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Category:Sri Lankan physicians
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Reverse merge; the article is
physician. Are you saying that people speak of "medical doctors" more than they do of "physicians"? As far as I'm aware, the only standard terms are "doctors" and "physicians" worldwide, and since "doctors" is ambiguous, this category must use "physicians" unless you can demonstrate that the full "medical doctors", not merely "doctors", is standard enough to warrant an ENGVAR exemption.
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14:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)reply
In countries of the former British Empire physicians is not commonly used, as they tend to look to the UK for training, and use British terminology, at least when using the English language.
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11:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. I demonstrated elsewhere that I could find hundreds of thousands of uses of "medical doctor". Over 100,000 connected just with one individual. Beyond this, in Sri Lanka, physician is a specific sub-set of medical doctor, and cannot in any way, shape, means or form be used as the equivalent of medical doctor.
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Category:University of Alaska System
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Nominator's rationale: Article's at
University of Alaska system; it was moved from System to system in 2014. I didn't want a CFDS because this isn't a clear-cut situation: sometimes "system" can be a description, while other times it can be a formal part of the title, and not knowing anything about the subject, I was hesitant to assume that "system" was correct. I'd be fine with a rename, but I'd equally be fine with votes such as "Oppose; the article should be renamed". If this is closed as unsuccessful for that reason, I'll move the article back or request a move.
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Years and decades in medieval Africa
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Nominator's rationale: merge/delete per
WP:SMALLCAT, the categories mostly consist of only one article. The intention of the proposal is to upmerge the medieval year and decade categories of the whole continent Africa to centuries and to upmerge the medieval year and decade categories of the separate African countries to centuries. Even for the whole continent there isn't sufficient content per year or decade.
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various Military physicians nationality categories
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Nominator's rationale in the military context doctors will only mean medical doctors, so since this is the most common term used for this profession, it is a proper following of the common name guidelines to so name all these categories.
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Ghanaian physicians
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Nominator's rationale To get some background I did a study on the Ghanaian medical doctor I know the best, Emmanuel Abu Kissi (I have actually met him, but that is another story). All the sources I could find refered to him as a doctor, a medical doctor, or a surgeon. Not one ever called him a physician. My general impression is that a large percentage of the medical doctors in Ghana have been trained in Britian, and of the ones who have not, they are likely to have been trained by men like Dr. Kissi, who was trained in Britain and on his return to Ghana was an instructor in a medical college before he established his own hospital. In the British medical system the term "medical doctor" is the only one that encompasses what is meant to be covered by this category, physician being a specific sub-set of it.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose per my rationale on Sri Lanka above. You've presented no evidence that "medical doctor" is the standard term in Ghana, so it gets no WP:ENGVAR exemption.
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14:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No one has ever argued that physician is an unused term in Ghana, only that it is not the equivalent of medical doctor, but a specific subset of medical doctor.
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00:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment a search of google using medical doctor in quotes plus Ghana results in over 372,000 hits. Here is just one example
[2]. Here we have this
[3] from a Ghanaian news site. I could go on, and on, and on. I just have a sense that my observations on this matter are largely ignored by people who don't really want evidence, they want to use a lack of evidence to keep the status quo.
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Fijian military physicians
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Panamanian military physicians
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Nominator's rationale There are a lot of reasons to do this. 1- the parent category is
Category:Panamanian medical doctors. 2- It is generally agreed that doctor is the most common name for this profession, and in the military field there is no confusion with other meanings of doctor. 3- physician is a term used primarily in very technical settings, and in no way in compliance with the common name guidelines. This is more true because in different forms of English it has different meanings, which make it less than fully useful in this setting.
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Soviet physicians
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Nominator's rationale In many places where English is used, surgeons are not a sub-set of physicians. So the fact they are here will seem irregular to those who use British English. Even in the United States, medical doctor is a widely used and acceptable term. Recent searches showed well over 100 thousand google hits for "medical dcotr" when paired with two prominent American medical doctors. Some might argue a better reflection of actual use would be
Category:Soviet doctors (medical). I am not heavily attached to either form, but am convinced that one or the other would be a clear better reflection of common name rules than the current form.
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02:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
For the last 150 years or so surgeons have been trained in most places with all the other doctors, and they specialise after their initial training. In that sense surgeons are a subset of physicians.
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16:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
In reviewing the articles in this category I have not yet found one which contains the words "medical doctor". The term physician appears frequently, and the term doctor less so, and some use the term medic, which I have rarely seen in respect of any other country.
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18:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I may well have, but I have reviewed several thousand articles about doctors and I am confident that in Wikipedia articles the words "medical doctor" rarely appear.
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@
Allen4names. This category is auto-poulated by a mesh of std sandbox templates. Reverting
that edit by @
AzaToth will (AFAICS)a remove a part of the the testing framework. What is the point of that? What is the benefit of @
Mr. Guye's nom? Why is anyone's time being diverted into unravelling this? This is not a content category, and I don't see how it should be of any concern to reader or editors whether this cat exists. Just keep it out of cleanup lists such as
Special:WantedCategories, keep it out of CfD, and do something more productive. --
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Category:Sri Lankan physicians
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Reverse merge; the article is
physician. Are you saying that people speak of "medical doctors" more than they do of "physicians"? As far as I'm aware, the only standard terms are "doctors" and "physicians" worldwide, and since "doctors" is ambiguous, this category must use "physicians" unless you can demonstrate that the full "medical doctors", not merely "doctors", is standard enough to warrant an ENGVAR exemption.
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14:51, 16 December 2017 (UTC)reply
In countries of the former British Empire physicians is not commonly used, as they tend to look to the UK for training, and use British terminology, at least when using the English language.
Rathfelder (
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11:47, 17 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Merge per nom. I demonstrated elsewhere that I could find hundreds of thousands of uses of "medical doctor". Over 100,000 connected just with one individual. Beyond this, in Sri Lanka, physician is a specific sub-set of medical doctor, and cannot in any way, shape, means or form be used as the equivalent of medical doctor.
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Category:University of Alaska System
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University of Alaska system; it was moved from System to system in 2014. I didn't want a CFDS because this isn't a clear-cut situation: sometimes "system" can be a description, while other times it can be a formal part of the title, and not knowing anything about the subject, I was hesitant to assume that "system" was correct. I'd be fine with a rename, but I'd equally be fine with votes such as "Oppose; the article should be renamed". If this is closed as unsuccessful for that reason, I'll move the article back or request a move.
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Years and decades in medieval Africa
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WP:SMALLCAT, the categories mostly consist of only one article. The intention of the proposal is to upmerge the medieval year and decade categories of the whole continent Africa to centuries and to upmerge the medieval year and decade categories of the separate African countries to centuries. Even for the whole continent there isn't sufficient content per year or decade.
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Nominator's rationale in the military context doctors will only mean medical doctors, so since this is the most common term used for this profession, it is a proper following of the common name guidelines to so name all these categories.
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04:00, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
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Ghanaian physicians
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Nominator's rationale To get some background I did a study on the Ghanaian medical doctor I know the best, Emmanuel Abu Kissi (I have actually met him, but that is another story). All the sources I could find refered to him as a doctor, a medical doctor, or a surgeon. Not one ever called him a physician. My general impression is that a large percentage of the medical doctors in Ghana have been trained in Britian, and of the ones who have not, they are likely to have been trained by men like Dr. Kissi, who was trained in Britain and on his return to Ghana was an instructor in a medical college before he established his own hospital. In the British medical system the term "medical doctor" is the only one that encompasses what is meant to be covered by this category, physician being a specific sub-set of it.
John Pack Lambert (
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03:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
Oppose per my rationale on Sri Lanka above. You've presented no evidence that "medical doctor" is the standard term in Ghana, so it gets no WP:ENGVAR exemption.
Nyttend (
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14:54, 16 December 2017 (UTC)reply
No one has ever argued that physician is an unused term in Ghana, only that it is not the equivalent of medical doctor, but a specific subset of medical doctor.
John Pack Lambert (
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00:08, 6 January 2018 (UTC)reply
Comment a search of google using medical doctor in quotes plus Ghana results in over 372,000 hits. Here is just one example
[2]. Here we have this
[3] from a Ghanaian news site. I could go on, and on, and on. I just have a sense that my observations on this matter are largely ignored by people who don't really want evidence, they want to use a lack of evidence to keep the status quo.
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00:13, 6 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Fijian military physicians
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Panamanian military physicians
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Nominator's rationale There are a lot of reasons to do this. 1- the parent category is
Category:Panamanian medical doctors. 2- It is generally agreed that doctor is the most common name for this profession, and in the military field there is no confusion with other meanings of doctor. 3- physician is a term used primarily in very technical settings, and in no way in compliance with the common name guidelines. This is more true because in different forms of English it has different meanings, which make it less than fully useful in this setting.
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Soviet physicians
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Nominator's rationale In many places where English is used, surgeons are not a sub-set of physicians. So the fact they are here will seem irregular to those who use British English. Even in the United States, medical doctor is a widely used and acceptable term. Recent searches showed well over 100 thousand google hits for "medical dcotr" when paired with two prominent American medical doctors. Some might argue a better reflection of actual use would be
Category:Soviet doctors (medical). I am not heavily attached to either form, but am convinced that one or the other would be a clear better reflection of common name rules than the current form.
John Pack Lambert (
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02:50, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
For the last 150 years or so surgeons have been trained in most places with all the other doctors, and they specialise after their initial training. In that sense surgeons are a subset of physicians.
Rathfelder (
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16:02, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
In reviewing the articles in this category I have not yet found one which contains the words "medical doctor". The term physician appears frequently, and the term doctor less so, and some use the term medic, which I have rarely seen in respect of any other country.
Rathfelder (
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18:27, 15 December 2017 (UTC)reply
I may well have, but I have reviewed several thousand articles about doctors and I am confident that in Wikipedia articles the words "medical doctor" rarely appear.
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19:51, 2 January 2018 (UTC)reply
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Allen4names. This category is auto-poulated by a mesh of std sandbox templates. Reverting
that edit by @
AzaToth will (AFAICS)a remove a part of the the testing framework. What is the point of that? What is the benefit of @
Mr. Guye's nom? Why is anyone's time being diverted into unravelling this? This is not a content category, and I don't see how it should be of any concern to reader or editors whether this cat exists. Just keep it out of cleanup lists such as
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