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Upmerge to
Category:Internal migration. The category contains internal migration by country (mostly) or continent (incidentally) - but not by region. Since it is too small to split between a country and a continent subcat it seems better to just merge it to the parent.
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In principle support but I would question whether this should be split down to district level. I would have thought that "South Yorkshire" was the lowest level that we need.
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. This is not a straight "do not rename", because I think the nominator has an extremely strong argument here: this was a nomination to simply make these category names consistent with all of the other burial categories. There is little reason to have some that use "in" and some that use "at" (unless a distinction is going to be drawn between crypts vs. cemeteries, as discussed – but that distinction is not what exists currently). (Personally, I think it would be easier to just have one standard naming format and apply it to all of these burial categories, but sometimes divergent user opinion makes things more complicated. But I don't think it would be considered "bad" English to say that someone was buried "at a crypt" or "at a cemetery", nor would it be considered "bad" to say that they were buried "in a crypt" or "in a cemetery". YMMV. We should just choose one and go with it rather than having two different standards for no apparent reason, as is the result of this discussion.)
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:55, 5 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I strongly support RevelationDirect's suggestion. Without consolidation these nominations will probably end up as a procedural keep or no consensus, like
this earlier batch of nominations. It makes sense to divide the burials in two groups, one with cemeteries (which look like entirely uncontroversial
WP:C2C nominations and could have been posted at
CFDS) and one for the remaining burials categories, for which there may be some more discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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03:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Support above comments about consolidating into groupings - then we can see what is going on, as it is it is not something to make a comment at every nomination
JarrahTree08:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I am afraid I cannot work out how to nominate a group of categories. But you are quite right that
CFDS would have been more appropriate, had I remembered it. I don't think any of these are controversial. There are hundreds of burial in cemeteteries categories, all using "at". I don't think there is anything different about any of these.
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I already told you in the previous discussion, there is no way if you mean an automated way. If you're starting a nomination it just requires typing. If you want to correct it afterwards, which you can still do, it requires that you edit this discussion page and put the nominations together, and you need to adapt the CfD templates on the category pages such that they point to the right section on this discussion page. I agree that it would be nice if batch nominations could become a bit more automated, but that it is not the case yet.
Marcocapelle (
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04:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
The nominations have been bundled. Not sure why everyone needs to complain about it, it only takes about three minutes of work... --
Tavix(
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Personally I'm neutral here because it concerns linguistics, I'd be fine with "in a cemetery" or "at a cemetery" either way. But I can just imagine that if the noun is not cemetery, that some people more strongly find "in" an appropriate preposition, for example "in the crypt", that's why I suggested to split the discussion in two groups.
Marcocapelle (
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04:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I'd be perfectly happy with a differentiation, but I'm not sure it would work. Some articles using the term cemetery may actually relate to something I would call a crypt. And I'm not sure that the distinction is of much utility.
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11:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep as is for now english is such lovely language because the burial(event) can take place at a cemetery, but one is buried in a cemetery during that event(it probably should be clarified as whether the articles are about the event or about people who were burried in there).. It's an internment in a crypt not a burial so I suggest that the cyrpt categories be renamed to Internments in Foo cryptGnangarra11:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment I have broader concerns that, unless the burial locations is an honor or a battlefield, these aren't defining. I have no opinion on the which pronoun to use though.
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00:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)reply
now its relatively easy to bury a person anywhere, but that hasnt always been the case and the fact a person is buried somewhere is a defining characteristic as the place chosen to bury that person is an indication of the persons importance, as to what the persons family/friends felt was where the person had their greatest connection.
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The result of the discussion was:rename. I was able to add to the single article in the category and place another 12 articles in it and one subcategory, so I assume this takes care of the concern about the category being small. I don't think
WP:SMALLCAT ever applied, since unless there was only one building or structure in Barnstaple there is no reason that the category would have ever had "no potential for growth".Good Ol’factory(talk)04:37, 5 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:delete, traditional is not a useful categorization criterion, if an article belongs in a Vietnamese category then it's pretty likely that it is indeed traditionally Vietnamese. (No need to merge the category, because every article is in another Vietnamese category already.)
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Delete -- I also checked. All the Vietnamese items had another Vietnamese category. The other two were not specifically Vietnamese and do not need one.
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Upmerge to
Category:Internal migration. The category contains internal migration by country (mostly) or continent (incidentally) - but not by region. Since it is too small to split between a country and a continent subcat it seems better to just merge it to the parent.
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In principle support but I would question whether this should be split down to district level. I would have thought that "South Yorkshire" was the lowest level that we need.
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The result of the discussion was:no consensus. This is not a straight "do not rename", because I think the nominator has an extremely strong argument here: this was a nomination to simply make these category names consistent with all of the other burial categories. There is little reason to have some that use "in" and some that use "at" (unless a distinction is going to be drawn between crypts vs. cemeteries, as discussed – but that distinction is not what exists currently). (Personally, I think it would be easier to just have one standard naming format and apply it to all of these burial categories, but sometimes divergent user opinion makes things more complicated. But I don't think it would be considered "bad" English to say that someone was buried "at a crypt" or "at a cemetery", nor would it be considered "bad" to say that they were buried "in a crypt" or "in a cemetery". YMMV. We should just choose one and go with it rather than having two different standards for no apparent reason, as is the result of this discussion.)
Good Ol’factory(talk)04:55, 5 October 2016 (UTC)reply
I strongly support RevelationDirect's suggestion. Without consolidation these nominations will probably end up as a procedural keep or no consensus, like
this earlier batch of nominations. It makes sense to divide the burials in two groups, one with cemeteries (which look like entirely uncontroversial
WP:C2C nominations and could have been posted at
CFDS) and one for the remaining burials categories, for which there may be some more discussion.
Marcocapelle (
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03:21, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Support above comments about consolidating into groupings - then we can see what is going on, as it is it is not something to make a comment at every nomination
JarrahTree08:30, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I am afraid I cannot work out how to nominate a group of categories. But you are quite right that
CFDS would have been more appropriate, had I remembered it. I don't think any of these are controversial. There are hundreds of burial in cemeteteries categories, all using "at". I don't think there is anything different about any of these.
Rathfelder (
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14:33, 19 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I already told you in the previous discussion, there is no way if you mean an automated way. If you're starting a nomination it just requires typing. If you want to correct it afterwards, which you can still do, it requires that you edit this discussion page and put the nominations together, and you need to adapt the CfD templates on the category pages such that they point to the right section on this discussion page. I agree that it would be nice if batch nominations could become a bit more automated, but that it is not the case yet.
Marcocapelle (
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04:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
The nominations have been bundled. Not sure why everyone needs to complain about it, it only takes about three minutes of work... --
Tavix(
talk)05:00, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Personally I'm neutral here because it concerns linguistics, I'd be fine with "in a cemetery" or "at a cemetery" either way. But I can just imagine that if the noun is not cemetery, that some people more strongly find "in" an appropriate preposition, for example "in the crypt", that's why I suggested to split the discussion in two groups.
Marcocapelle (
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04:53, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
I'd be perfectly happy with a differentiation, but I'm not sure it would work. Some articles using the term cemetery may actually relate to something I would call a crypt. And I'm not sure that the distinction is of much utility.
Rathfelder (
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11:46, 20 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep as is for now english is such lovely language because the burial(event) can take place at a cemetery, but one is buried in a cemetery during that event(it probably should be clarified as whether the articles are about the event or about people who were burried in there).. It's an internment in a crypt not a burial so I suggest that the cyrpt categories be renamed to Internments in Foo cryptGnangarra11:45, 22 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment I have broader concerns that, unless the burial locations is an honor or a battlefield, these aren't defining. I have no opinion on the which pronoun to use though.
RevelationDirect (
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00:12, 3 October 2016 (UTC)reply
now its relatively easy to bury a person anywhere, but that hasnt always been the case and the fact a person is buried somewhere is a defining characteristic as the place chosen to bury that person is an indication of the persons importance, as to what the persons family/friends felt was where the person had their greatest connection.
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The result of the discussion was:rename. I was able to add to the single article in the category and place another 12 articles in it and one subcategory, so I assume this takes care of the concern about the category being small. I don't think
WP:SMALLCAT ever applied, since unless there was only one building or structure in Barnstaple there is no reason that the category would have ever had "no potential for growth".Good Ol’factory(talk)04:37, 5 October 2016 (UTC)reply
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Nominator's rationale:delete, traditional is not a useful categorization criterion, if an article belongs in a Vietnamese category then it's pretty likely that it is indeed traditionally Vietnamese. (No need to merge the category, because every article is in another Vietnamese category already.)
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06:23, 18 September 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete -- I also checked. All the Vietnamese items had another Vietnamese category. The other two were not specifically Vietnamese and do not need one.
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