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Support, presuming no-one has recently emptied the category. The 'historical' bit is subjective and the category is currently empty anyway. The Houses of Iran category tree is small enough to not require further dissipation at the moment.
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Category:Works of Qajar dynasty in Bushire
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Category:The X Factor (Australian TV series) judges
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Note I've just added two other categories created by the same user at the same time, relating to the same programme. These should be deleted for the same reason.
anemoneprojectors18:01, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Environmental issues with population
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That is also an option. I hadn't proposed a merge at the start because the content of the two categories is quite distinct, in the target the focus is on environmental impact while in the nominated category the focus is on human activities.
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Category:Ancient lost cities and towns
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I have to disagree and vote to oppose the deletion of this new category (or replace it with a "Major lost cities" category.) The
Category:Lost cities and towns is too large and it includes a huge number of obscure, mainly tiny locations in the U.S., "burying" the lost ancient cities of major interest in Archaeology. That's why I have created the new sub-category
Category:Ancient lost cities and towns, to be able to distinguish them easily. Seriously, the ancient city of
Akkad, former capital of the
Akkadian Empire and a "major target" of History, has nothing to do with
Ahapchingas, California except for being both lost populated places, with all due respect to the Tongva people. --
MaeseLeon (
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06:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment' Ok, I can see a rationale and would support a better defined category. I don't think major would work as I can't see a way of defining major. "Ancient" is better than "major" but I think still too ambiguous. I suggest posting this cfd at wikiproject archaeology to get input from there.
Doug Wellertalk08:16, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
How is the average lay editor going to know which category is appropriate? I think the main article has a different audience than most articles on history or archaeology. And the problem with "Ancient" is there is no clear date.
Ancient Vietnam for instance ends in 111 BCE.
Doug Wellertalk09:21, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename if we can come up with a better one. I agree that it's awkwardly named, but useful to distinguish from those currently in
Category:Lost cities and towns. Perhaps they could be categorised by era, with these ones being defined under "Antiquity"? ‑‑YodinT23:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The word order is also bad – if we followed the current setup we would end up with, "Medieval lost cities and towns" etc., which just isn't great English; "Lost medieval cities and towns" & "Lost ancient cities and towns" would be better. ‑‑YodinT11:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
RenameCategory:Lost ancient cities and towns and purge, or rather merge to
Category:Ancient lost cities and towns, as that exists. Most of the articles that I sampled referred to a place mentioned in Greek or Roman literary sources, but we do not know where they are. That is different from depopulated places and archaeological sites. If there are medieval examples they probably need to go into that. One came from legend and an author's attempt to locate it.
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15:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
So I was. How silly! This discussion got off to a wrong start by someone bringing in a Californian depopulated town, which should not be in the category.
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17:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Catholic Church in Madeira
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Support If there was a clear difference with Catholicism on the island, I would support the separate category. (In that case, there would probably be more articles.)
RevelationDirect (
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03:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep category - Part of Portugal, but quite distinct, similar to
Catholic Church in the Azores, for example. I've added "Category:Catholic Church in Portugal" to the page so it shows up in the the main Portuguese Catholic category as well. The two should remain separate.
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Support, presuming no-one has recently emptied the category. The 'historical' bit is subjective and the category is currently empty anyway. The Houses of Iran category tree is small enough to not require further dissipation at the moment.
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20:50, 12 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Works of Qajar dynasty in Bushire
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Category:The X Factor (Australian TV series) judges
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Note I've just added two other categories created by the same user at the same time, relating to the same programme. These should be deleted for the same reason.
anemoneprojectors18:01, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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That is also an option. I hadn't proposed a merge at the start because the content of the two categories is quite distinct, in the target the focus is on environmental impact while in the nominated category the focus is on human activities.
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20:39, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Ancient lost cities and towns
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I have to disagree and vote to oppose the deletion of this new category (or replace it with a "Major lost cities" category.) The
Category:Lost cities and towns is too large and it includes a huge number of obscure, mainly tiny locations in the U.S., "burying" the lost ancient cities of major interest in Archaeology. That's why I have created the new sub-category
Category:Ancient lost cities and towns, to be able to distinguish them easily. Seriously, the ancient city of
Akkad, former capital of the
Akkadian Empire and a "major target" of History, has nothing to do with
Ahapchingas, California except for being both lost populated places, with all due respect to the Tongva people. --
MaeseLeon (
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06:55, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment' Ok, I can see a rationale and would support a better defined category. I don't think major would work as I can't see a way of defining major. "Ancient" is better than "major" but I think still too ambiguous. I suggest posting this cfd at wikiproject archaeology to get input from there.
Doug Wellertalk08:16, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
How is the average lay editor going to know which category is appropriate? I think the main article has a different audience than most articles on history or archaeology. And the problem with "Ancient" is there is no clear date.
Ancient Vietnam for instance ends in 111 BCE.
Doug Wellertalk09:21, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename if we can come up with a better one. I agree that it's awkwardly named, but useful to distinguish from those currently in
Category:Lost cities and towns. Perhaps they could be categorised by era, with these ones being defined under "Antiquity"? ‑‑YodinT23:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)reply
The word order is also bad – if we followed the current setup we would end up with, "Medieval lost cities and towns" etc., which just isn't great English; "Lost medieval cities and towns" & "Lost ancient cities and towns" would be better. ‑‑YodinT11:39, 11 November 2016 (UTC)reply
RenameCategory:Lost ancient cities and towns and purge, or rather merge to
Category:Ancient lost cities and towns, as that exists. Most of the articles that I sampled referred to a place mentioned in Greek or Roman literary sources, but we do not know where they are. That is different from depopulated places and archaeological sites. If there are medieval examples they probably need to go into that. One came from legend and an author's attempt to locate it.
Peterkingiron (
talk)
15:24, 13 November 2016 (UTC)reply
So I was. How silly! This discussion got off to a wrong start by someone bringing in a Californian depopulated town, which should not be in the category.
Peterkingiron (
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17:43, 18 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Catholic Church in Madeira
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Support If there was a clear difference with Catholicism on the island, I would support the separate category. (In that case, there would probably be more articles.)
RevelationDirect (
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03:33, 27 November 2016 (UTC)reply
Keep category - Part of Portugal, but quite distinct, similar to
Catholic Church in the Azores, for example. I've added "Category:Catholic Church in Portugal" to the page so it shows up in the the main Portuguese Catholic category as well. The two should remain separate.
Scanlan (
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02:48, 29 November 2016 (UTC)reply
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