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Rename to the deleted
Category:Regions of Mexico – The problem with this AfD is that obvious regions like
Northern Mexico will after deletion of
Category:Cultural regions of Mexico (to which I have no other objection) immediately fall under the geography of Mexico without a regions category. A geography is not necessarily a region but can also be a spatial distribution, dynamic, sub-domain, etc. It often is something else than a region. Hence if this AfD is successful we are erasing a necessary link. Other countries have a region category that would contain the non-administrative regions of a country plus the administrative regions as a category under it. This organization allows for a value free judgement, independent of the question whether such regions are cultural, physical, economic, or a combination of labels. Such nuanced distinctions are more appropriate for the articles on the regions. Administrative is objective. A region has been designated as such or not. The only question that remains for plain regions is whether, for example, a valley is large enough to be considered a region. That is a value judgement yet the community can agree on a precise mathematical value for resolution.
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Category:Airlines which do not serve alcoholic beverages on flights
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Nominator's rationale: Hardly a noteworthy or defining element to use as a category, they probably dont serve lots of other things as well like cocaine or ham sandwiches or be to small as to not serve anything on a flight.
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17:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Television series by century
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Koavf: Not sure whether I understand this correctly. Your nomination would merely leave the two subcategories orphaned. Didn't you mean to nominate the two subcategories?
Marcocapelle (
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04:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete If there were enough long-running shows that people felt were best categorized only by their century, this category might work, but since everything is in decade categories or lower there is no reason to keep these categories.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I had to rub my eyes like all above but nevertheless keep as a container category for decades only. Keep since this category is needed as an intermediate category between the tv by decade and works by century and millennium. Please insert the container category only template as a result of this discussion.
Koavf, thank you for bringing this up!
gidonb (
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02:58, 21 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle, obviously my issue with this AfD is not the amount of clicks but whether or not the category is offered in the navigation or not. In order to get there through that same amount of clicks you need to know what you are looking for. The AfD seeks to erase
television series from the list of works at
Category:Works by century. I think that's a bad idea. It makes the navigation choices at
Category:Works by century incomplete! Good navigation is a major purpose of categories.
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00:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:People targeted by the Anti-Defamation League
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Keep - the category is based on
this article from the ADL official website called "From Alt Right to Alt Lite: Naming the Hate" where they profile various individuals included in the category. Don't see what is supposed to be POV? The ADL is a notable organisation.
Claíomh Solais (
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That's not a category, it's a list — they're fundamentally different things. Moreover, the reason we have that article is that the SPLC's designation of groups as hate groups is widely discussed, praised, criticized, etc. in reliable sources, and thus is
notable (hence the huge number of sources in that article). If you wanted to create an article titled
List of people designated by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic, that would be a separate issue; I'm not sure it would pass muster (does the ADL directly do that? I'm not sure) but it would be a fundamentally different question than a category.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
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16:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete The word "targeted" is a clear non-NPOV violation. Where's the reliable sources that state that any of these people were "targeted"? Without such sources, this category should be deleted.
Rockypedia (
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17:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"
[target (transitive) To aim something, especially a weapon, at (a target).]"
The ADL is opposed to these individuals and thus has targeted them by aiming public criticism at them on a public platform, profiling each individual on a hate list on their campaigning website. How is the word "targeting" in any way non-NPOV or objectionable? They self-evidently didn't create the list to support them. On the
COINTELPRO article we speak of "targets" so the parlance appears to be in common use.
Claíomh Solais (
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17:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"Targeted" doesn't explain anything, much less the reason for the criticism. To be neutral, such a category might be called "People described by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic" or "racist" or whatever. But we don't create categories for that, because
it's not a defining characteristic of a person. Also see
WP:BLPCAT, particularly Caution should be used with content categories that suggest a person has a poor reputation (see false light). Putting someone in a category that says someone thinks they're an anti-Semite certainly suggests they have a poor reputation, and we shouldn't be doing that without good reason.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
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17:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete immediately and without reservation. This category has been created solely for the purpose of adding PoV slants (falsely implying that the ADL has the characteristic of a belligerent) to articles like the one to which it has just been added (and promptly reverted), namely
Richard B. Spencer. Having this category on the encyclopedia is basically a way of condoning the adding of weasel words to articles.
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17:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Leftist states
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Nominator's rationale: I can't see any use for this. It's not just "leftist states", with no criteria, it's "g Leftist States, Proto-states, and movements current and throughout history." Already it has entries which aren't states. And who says France is leftist? Or Kurdistan?
Doug Wellertalk15:07, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - Totally meaningless category; if the United States, France, China and Angola are all "leftist states," the word is being stretched so far beyond any sense of meaning as to be wholly without purpose.
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17:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dnipropetrovsk
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Yes but you do need to list and tag them, if the nomination stays poorly formatted like this a closing admin will most likely only process the top category.
Marcocapelle (
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06:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't have opportunity to do this. I think this can be done by any participant or reader of this discussion. As well, the admin may rename the categories singly, following to the consensus.
WP:POINT,
WP:BURO--
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08:27, 3 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Masada
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Nominator's rationale:rename per actual content, the articles in this category are about the siege, i.e. about a historic event, not about geography. If the category is renamed, geographic parent categories (e.g. museums, parks) should be moved from the category page to the article
Masada.
Marcocapelle (
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05:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep -- Merging a category to an article does not work. The only purpose in splitting the seige from the rest would be if there was a great deal of content, but I doubt there ever will be here.
Peterkingiron (
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16:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep -- The siege, previous, and subsequent events were in the same location (Masada) so from a taxonomy perspective the rename is not an improvement. The Siege of Masada can be a subcategory of Masada (and some historical events), however, like my colleagues above, I do not see the justification right now. The Masada category is working just fine. Thanks
Marcocapelle, for initiating an interesting discussion on time and space dimensions.
gidonb (
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02:20, 21 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Rename to the deleted
Category:Regions of Mexico – The problem with this AfD is that obvious regions like
Northern Mexico will after deletion of
Category:Cultural regions of Mexico (to which I have no other objection) immediately fall under the geography of Mexico without a regions category. A geography is not necessarily a region but can also be a spatial distribution, dynamic, sub-domain, etc. It often is something else than a region. Hence if this AfD is successful we are erasing a necessary link. Other countries have a region category that would contain the non-administrative regions of a country plus the administrative regions as a category under it. This organization allows for a value free judgement, independent of the question whether such regions are cultural, physical, economic, or a combination of labels. Such nuanced distinctions are more appropriate for the articles on the regions. Administrative is objective. A region has been designated as such or not. The only question that remains for plain regions is whether, for example, a valley is large enough to be considered a region. That is a value judgement yet the community can agree on a precise mathematical value for resolution.
gidonb (
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12:18, 31 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Airlines which do not serve alcoholic beverages on flights
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Nominator's rationale: Hardly a noteworthy or defining element to use as a category, they probably dont serve lots of other things as well like cocaine or ham sandwiches or be to small as to not serve anything on a flight.
MilborneOne (
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17:52, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Television series by century
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Koavf: Not sure whether I understand this correctly. Your nomination would merely leave the two subcategories orphaned. Didn't you mean to nominate the two subcategories?
Marcocapelle (
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04:31, 2 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete If there were enough long-running shows that people felt were best categorized only by their century, this category might work, but since everything is in decade categories or lower there is no reason to keep these categories.
John Pack Lambert (
talk)
03:55, 14 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I had to rub my eyes like all above but nevertheless keep as a container category for decades only. Keep since this category is needed as an intermediate category between the tv by decade and works by century and millennium. Please insert the container category only template as a result of this discussion.
Koavf, thank you for bringing this up!
gidonb (
talk)
02:58, 21 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Marcocapelle, obviously my issue with this AfD is not the amount of clicks but whether or not the category is offered in the navigation or not. In order to get there through that same amount of clicks you need to know what you are looking for. The AfD seeks to erase
television series from the list of works at
Category:Works by century. I think that's a bad idea. It makes the navigation choices at
Category:Works by century incomplete! Good navigation is a major purpose of categories.
gidonb (
talk)
00:15, 31 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:People targeted by the Anti-Defamation League
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Keep - the category is based on
this article from the ADL official website called "From Alt Right to Alt Lite: Naming the Hate" where they profile various individuals included in the category. Don't see what is supposed to be POV? The ADL is a notable organisation.
Claíomh Solais (
talk)
That's not a category, it's a list — they're fundamentally different things. Moreover, the reason we have that article is that the SPLC's designation of groups as hate groups is widely discussed, praised, criticized, etc. in reliable sources, and thus is
notable (hence the huge number of sources in that article). If you wanted to create an article titled
List of people designated by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic, that would be a separate issue; I'm not sure it would pass muster (does the ADL directly do that? I'm not sure) but it would be a fundamentally different question than a category.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
talk)
16:58, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete The word "targeted" is a clear non-NPOV violation. Where's the reliable sources that state that any of these people were "targeted"? Without such sources, this category should be deleted.
Rockypedia (
talk)
17:01, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"
[target (transitive) To aim something, especially a weapon, at (a target).]"
The ADL is opposed to these individuals and thus has targeted them by aiming public criticism at them on a public platform, profiling each individual on a hate list on their campaigning website. How is the word "targeting" in any way non-NPOV or objectionable? They self-evidently didn't create the list to support them. On the
COINTELPRO article we speak of "targets" so the parlance appears to be in common use.
Claíomh Solais (
talk)
17:09, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
"Targeted" doesn't explain anything, much less the reason for the criticism. To be neutral, such a category might be called "People described by the Anti-Defamation League as anti-Semitic" or "racist" or whatever. But we don't create categories for that, because
it's not a defining characteristic of a person. Also see
WP:BLPCAT, particularly Caution should be used with content categories that suggest a person has a poor reputation (see false light). Putting someone in a category that says someone thinks they're an anti-Semite certainly suggests they have a poor reputation, and we shouldn't be doing that without good reason.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
talk)
17:13, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete immediately and without reservation. This category has been created solely for the purpose of adding PoV slants (falsely implying that the ADL has the characteristic of a belligerent) to articles like the one to which it has just been added (and promptly reverted), namely
Richard B. Spencer. Having this category on the encyclopedia is basically a way of condoning the adding of weasel words to articles.
Edaham (
talk)
17:27, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Leftist states
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Nominator's rationale: I can't see any use for this. It's not just "leftist states", with no criteria, it's "g Leftist States, Proto-states, and movements current and throughout history." Already it has entries which aren't states. And who says France is leftist? Or Kurdistan?
Doug Wellertalk15:07, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - Totally meaningless category; if the United States, France, China and Angola are all "leftist states," the word is being stretched so far beyond any sense of meaning as to be wholly without purpose.
NorthBySouthBaranof (
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17:02, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Dnipropetrovsk
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Yes but you do need to list and tag them, if the nomination stays poorly formatted like this a closing admin will most likely only process the top category.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
06:19, 3 August 2017 (UTC)reply
I don't have opportunity to do this. I think this can be done by any participant or reader of this discussion. As well, the admin may rename the categories singly, following to the consensus.
WP:POINT,
WP:BURO--
Unikalinho (
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08:27, 3 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Masada
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Nominator's rationale:rename per actual content, the articles in this category are about the siege, i.e. about a historic event, not about geography. If the category is renamed, geographic parent categories (e.g. museums, parks) should be moved from the category page to the article
Masada.
Marcocapelle (
talk)
05:57, 25 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep -- Merging a category to an article does not work. The only purpose in splitting the seige from the rest would be if there was a great deal of content, but I doubt there ever will be here.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
16:42, 30 July 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep -- The siege, previous, and subsequent events were in the same location (Masada) so from a taxonomy perspective the rename is not an improvement. The Siege of Masada can be a subcategory of Masada (and some historical events), however, like my colleagues above, I do not see the justification right now. The Masada category is working just fine. Thanks
Marcocapelle, for initiating an interesting discussion on time and space dimensions.
gidonb (
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02:20, 21 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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