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Delete Being a member of the military of Nazi Germany seems pretty defining, getting this cursory award for being in 15+, 25+, or 50+ fights seems pretty arbitrary.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, they have the same scope. They are not part of an established tree, other Soviet Socialist Republics don't have this distinction.
Marcocapelle (
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07:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - not sure, since we can have "History of foo subdivision" categories in case the "foo subdivision" category is well populated (with history, geography, demographics, etc topics).
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07:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)reply
In the end everything about a former country is history, but it's true that sometimes history by topic (e.g. geographic history) of a former country gets its own category. That happens mostly with long-lasting big former countries, not with former subdivions like nominated here.
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Category:Military personnel referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, with the "mentioning in the
Wehrmachtbericht" (Wehrmacht Report) often being cited to the collection the reports themselves. Does not meet
WP:CATDEF, being an obscure and debatable award.
Previous discussion in 2014 closed as no consensus. Since then, several discussions on the relevance of the Wehrmachtbericht Report have taken place, for example,
London Gazette vs Wehrmachtbericht, with the consensus being that the reports were unreliable propaganda. The transcripts have subsequently been removed from the articles.
Keep. The category is useful in identifying how and why the the Wehrmachtbericht was used. it is helpful to researchers in identifying the type of mentions. The Federal Archives of Germany, represented by Erich Murawski, have published a list of all 1,500+ people referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht. We have Categories that reference Dictionary of National Biography. We have categories that relate to sources, such as Category:Princeton University Press books .... I don't see the point in deleting it. Furthermore, deletion does not maintain a neutral point of view. Finally, (for now), the Wehrmachtbericht was an important information sources during WWII for the German population, at least for the military portion. We may not like what it said, we may not agree with what it said (today), but historically, it was said. We also cite other sources (1911 Britannica, for example) as categories
auntieruth(talk)15:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete It's a case of
WP:NONDEF. It was meant and is considered to be a military award of Nazi Germany, but is not important enough to create notability. It is by no means comparable to a biographical dictionary or even an academic publication. And this is not a category that relates to the Wehrmachtbericht as a source. Such a category would have to include contributors and editors. It would most likely be a subcategory of
Category:Nazi propagandists and worthwhile discussing. The category under review, however, is not of that kind, and deletion has nothing to do with neutrality, but a lot with
WP:OVERCAT. I don't know of a
Category:People referenced in Princeton University books, because that would be a non-defining characteristic. Any researcher who intends to identify "the type of mentions" would be better advised to turn to the source itself, which has been edited and published with an index.--
Assayer (
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18:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete trivial; where someone is mentioned is hardly notable except in the rarest circumstances (such as the Bible). I don't think that the German war reports merit such rarity.
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep, per above And I would strongly object to removing mention of this source in the articles, or in removing the transcripts.
auntieruth(talk) 16:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC) Duplicate !vote struck.
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Category:Uncensored Japanese pornography
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Speedy delete as BLP violation; delete per nom's argument above.. First of all, in virtually every case, the relevant claim is either unsourced or unreliably. Second, as the linked article points out, making such films/videos violates Japanese laws, so the category effectively accuses those listed of participating in a criminal enterprise. Third (going to regular deletion), as the nominator accurately points out, this is not a defining category, since it omits Japanese performers who make such videos released in other markets and non-Japanese performers who make such videos for the Japanese market.
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14:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
1) There are tons of uncensored Japanese porn out there, in fact it is more common than not on say pornhub.com. It should be no problem to add sources for each title but that should not be more necessary than for censored porn. 2) It is legal for them to sell uncensored films internationally. --
Gstree (
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14:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I would like to make the observation that the topic of uncensored Japanese pornography is indeed notable. The topic is covered (but in insufficient detail) at
Pornography in Japan#Censorship laws and
Censorship_in_Japan#Pornography. It has recently received coverage in an ongoing series by the
Asahi Shimbun about the problem of women being coerced into the pornography industry. The president and other management from one of the biggest companies have recently been arrested for providing uncensored material via foreign-based websites. The interpretation of the law is not a simple task though, and it is only recently that they made a mistake which allowed the police to pounce. Another issue raised as part of Asahi's reporting is women being tricked into appearing in uncensored films, believing they were to be censored. I will track down the sources for all of this when I can. The delete votes, particularly by The Big Bad Wolfowitz, do raise valid concerns with listing specific people within such a category. I would just like to make the preliminary note that the topic itself should not be dismissed due to the current lack of explanation about the significance in our articles.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
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05:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, expansion of the sections
Pornography in Japan#Censorship laws and
Censorship_in_Japan#Pornography would be useful. It does not, however, change my view on the category itself; it's still based on OR and is non-defining. For the category to be sustainable we need reliable secondary sources that consistently describe the subjects in this way. This material within the articles is often cited to the film titles themselves, which I believe to be a classic definition of OR. Please see
WP:CATDEF:
A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having...
Comment/Question is anyone notable for this rather than just being an actor appearing in pornography generally? We don't tend to categorize actors by the subgenres in which they appear.
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23:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, from what I've read in the articles it seems that the answer to
Carlossuarez46' question is negative, they are just pornography actors in general, not acting specifically in uncensored. So this can't be defining.
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Delete Being a member of the military of Nazi Germany seems pretty defining, getting this cursory award for being in 15+, 25+, or 50+ fights seems pretty arbitrary.
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Nominator's rationale:merge, they have the same scope. They are not part of an established tree, other Soviet Socialist Republics don't have this distinction.
Marcocapelle (
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07:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment - not sure, since we can have "History of foo subdivision" categories in case the "foo subdivision" category is well populated (with history, geography, demographics, etc topics).
GreyShark (
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07:02, 23 February 2017 (UTC)reply
In the end everything about a former country is history, but it's true that sometimes history by topic (e.g. geographic history) of a former country gets its own category. That happens mostly with long-lasting big former countries, not with former subdivions like nominated here.
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19:06, 23 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Military personnel referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht
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Nominator's rationale: Non-defining category, with the "mentioning in the
Wehrmachtbericht" (Wehrmacht Report) often being cited to the collection the reports themselves. Does not meet
WP:CATDEF, being an obscure and debatable award.
Previous discussion in 2014 closed as no consensus. Since then, several discussions on the relevance of the Wehrmachtbericht Report have taken place, for example,
London Gazette vs Wehrmachtbericht, with the consensus being that the reports were unreliable propaganda. The transcripts have subsequently been removed from the articles.
Keep. The category is useful in identifying how and why the the Wehrmachtbericht was used. it is helpful to researchers in identifying the type of mentions. The Federal Archives of Germany, represented by Erich Murawski, have published a list of all 1,500+ people referenced in the Wehrmachtbericht. We have Categories that reference Dictionary of National Biography. We have categories that relate to sources, such as Category:Princeton University Press books .... I don't see the point in deleting it. Furthermore, deletion does not maintain a neutral point of view. Finally, (for now), the Wehrmachtbericht was an important information sources during WWII for the German population, at least for the military portion. We may not like what it said, we may not agree with what it said (today), but historically, it was said. We also cite other sources (1911 Britannica, for example) as categories
auntieruth(talk)15:03, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete It's a case of
WP:NONDEF. It was meant and is considered to be a military award of Nazi Germany, but is not important enough to create notability. It is by no means comparable to a biographical dictionary or even an academic publication. And this is not a category that relates to the Wehrmachtbericht as a source. Such a category would have to include contributors and editors. It would most likely be a subcategory of
Category:Nazi propagandists and worthwhile discussing. The category under review, however, is not of that kind, and deletion has nothing to do with neutrality, but a lot with
WP:OVERCAT. I don't know of a
Category:People referenced in Princeton University books, because that would be a non-defining characteristic. Any researcher who intends to identify "the type of mentions" would be better advised to turn to the source itself, which has been edited and published with an index.--
Assayer (
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18:51, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete trivial; where someone is mentioned is hardly notable except in the rarest circumstances (such as the Bible). I don't think that the German war reports merit such rarity.
Carlossuarez46 (
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23:24, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Keep, per above And I would strongly object to removing mention of this source in the articles, or in removing the transcripts.
auntieruth(talk) 16:38, 23 February 2017 (UTC) Duplicate !vote struck.
Pppery15:26, 24 February 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Uncensored Japanese pornography
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Speedy delete as BLP violation; delete per nom's argument above.. First of all, in virtually every case, the relevant claim is either unsourced or unreliably. Second, as the linked article points out, making such films/videos violates Japanese laws, so the category effectively accuses those listed of participating in a criminal enterprise. Third (going to regular deletion), as the nominator accurately points out, this is not a defining category, since it omits Japanese performers who make such videos released in other markets and non-Japanese performers who make such videos for the Japanese market.
The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by many administrators since 2006. (
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14:06, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
1) There are tons of uncensored Japanese porn out there, in fact it is more common than not on say pornhub.com. It should be no problem to add sources for each title but that should not be more necessary than for censored porn. 2) It is legal for them to sell uncensored films internationally. --
Gstree (
talk)
14:40, 20 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment I would like to make the observation that the topic of uncensored Japanese pornography is indeed notable. The topic is covered (but in insufficient detail) at
Pornography in Japan#Censorship laws and
Censorship_in_Japan#Pornography. It has recently received coverage in an ongoing series by the
Asahi Shimbun about the problem of women being coerced into the pornography industry. The president and other management from one of the biggest companies have recently been arrested for providing uncensored material via foreign-based websites. The interpretation of the law is not a simple task though, and it is only recently that they made a mistake which allowed the police to pounce. Another issue raised as part of Asahi's reporting is women being tricked into appearing in uncensored films, believing they were to be censored. I will track down the sources for all of this when I can. The delete votes, particularly by The Big Bad Wolfowitz, do raise valid concerns with listing specific people within such a category. I would just like to make the preliminary note that the topic itself should not be dismissed due to the current lack of explanation about the significance in our articles.
AtHomeIn神戸 (
talk)
05:53, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Yes, expansion of the sections
Pornography in Japan#Censorship laws and
Censorship_in_Japan#Pornography would be useful. It does not, however, change my view on the category itself; it's still based on OR and is non-defining. For the category to be sustainable we need reliable secondary sources that consistently describe the subjects in this way. This material within the articles is often cited to the film titles themselves, which I believe to be a classic definition of OR. Please see
WP:CATDEF:
A central concept used in categorising articles is that of the defining characteristics of a subject of the article. A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having...
Comment/Question is anyone notable for this rather than just being an actor appearing in pornography generally? We don't tend to categorize actors by the subgenres in which they appear.
Carlossuarez46 (
talk)
23:28, 21 February 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete, from what I've read in the articles it seems that the answer to
Carlossuarez46' question is negative, they are just pornography actors in general, not acting specifically in uncensored. So this can't be defining.
Marcocapelle (
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22:13, 8 March 2017 (UTC)reply
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