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Nominator's rationale: Category for a now deleted article (see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Mexico) which was part of a spurious system of regional divisions. I'm afraid we're going to have to go at these one by one because some of them are going to require more complicated disposition, but in this case all the children are either states or the plateau article, and are already categorized sufficiently.
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Comment. I won't vote, because I'm also involved in cleaning this up, but I want to say there's been a cooperative effort carefully unwrapping this fiction from lists, categories, articles, images. Thank you Mangoe for keeping after it. --
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Nominator's rationale: The parent category and its main article use "South Derbyshire" without disambiguation. The only other use of the term is for the parliamentary constituency, and we don't categorise people by those.
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It's not an opinion, it's a defining term. Look at how an article like
Lee Hoffman is structured: her being a fan is her most prominent trait, the writing part is secondary. —
Xezbeth (
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"This includes supporters or critics of an issue, personal preferences (such as liking or disliking green beans), and opinions or allegations about the person by other people (e.g. "alleged criminals")." It may still be a pretty important part of the biography but it's no doubt an opinion or preference. We also don't have
Category:Punk rock fans and that could be very defining for that person, certainly but not appropriate for categorization. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
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M☯21:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
weak keep As long as the criteria state in the category description are adhered to (though I think mere attendance at conventions is not notable), I think his category is good, at least insofar as it categorizes those who are only notable for their fannish activity.
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Keep in some form or another: I think this is an interesting characteristic of people that we want to capture in some way (when citable and appropriate) but as noted above, if we want to drill down in to organizers of conventions, writers of scifi fan fiction, etc., that would be worth discussing.
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Keep the topic of African-Americans in economics has been written about in independent sources repeatedly, see
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]. Given the variety of articles on African-Americans in economics, I think the answer to the most important question, "...can a valid, encyclopedic head article be written for this grouping?" is yes.--
TM11:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Further comment: If the American Economics Association cares enough about this topic to create a
special committee to increase the number of African Americans in economics, I think that it is clear that this category needs to exist and the guideline needs to be re-written.--
TM11:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
If economics of African-Americans is a notable topic, as some of the economists mentioned in
[5] seems to suggest, then an article should be written about it first. We shouldn't create categories on a topic before the article about that topic passes the notability test. And by the way, if it is indeed a notable topic, then we should have a
Category:Economists of African-Americans that is open to economists of any ethnicity to write about that topic. Vice versa, not all economists of African-American ethnicity would qualify for the category insofar they are supposedly not all specialized in economics of African-Americans.
Marcocapelle (
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06:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
The sources I've shared do not indicate that the economics of African-Americans is a notable topic. They indicate that there are a number of independently written articles with depth on the topic of African-American people's participation in the field of economics or often lack thereof. As for the existence of an article on it, your standard is far beyond what Wikipedia requires. To cite the guideline again, the question is whether or not a valid, encyclopedic head article can be written, not whether or not it has been written. The availability of sources of depth on the topic indicates it can and that is why this category meets our guidelines.--
TM10:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
It's doubtful that a separate article about economists would survive here, as it's unlikely that African-Americans are more underrepresented in economics than they are in a lot of other academic fields. Having said that, to my honest surprise, I can't quickly find a WP article about the position of African-Americans in academics in general, hopefully I haven't searched well enough.
Marcocapelle (
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19:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep I've been trying (slowly) to add Wikipedia articles on the researchers featured at
[6], and this category has been useful to me.
EAWH (
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14:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. My guess is that the Association has a committee was because African-Americans were under-represented, rather than because their ethnicity is notable.
Peterkingiron (
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15:26, 25 June 2017 (UTC)reply
What of the other 4 sources I provided that demonstrate that the topic of African-Americans in the field of economics has been written about extensively?--
TM10:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)reply
From the sources it is not clear whether this a topic in its own right or a mere 'random' illustration of under-representation of African-Americans in academia. Again, this issue should be elaborated in good articles before starting categorization.
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It is important that the contents of
Category:Etchings by Rembrandt remain categorized. Not all Rembrandt prints are in fact etchings (though they are sometimes loosely so called), so it might be better to move the actual articles up to "Prints by...".
Johnbod (
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Several of the articles are about groups, which will include non-etching, in whole or in part. Many of his prints, like The Three Crosses, are mixes of etching and engraving (often
drypoint). I haven't looked the other individual prints with articles up (and wouldn't trust our articles on this). The wider point is that the best overall name is "prints", not "etchings", although, as I said above "they are sometimes loosely so called". The
List of etchings by Rembrandt falls into this trap. It does not list the techniques, but very many of these are partly in engraving, and quite a few entirely so.
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Weak oppose It's possible that this could be a useful administrative scheme as we have with sockpuppets. The problem would just be with filling it. ―
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Nominator's rationale: Just like the "Category:Parodies of Sarah Palin" I nominated yesterday we can say the same thing here: we already have a
Category:Cultural depictions of Donald Trump, which covers a wider scope of portrayals of Trump than just parodies alone. Also this is more in line with all the other categories which list cultural depictions of celebrities. Shouldn't parody categories be restricted to works?
User:Kjell Knudde13:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC).reply
Keep. Parodies are a legitimate form of cultural expression much different from simply the more general "cultural depictions", which could be graffiti or a campaign hat.
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Keep. We do not need parody categories for most persons, but here we have someone for whom such parodies really are a distinct, prominent, and potentially defining category, that is useful as a more precise subcategory of the cultural depictions parent category. --
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Nominator's rationale: Category for a now deleted article (see
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northwestern Mexico) which was part of a spurious system of regional divisions. I'm afraid we're going to have to go at these one by one because some of them are going to require more complicated disposition, but in this case all the children are either states or the plateau article, and are already categorized sufficiently.
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14:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment. I won't vote, because I'm also involved in cleaning this up, but I want to say there's been a cooperative effort carefully unwrapping this fiction from lists, categories, articles, images. Thank you Mangoe for keeping after it. --
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07:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale: The parent category and its main article use "South Derbyshire" without disambiguation. The only other use of the term is for the parliamentary constituency, and we don't categorise people by those.
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It's not an opinion, it's a defining term. Look at how an article like
Lee Hoffman is structured: her being a fan is her most prominent trait, the writing part is secondary. —
Xezbeth (
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05:35, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
"This includes supporters or critics of an issue, personal preferences (such as liking or disliking green beans), and opinions or allegations about the person by other people (e.g. "alleged criminals")." It may still be a pretty important part of the biography but it's no doubt an opinion or preference. We also don't have
Category:Punk rock fans and that could be very defining for that person, certainly but not appropriate for categorization. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
M☯21:53, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
weak keep As long as the criteria state in the category description are adhered to (though I think mere attendance at conventions is not notable), I think his category is good, at least insofar as it categorizes those who are only notable for their fannish activity.
Mangoe (
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21:16, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep in some form or another: I think this is an interesting characteristic of people that we want to capture in some way (when citable and appropriate) but as noted above, if we want to drill down in to organizers of conventions, writers of scifi fan fiction, etc., that would be worth discussing.
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Keep the topic of African-Americans in economics has been written about in independent sources repeatedly, see
[1],
[2],
[3],
[4]. Given the variety of articles on African-Americans in economics, I think the answer to the most important question, "...can a valid, encyclopedic head article be written for this grouping?" is yes.--
TM11:40, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Further comment: If the American Economics Association cares enough about this topic to create a
special committee to increase the number of African Americans in economics, I think that it is clear that this category needs to exist and the guideline needs to be re-written.--
TM11:57, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
If economics of African-Americans is a notable topic, as some of the economists mentioned in
[5] seems to suggest, then an article should be written about it first. We shouldn't create categories on a topic before the article about that topic passes the notability test. And by the way, if it is indeed a notable topic, then we should have a
Category:Economists of African-Americans that is open to economists of any ethnicity to write about that topic. Vice versa, not all economists of African-American ethnicity would qualify for the category insofar they are supposedly not all specialized in economics of African-Americans.
Marcocapelle (
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06:21, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
The sources I've shared do not indicate that the economics of African-Americans is a notable topic. They indicate that there are a number of independently written articles with depth on the topic of African-American people's participation in the field of economics or often lack thereof. As for the existence of an article on it, your standard is far beyond what Wikipedia requires. To cite the guideline again, the question is whether or not a valid, encyclopedic head article can be written, not whether or not it has been written. The availability of sources of depth on the topic indicates it can and that is why this category meets our guidelines.--
TM10:42, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
It's doubtful that a separate article about economists would survive here, as it's unlikely that African-Americans are more underrepresented in economics than they are in a lot of other academic fields. Having said that, to my honest surprise, I can't quickly find a WP article about the position of African-Americans in academics in general, hopefully I haven't searched well enough.
Marcocapelle (
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19:26, 21 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep I've been trying (slowly) to add Wikipedia articles on the researchers featured at
[6], and this category has been useful to me.
EAWH (
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14:51, 22 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete per nom. My guess is that the Association has a committee was because African-Americans were under-represented, rather than because their ethnicity is notable.
Peterkingiron (
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15:26, 25 June 2017 (UTC)reply
What of the other 4 sources I provided that demonstrate that the topic of African-Americans in the field of economics has been written about extensively?--
TM10:18, 27 June 2017 (UTC)reply
From the sources it is not clear whether this a topic in its own right or a mere 'random' illustration of under-representation of African-Americans in academia. Again, this issue should be elaborated in good articles before starting categorization.
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16:43, 29 June 2017 (UTC)reply
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It is important that the contents of
Category:Etchings by Rembrandt remain categorized. Not all Rembrandt prints are in fact etchings (though they are sometimes loosely so called), so it might be better to move the actual articles up to "Prints by...".
Johnbod (
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14:30, 12 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Several of the articles are about groups, which will include non-etching, in whole or in part. Many of his prints, like The Three Crosses, are mixes of etching and engraving (often
drypoint). I haven't looked the other individual prints with articles up (and wouldn't trust our articles on this). The wider point is that the best overall name is "prints", not "etchings", although, as I said above "they are sometimes loosely so called". The
List of etchings by Rembrandt falls into this trap. It does not list the techniques, but very many of these are partly in engraving, and quite a few entirely so.
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Weak oppose It's possible that this could be a useful administrative scheme as we have with sockpuppets. The problem would just be with filling it. ―
Justin (koavf)❤
T☮
C☺
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Nominator's rationale: Just like the "Category:Parodies of Sarah Palin" I nominated yesterday we can say the same thing here: we already have a
Category:Cultural depictions of Donald Trump, which covers a wider scope of portrayals of Trump than just parodies alone. Also this is more in line with all the other categories which list cultural depictions of celebrities. Shouldn't parody categories be restricted to works?
User:Kjell Knudde13:15, 20 June 2017 (UTC).reply
Keep. Parodies are a legitimate form of cultural expression much different from simply the more general "cultural depictions", which could be graffiti or a campaign hat.
Sagecandor (
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17:01, 20 June 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep. We do not need parody categories for most persons, but here we have someone for whom such parodies really are a distinct, prominent, and potentially defining category, that is useful as a more precise subcategory of the cultural depictions parent category. --
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