention of Jewishness in the body of the article. So much for being verifiable or defining...
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Category:Pundettes
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Nominator's rationale: Category for a small handful of political commentators who happen to be female, on a term that's ordinarily used to pejoratively set them apart from other pundits on the basis of an NPOV-violating perception that their gender and their ideology don't correspond the "women are all liberals" way conventional wisdom would expect — if you think what I'm getting at here is
Kellyanne Conway and
Ann Coulter and
Michelle Malkin, then yes, you win the prize. As always, we categorize on
WP:DEFINING characteristics of the subject, not on other people's opinions about them — a list of women who've been called this is fine for inclusion in the article, but it is not an appropriate basis for a category.
Bearcat (
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21:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep If we have
Pundette, why not the matching category? This is not merely actresses vs actors, these are a self-identified group of right-wing female pundits. Their identity, their grouping, their term. The pejorative version of would be right-wing fruitbatte, not pundette.
Andy Dingley (
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22:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Because it's not their own term for themselves; it's a pejorative that was applied to them which some of them accept in a "reclaiming" way, the same way I get to call myself a fag if I want to but nobody else gets to categorize me that way because it's fundamentally not a neutral term.
Bearcat (
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23:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Internal categories for Wikipedians' user pages are not judged by the same standards as content categories for articles — and "LGBT" was never a pejorative term in the first place. So this is not an equivalent situation to what I have on my user page.
Bearcat (
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14:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Change I agree with
Bearcat that the category is not appropriate in that it is a derogatory and dismissive term. I'm not sure what it should be changed to, however. I would say that
Tomi Lahren is in the same category. Her article describes her as a "conservative political commentator", but I don't think that really captures the category. Any thoughts on a better term?--
Nowa (
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19:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, the ungendered and unpejorative
Category:American political pundits already exists, so there's no real need to rename this per se. Some of these women are already in it while others aren't, so some caution should be undertaken to ensure that women who aren't in that one get readded to it in the process of deleting this one, but the existing category is sufficient and we don't need to maintain a separate subcat for the "pundettes" under any other name.
Bearcat (
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12:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
But this group, female, right-wing, and self-identifying as
pundettes, is a distinct sub group within that. Noam Chomsky is a pundit, but he's no Kellyanne Conway.
Andy Dingley (
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12:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
I could certainly live with "pundit", but as
Andy Dingley points out, this is a distinct category within that larger category. Is this more than a US phenomenon? --
Nowa (
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16:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
After some further thought I would say this is a too narrow intersection, as it concerns occupation x gender x political view. That triple intersection could be defining for politicians whose political views are of primary interest, perhaps, but not for occupations on the side. I'm supporting the alternative to merge to
Category:American political pundits.
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20:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Organizations based in Puerto Rico
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Rationale: As a US territory, categories related to Puerto Rico should use American English. Note also that most of the categiory tree uses the US spelling.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu18:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. Although it's not primarily an English-speaking area in its own right, its status as a US territory absolutely means it should follow US rather than UK spelling in the organi(s/z)ations tree.
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Category:Regional restaurant chains in the United States
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Nominator's rationale: Generalized category that duplicates Restaurant chains in the United States. Both consist of restaurant companies that consist of more than one restaurant in many different locations. I think the whole category tree should be merged, if this CFD is successful.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof?15:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
comment by the definition, there should not be overlap. Looking at several articles I see one on a chain that that is just in the Chicago area; another that is just in the West Coast. These are regions within the US; this does not depend on how many restaurants are in the chain. Contrast that with national chains that are in many parts of the country. 'Region' is the key word. Reading more, I see confusion in the wider non-US category tree. Does 'region' mean 'region within a country' or 'region within the world'? This needs to be clarified, for sure, with renaming or more.
Hmains (
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16:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - Both categories are well populated, so that some split is desirable. Perhaps the regional one needs splitting my region.
Peterkingiron (
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21:09, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
The distinguishing trait here was meant to be "restaurant chains that operate in one specific region of the United States but are unknown elsewhere" (e.g.
DoubleDave's Pizzaworks, which has only one location anywhere outside of Texas and even that one is still in a state adjacent to Texas) vs. "restaurant chains that operate fully nationwide" (e.g. McDonald's and Burger King and Denny's and the Olive Garden). I don't have a strong opinion either way about whether that's a useful basis for a category separation or not, but I just wanted to clarify that it's what was intended when the
Category:Regional restaurant chains tree was initiated back in 2004.
Bearcat (
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21:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
keep there is enough difference to show the difference via our category structure. If kept, I will examine and move the articles to their proper category here.
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Category:Financial history of the Netherlands
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge, there aren't any other financial history categories by country, there is not even a general financial history category. The economic history of the Netherlands category isn't so big that it needs diffusing by financial history.
Marcocapelle (
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10:31, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I wonder about these when they came up in a previous discussion. Economic history is a recognised academic dispcipline; "financial history" is not.
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Nominator's rationale: I don't know where to merge this. First of all, the only occupant in this category that possibly fits the title is
Template:User degree/PhD verified, which suggests that this category should be deleted. But the category name may be useful.
Mr. Guye (
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23:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete. I have removed an archived discussion page which was unintentionally in the category. The four user pages are also incorrectly in the category, having apparently copied the category code from a template. Three out of four are blocked users anyway. –
FayenaticLondon22:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dominican Republic people of Sephardic-Jewish descent
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Delete distant descent is neither defining nor material. Looking at the category's entries, only *one* has a mention of Jewishness in the body of the article. So much for being verifiable or defining...
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19:29, 10 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Pundettes
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Nominator's rationale: Category for a small handful of political commentators who happen to be female, on a term that's ordinarily used to pejoratively set them apart from other pundits on the basis of an NPOV-violating perception that their gender and their ideology don't correspond the "women are all liberals" way conventional wisdom would expect — if you think what I'm getting at here is
Kellyanne Conway and
Ann Coulter and
Michelle Malkin, then yes, you win the prize. As always, we categorize on
WP:DEFINING characteristics of the subject, not on other people's opinions about them — a list of women who've been called this is fine for inclusion in the article, but it is not an appropriate basis for a category.
Bearcat (
talk)
21:43, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep If we have
Pundette, why not the matching category? This is not merely actresses vs actors, these are a self-identified group of right-wing female pundits. Their identity, their grouping, their term. The pejorative version of would be right-wing fruitbatte, not pundette.
Andy Dingley (
talk)
22:11, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Because it's not their own term for themselves; it's a pejorative that was applied to them which some of them accept in a "reclaiming" way, the same way I get to call myself a fag if I want to but nobody else gets to categorize me that way because it's fundamentally not a neutral term.
Bearcat (
talk)
23:16, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Internal categories for Wikipedians' user pages are not judged by the same standards as content categories for articles — and "LGBT" was never a pejorative term in the first place. So this is not an equivalent situation to what I have on my user page.
Bearcat (
talk)
14:11, 7 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Change I agree with
Bearcat that the category is not appropriate in that it is a derogatory and dismissive term. I'm not sure what it should be changed to, however. I would say that
Tomi Lahren is in the same category. Her article describes her as a "conservative political commentator", but I don't think that really captures the category. Any thoughts on a better term?--
Nowa (
talk)
19:33, 7 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Well, the ungendered and unpejorative
Category:American political pundits already exists, so there's no real need to rename this per se. Some of these women are already in it while others aren't, so some caution should be undertaken to ensure that women who aren't in that one get readded to it in the process of deleting this one, but the existing category is sufficient and we don't need to maintain a separate subcat for the "pundettes" under any other name.
Bearcat (
talk)
12:40, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
But this group, female, right-wing, and self-identifying as
pundettes, is a distinct sub group within that. Noam Chomsky is a pundit, but he's no Kellyanne Conway.
Andy Dingley (
talk)
12:52, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
I could certainly live with "pundit", but as
Andy Dingley points out, this is a distinct category within that larger category. Is this more than a US phenomenon? --
Nowa (
talk)
16:42, 8 May 2017 (UTC)reply
After some further thought I would say this is a too narrow intersection, as it concerns occupation x gender x political view. That triple intersection could be defining for politicians whose political views are of primary interest, perhaps, but not for occupations on the side. I'm supporting the alternative to merge to
Category:American political pundits.
Marcocapelle (
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20:18, 23 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Organizations based in Puerto Rico
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Rationale: As a US territory, categories related to Puerto Rico should use American English. Note also that most of the categiory tree uses the US spelling.
עוד מישהוOd Mishehu18:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support. Although it's not primarily an English-speaking area in its own right, its status as a US territory absolutely means it should follow US rather than UK spelling in the organi(s/z)ations tree.
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21:50, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Regional restaurant chains in the United States
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Nominator's rationale: Generalized category that duplicates Restaurant chains in the United States. Both consist of restaurant companies that consist of more than one restaurant in many different locations. I think the whole category tree should be merged, if this CFD is successful.
...William, is the complaint department really on
the roof?15:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
comment by the definition, there should not be overlap. Looking at several articles I see one on a chain that that is just in the Chicago area; another that is just in the West Coast. These are regions within the US; this does not depend on how many restaurants are in the chain. Contrast that with national chains that are in many parts of the country. 'Region' is the key word. Reading more, I see confusion in the wider non-US category tree. Does 'region' mean 'region within a country' or 'region within the world'? This needs to be clarified, for sure, with renaming or more.
Hmains (
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16:37, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - Both categories are well populated, so that some split is desirable. Perhaps the regional one needs splitting my region.
Peterkingiron (
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21:09, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
The distinguishing trait here was meant to be "restaurant chains that operate in one specific region of the United States but are unknown elsewhere" (e.g.
DoubleDave's Pizzaworks, which has only one location anywhere outside of Texas and even that one is still in a state adjacent to Texas) vs. "restaurant chains that operate fully nationwide" (e.g. McDonald's and Burger King and Denny's and the Olive Garden). I don't have a strong opinion either way about whether that's a useful basis for a category separation or not, but I just wanted to clarify that it's what was intended when the
Category:Regional restaurant chains tree was initiated back in 2004.
Bearcat (
talk)
21:55, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
keep there is enough difference to show the difference via our category structure. If kept, I will examine and move the articles to their proper category here.
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01:56, 11 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Financial history of the Netherlands
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Nominator's rationale:upmerge, there aren't any other financial history categories by country, there is not even a general financial history category. The economic history of the Netherlands category isn't so big that it needs diffusing by financial history.
Marcocapelle (
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10:31, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
Support -- I wonder about these when they came up in a previous discussion. Economic history is a recognised academic dispcipline; "financial history" is not.
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21:18, 6 May 2017 (UTC)reply
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