- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
07:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Propose Upmerging Category:Pilot-Cosmonauts of the USSR to Category:Soviet cosmonauts
- Propose Upmerging Category:Pilot-Cosmonauts of the Russian Federation to Category:Russian cosmonauts
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD ( WP:NONDEFINING)
- According to the main articles, Pilot-Cosmonaut of the USSR and Pilot-Cosmonaut of the Russian Federation, every Soviet or Russian cosmonaut automatically receive this award when they first go into space. What categories are next: singers who sing, doctors that treat patients, runners who run? The award recipients in these categories are curently listed here and here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: The notified Folks at 137 as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Spaceflight. – RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Background We recently deleted an identical American/NASA award here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Support -- Originally, at least, they were all pilots. It may be that there are now some who are just scientific members of the crew. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete At least the Soviet one was an award, given to everyone who actually did a mission. So this is an overalp category that is an award category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
07:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Royal National Theatre Company members
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:NONDEFINING
- I don't object to employer categories for showbiz people if their employees tend to work there for much of their career. So I looked at the first 5 articles alphabetically and here is what I found: 1 - No Mention, 2 - One play in 2004, 3 - "from time to time" in the 1970s, 4 - No Mention, 5 - One play in 2009. Clicking randomly through some more articles, this seems to be representative. The Royal National Theatre is certainly respected and is a national symbol of the UK but that prestige doesn't make individual performances there any more defining for the actors in this category. We have a partial List of Royal National Theatre Company actors but I'm reluctant to just add the hundreds of members of this category since so many are unsourced. (I did list the category contents on that talk page so no work is lost though.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: I
notified Orbicle as the category creator and I added this discussion to
WikiProject Theatre. –
RevelationDirect (
talk)
01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Background Back n 2007, this category was deleted in a Category For Discussion here but was later restored in Deletion Review here as no consensus. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: fairly unambiguous performer by venue category. • DP • {huh?} 02:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete – I also checked several articles at random, none of which mentioned this membership. The Royal National Theatre article doesn't explain why membership would be a big deal or how it is achieved. So it seems both undefining and mostly unsourced. Oculi ( talk) 11:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- If a person is a long term member of a theatrical company, and not working for other employers of actors, such a category might have some validity. However, I suspect that like most theatrical (film, TV, etc) employment it is relatively casual. If so, it will fail PERFCAT. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete This is more a performer by venue than performer by employer category. Of course I have come to realize we really should merge stage, TV and film actor categories all into one, and then just leave the break down by other specifics, since I can name off people who played the same role on both stage and film, and people who did the same role on both TV and film (William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Nichelle Nichols, etc come to mind the fastest). However I lack the energy to nominate the hundreds of categories involved. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge. ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Merge for Now since it hinders navigation but no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 articles. RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
07:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Propose Upmerging Category:Pilot-Cosmonauts of the USSR to Category:Soviet cosmonauts
- Propose Upmerging Category:Pilot-Cosmonauts of the Russian Federation to Category:Russian cosmonauts
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:OCAWARD ( WP:NONDEFINING)
- According to the main articles, Pilot-Cosmonaut of the USSR and Pilot-Cosmonaut of the Russian Federation, every Soviet or Russian cosmonaut automatically receive this award when they first go into space. What categories are next: singers who sing, doctors that treat patients, runners who run? The award recipients in these categories are curently listed here and here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: The notified Folks at 137 as the category creator and I added this discussion to WikiProject Spaceflight. – RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Background We recently deleted an identical American/NASA award here. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Support -- Originally, at least, they were all pilots. It may be that there are now some who are just scientific members of the crew. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:49, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete At least the Soviet one was an award, given to everyone who actually did a mission. So this is an overalp category that is an award category. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:21, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: delete.
Good Ol’factory
(talk)
07:13, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Royal National Theatre Company members
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT and WP:NONDEFINING
- I don't object to employer categories for showbiz people if their employees tend to work there for much of their career. So I looked at the first 5 articles alphabetically and here is what I found: 1 - No Mention, 2 - One play in 2004, 3 - "from time to time" in the 1970s, 4 - No Mention, 5 - One play in 2009. Clicking randomly through some more articles, this seems to be representative. The Royal National Theatre is certainly respected and is a national symbol of the UK but that prestige doesn't make individual performances there any more defining for the actors in this category. We have a partial List of Royal National Theatre Company actors but I'm reluctant to just add the hundreds of members of this category since so many are unsourced. (I did list the category contents on that talk page so no work is lost though.) - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Note: I
notified Orbicle as the category creator and I added this discussion to
WikiProject Theatre. –
RevelationDirect (
talk)
01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Background Back n 2007, this category was deleted in a Category For Discussion here but was later restored in Deletion Review here as no consensus. - RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete: fairly unambiguous performer by venue category. • DP • {huh?} 02:37, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete – I also checked several articles at random, none of which mentioned this membership. The Royal National Theatre article doesn't explain why membership would be a big deal or how it is achieved. So it seems both undefining and mostly unsourced. Oculi ( talk) 11:29, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Comment -- If a person is a long term member of a theatrical company, and not working for other employers of actors, such a category might have some validity. However, I suspect that like most theatrical (film, TV, etc) employment it is relatively casual. If so, it will fail PERFCAT. Peterkingiron ( talk) 16:53, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Delete This is more a performer by venue than performer by employer category. Of course I have come to realize we really should merge stage, TV and film actor categories all into one, and then just leave the break down by other specifics, since I can name off people who played the same role on both stage and film, and people who did the same role on both TV and film (William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, Nichelle Nichols, etc come to mind the fastest). However I lack the energy to nominate the hundreds of categories involved. John Pack Lambert ( talk) 04:25, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge. ( non-admin closure) Marcocapelle ( talk) 05:12, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. Small one-county community with just two entries. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 00:06, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- Merge for Now since it hinders navigation but no objection to recreating if it ever gets up to 5 articles. RevelationDirect ( talk) 01:38, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
- The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.