Category:Objects named with variable star designations
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Nominator's rationale: Shorter. Also less tautological and more accurate. Objects are not technically named with variable star designations; this also avoids the implication that the variable star designation is either the only or the preferred name.
Lithopsian (
talk) 19:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
delete Are there variable stars without a designation? This is somewhere between
WP:SHAREDNAME and just redundant to the whole variable star category tree; it's hardly
WP:DEFINING.
Mangoe (
talk) 19:41, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
This has been discussed at length previously. Yes, there are variable stars without variable star designations, and yes there are objects which are not even stars which have variable star designations, as well as some stars which are not variable but have a variable star designation anyway. So no it shouldn't be deleted, was the overwhelming consensus of the previous discussions.
Lithopsian (
talk) 20:20, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete That variability of what is named in this fashion suggests it is a
WP:SHAREDNAME (or at least shared naming convention) rather than anything intrinsic or defining.
Variable star designation confirms that.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:25, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename: "Objects named with variable star designations" is an unwieldy name, and it's good to rename it to something shorter, even if just by a bit.
Loooke (
talk) 21:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support: improves the flow and clarity of meaning.
Praemonitus (
talk) 21:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete this is categorization by shared name which we do not do.
John Pack Lambert (
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Category:Labour lawyers
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Keep. No reason to change per
WP:ENGVAR. If we did that then we would need to change every article with "labour" in the title. --
Necrothesp (
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Category:Irish revolutionary period veterans who supported Rebublicans during the Troubles
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Propose deleting:
Category:Irish revolutionary period veterans who supported Rebublicans during the Troubles -- this is a microscopic self-indulgent hagiographic overgeneralized category -- which "Republicans"?: which stage of "the Troubles"? what kind of "support" -- a sub-sub-set of Irish republican self-generating folklore. You can tell by the clunky, unwieldy wording that it has been created out of whole cloth. There are already categories regarding Irish republicans and [Irish] opponents of the Anglo-Irish Treaty (such as
Category:People of the Irish Civil War (Anti-Treaty side)) and this category fulfills none of the criteria which define the
notability of a categorization. It is self-indulgent nonsense.
Quis separabit? 13:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Republicans means all Republicans, isnt that obvious? No it doesnt, there are those who opposed the treaty but didnt support republicans during the troubles.
Apollo The Logician (
talk) 13:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment by category creator shows how meaningless, amateurish, trivial and absurd this attention-seeking microscopic sub-categorization is. It is also almost entirely subjective (i.e. in the opinion of the category creator). All republicans who opposed the Treaty support[ed] (to varying degrees and in varying ways) [at least philosophically but in other ways as well] like-minded followers of future generations. For that reason, any Irish republican alive after 1923 could qualify.What about
Martin Galvin and
Paul O'Dwyer?Quis separabit? 13:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - a month-long block for edit warring on Troubles-related articles just completed and this is an addition on day one? This category is ripe for OR and POV-pushing.
BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete misspelled as "Rebublicans", in addition to the problems listed by the nom. Article creator has been blocked indef.
Power~enwiki (
talk) 01:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete To me the biggest problem is that we do not categorize by mere "support". This is non-defining, and hard to quantify.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 04:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Someone emptied the category, anyway. Not me.
Quis separabit? 22:29, 17 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Surnames originating in England
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The result of the discussion was:rename and merge. –
FayenaticLondon 13:55, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To match convention for surname categories by culture. I don't see a reason why we have two levels for English surnames.
Mangoe (
talk) 12:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Two categories with the same scope and inconsistent with other categories. They need a merger.
Dimadick (
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Prehistoric Greece
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The result of the discussion was:Merge/delete.
Timrollpickering 14:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT. By far most articles about prehistoric Greece can merely be categorized in broad periods like
Category:Mycenaean Greece and
Category:Aegean civilizations, it's not useful to create specifically Greek century and millennium categories for a few articles that can be dated more accurately.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support - The 12th century item is actually a book suggesting that late Bronze Age civilisation collapsed in 1177 BC, which is about a disestablishment without actually being one: perhaps delete that, but do not delay closure over that quibble.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support One could with more confidence speak of a "Greece" by the 1st millennium.
Laurel Lodged (
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Category:Objects named with variable star designations
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Nominator's rationale: Shorter. Also less tautological and more accurate. Objects are not technically named with variable star designations; this also avoids the implication that the variable star designation is either the only or the preferred name.
Lithopsian (
talk) 19:11, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
delete Are there variable stars without a designation? This is somewhere between
WP:SHAREDNAME and just redundant to the whole variable star category tree; it's hardly
WP:DEFINING.
Mangoe (
talk) 19:41, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
This has been discussed at length previously. Yes, there are variable stars without variable star designations, and yes there are objects which are not even stars which have variable star designations, as well as some stars which are not variable but have a variable star designation anyway. So no it shouldn't be deleted, was the overwhelming consensus of the previous discussions.
Lithopsian (
talk) 20:20, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete That variability of what is named in this fashion suggests it is a
WP:SHAREDNAME (or at least shared naming convention) rather than anything intrinsic or defining.
Variable star designation confirms that.
RevelationDirect (
talk) 01:25, 26 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Rename: "Objects named with variable star designations" is an unwieldy name, and it's good to rename it to something shorter, even if just by a bit.
Loooke (
talk) 21:01, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support: improves the flow and clarity of meaning.
Praemonitus (
talk) 21:18, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete this is categorization by shared name which we do not do.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 03:52, 27 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Labour lawyers
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Keep. No reason to change per
WP:ENGVAR. If we did that then we would need to change every article with "labour" in the title. --
Necrothesp (
talk) 15:41, 17 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Irish revolutionary period veterans who supported Rebublicans during the Troubles
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Propose deleting:
Category:Irish revolutionary period veterans who supported Rebublicans during the Troubles -- this is a microscopic self-indulgent hagiographic overgeneralized category -- which "Republicans"?: which stage of "the Troubles"? what kind of "support" -- a sub-sub-set of Irish republican self-generating folklore. You can tell by the clunky, unwieldy wording that it has been created out of whole cloth. There are already categories regarding Irish republicans and [Irish] opponents of the Anglo-Irish Treaty (such as
Category:People of the Irish Civil War (Anti-Treaty side)) and this category fulfills none of the criteria which define the
notability of a categorization. It is self-indulgent nonsense.
Quis separabit? 13:04, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Republicans means all Republicans, isnt that obvious? No it doesnt, there are those who opposed the treaty but didnt support republicans during the troubles.
Apollo The Logician (
talk) 13:15, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Comment by category creator shows how meaningless, amateurish, trivial and absurd this attention-seeking microscopic sub-categorization is. It is also almost entirely subjective (i.e. in the opinion of the category creator). All republicans who opposed the Treaty support[ed] (to varying degrees and in varying ways) [at least philosophically but in other ways as well] like-minded followers of future generations. For that reason, any Irish republican alive after 1923 could qualify.What about
Martin Galvin and
Paul O'Dwyer?Quis separabit? 13:52, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete - a month-long block for edit warring on Troubles-related articles just completed and this is an addition on day one? This category is ripe for OR and POV-pushing.
BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 15:38, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete misspelled as "Rebublicans", in addition to the problems listed by the nom. Article creator has been blocked indef.
Power~enwiki (
talk) 01:24, 13 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Delete To me the biggest problem is that we do not categorize by mere "support". This is non-defining, and hard to quantify.
John Pack Lambert (
talk) 04:59, 14 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Someone emptied the category, anyway. Not me.
Quis separabit? 22:29, 17 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Category:Surnames originating in England
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The result of the discussion was:rename and merge. –
FayenaticLondon 13:55, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: To match convention for surname categories by culture. I don't see a reason why we have two levels for English surnames.
Mangoe (
talk) 12:16, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support Two categories with the same scope and inconsistent with other categories. They need a merger.
Dimadick (
talk) 05:54, 13 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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Prehistoric Greece
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The result of the discussion was:Merge/delete.
Timrollpickering 14:22, 7 September 2017 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per
WP:SMALLCAT. By far most articles about prehistoric Greece can merely be categorized in broad periods like
Category:Mycenaean Greece and
Category:Aegean civilizations, it's not useful to create specifically Greek century and millennium categories for a few articles that can be dated more accurately.
Marcocapelle (
talk) 05:35, 11 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support - The 12th century item is actually a book suggesting that late Bronze Age civilisation collapsed in 1177 BC, which is about a disestablishment without actually being one: perhaps delete that, but do not delay closure over that quibble.
Peterkingiron (
talk) 17:23, 12 August 2017 (UTC)reply
Support One could with more confidence speak of a "Greece" by the 1st millennium.
Laurel Lodged (
talk) 20:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)reply
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