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The result of the discussion was:rename to "Universities and colleges". Although this may tend to be misleading for schools that are named Collège, "academic institutions" is no better as it includes schools anyway. –
FayenaticLondon22:53, 1 April 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Most French cities only host a single
public university or some institutes of a regional university. With some universities being forced to merge with neighboring universities, the number has further decreased. At the same time there is only a good dozen of
private universitites in the whole country.
Academic institutions in a broader sense include the
Grands établissements, the
Grandes écoles, private academies and other specialized academic institutions. The
Category:Universities in France by city or town included some twenty more subcategories for minor towns I considered very unlikely to have at least 5 academic institutions at all, some of them having less than 5.000 inhabitants. Often they didn't have a main category at all, so I already expanded scope for these ones to the
Category:Education in France by town or city scheme. The last one of these is a candidate
further below. The only category of this botched scheme I'm leaving out for now is
Category:Universities in Paris which might be considered adequate in scope. For the rest of the country,
Category:Universities in France by region is much more adequate. Finally, I'm proposing the
Category:Academic institutions scheme rather than the
Category:Universities and colleges scheme for at least two reasons: it is more adequate for single departments of regional universities and for specialized institutes. Secondly, "colleges" is slightly misleading in the French context, as
Collège is the French name for a type of secondary education institution, comparable to the North American
middle school. --
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22:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename to Universities and colleges format. That is the accepted English terminology. This is an English-language encyclopedia, so we use English. The French words do not matter in category names. The Academic institution tree includes things that are learned societies, and not educational institutions at all.
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18:12, 30 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Category:Academic institutions is a fully accepted category existing since 2004. It includes educational institutions in the narrower sense, i.e. excluding museums or libraries. It however includes research institutes, business schools, arts schools or military academies, which is exactly what is desired to correctly describe these categories' content and to slightly expand them in scope so they are no
WP:SMALLCATs anymore. I'm okay with subdividing one or the other on a case-by-case basis, but – if purged from non-universities and non-colleges – the majority of "Universities and colleges by city of France" categories will contain no more than one or two articles with limited possibilities to expand. Secondly: yes, this is the English wikipedia, where we generally prefer English terminology (and I didn't propose anything different), but from all the levels of categorization, we don't have to pick exactly the one that happens to be both a
false friendand inappropriate in scope. --
PanchoS (
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19:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Think tanks and learned societies are both in the academic institution category and are both not at all what we want to include. Your attempt to use French word usage to control what we use here is an attempt to use French to influence our word usage. Research institutes is a loose term with varried definitions, but is not what we want here. What we want is tertiary academic institutions, and the consensus term for such is universities and colleges.
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"Your attempt to use French word usage to control what we use here is an attempt to use French to influence our word usage." Swiftly been asking myself whether to laugh (because it's so ridiculous) or to cry (because it's so unnecessarily aggressive), but decided to shake my head and go on to do more relevant things than discussing this here with you. --
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Category:Units and formations of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe
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Do Not Rename This proposal would destroy the clear distinction, subcategorisation, that I created the category for. This category deals *only* with roughly 1955 onwards, units of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe, not previously. Any category name needs to recognize that subdividing the time period.
Buckshot06(talk)21:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
The Bundeswehr was the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) created from 1955 or so. They were new, and after multiple discussions, the article dealing with the air arm of that force is at
German Air Force. There was no air force in West Germany between 1945/46 and 1955.
Buckshot06(talk)07:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
As a lay reader here, it's pretty baffling to have a category using German words without a corresponding article to fill me in on the term. You may want to propose an RM on the article talk page and see if the consensus has shifted.
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Oppose as proposed per Buckshot, this category is not for the German Air Force in all its incarnations; if renamed, it will need to have a date range attached --
70.51.200.135 (
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Oppose, if a change needs to be made I suggest following the de:wiki naming scheme which uses Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) to distinguish.
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Category:Wings of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe
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Do Not Rename - this would remove the distinction between wings of the German Air Force (Wehrmacht Luftwaffe) 1933-45, and the specific reason I set the category up, to subcategorise wings of the West German Air Force from 1955 onwards (Bundeswehr Luftwaffe). There's clearly a long-running debate over how to best describe the various air forces, and whether to follow en or German naming conventions. But deleting the subcategories and throwing all the wings of the air force from 1955 onwards in with the wings of World War II is clearly against better categorisation, and thus against the purpose of this encyclopedia.
Buckshot06(talk)21:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose as proposed per Buckshot in the units and formations nomination above this nomination; this category is not for the German Air Force in all its incarnations; if renamed, it will need to have a date range attached --
70.51.200.135 (
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06:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename, not usually known as "Bundeswehr Luftwaffe". If you are concerned about confusion, disambiguate with dates. —Kusma (
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Oppose, if a change needs to be made I suggest following the de:wiki naming scheme which uses Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) to distinguish.
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Category:Mortal Kombat clones
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Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are not "clones". "Mortal Kombat clones" does not accurately describe what the articles in this category are. The games are
category:Fighting games, and that's the category they should be in, not this one. Anarchyte09:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose per reliable sources such as
WP:VG/RS calling a sufficient number of the tagged games as clones to warrant a category -- e.g.,
Tatoo Assasins,
BloodStorm,
Killer Instinct,
Misc,
Misc, etc. (These aren't but should be sourced in the articles though.) 12:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Support Reliable sources giving reviews/opinions is not an objective inclusion criteria. It's like grouping restaurants by lousy service, as per the restaurant reviews in the New York Times. The source is reliable, the opinion in it is not encyclopedic.
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Category:Tetris clones
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Category:Pac-Man clones
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Oppose per basically content of
List of Pac-Man clones and sources such as
[1]. Reliable sources have been calling a sufficient number of games in question "Pac-Man clones", so a category seems fine. It is not biased as long as we source it reliably, though I can't speak for all current games listed. —
HELLKNOWZ ▎
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Oppose This One A lot of the Pac Man issues were actually with unauthorized clones per the articles. Not some review/critic saying they thought they were clones, but legal clones. This one is different than the other categories.
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Category:Actua Sports video games
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Category:Activision Blizzard games
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Nominator's rationale: Activision Blizzard games only has subcategories. There's no need for this category when there's already Activision Blizzard. Anarchyte09:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Terrorist incidents in Burkina Faso in 2016
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Nominator's rationale: One article [nonsense] category that can fit in elsewhere (and it does). Neither are such incidents a regular feature in the country that warrants a category by year. (as in, say, Syria or Libya)
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Umm, yes that article accomplisheds the needful. This country hasn't had such an incident in eons. Every new attack in a new country doesn't need a dedicated category if there is only ONE incident. "established structure" is not blind obedience.
Lihaas (
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Dual Upmerge For Now It's certainly understandable that the 2016 tree,
Category:Terrorist incidents in 2016 is anemic since it's only January. But, if you look at
Category:Terrorist incidents in 2015, we're not subcategorizing every terrorist incident by year and country when that creates small categories that don't aid navigation. No objection to recreating it later if we get up to 3 articles are so. (Hopefully that won't be necessary.)
RevelationDirect (
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09:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete A year-by-year categorisation for the country is over the top. I think (but not 100%) that we only have one terrorist incident on Wikipedia from Burkina Faso in all history. JollyΩJanner04:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
The question is whether we may reasonably expect this category to grow substantially, for Burkano Faso this is far less the case than the other countries.
Marcocapelle (
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08:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - This is the only time (I've heard of at least) Burkina Faso had a terrorist incident and it seems a little foreshadowing because we don't know if there will be any more terrorist attacks in Burkina Faso in 2016 (LOL I almost make it seem like the category is a threat).
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Comment The one article in this category is the only article that currently exists in Wikipedia on a terrorist article in Burkina Faso. It generally makes no sense to split in any way a one article category.
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Comment The Egypt category for 2016 now also has two entries, although one is in a sub-category, which does not really seem needed. I have to wonder if terrorism incidents is the right name. The Columbine mass killings have not to my knowledge been described as a terrorism incident, but I see no good reason to have a category structure that sepearetes different mass killings for no clear or standard reason.
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Category:United Kingdom Home Office designated terrorist groups
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Territoire de Belfort
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Nominator's rationale:Territoire doesn't only sound like "territory", it also means "territory". Omitting the definite article is like speaking of District of Columbia instead of the District of Columbia. Wherever we're speaking of the Territoire de Belfort, we're already using the article, see for example
Territoire de Belfort, so this change would bring the categories in line with both common usage and our common usage. --
PanchoS (
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05:20, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Lihaas: May be true, but needs a consensus in main article namespace first. Propose you file a move request for the main article
Territoire de Belfort, and we would keep the CfR request on hold until we have a consensus there. Regards, --
PanchoS (
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Oppose, in this case "Territoire" is part of the name of the department, so it's not a regular noun, therefore neither an article rename nor the proposed category rename seem to be appropriate.
Marcocapelle (
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15:50, 23 January 2016 (UTC)reply
While I didn't propose translating "Territoire", I'm fine with either, as I said. But let's stick to my original proposal, before we get stuck on further aspects. --
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13:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Apologies I forgot to focus on the fact that the nomination is about inserting "the" rather than about "Territoire". It sounds very weird to me to insert "the" in this case, but as you have sources at hand I can only withdraw my opposition.
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Category:University research collaboratives
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Nominator's rationale: This obscure category seems to be populated more or less exclusively through a number of navboxes created by
80.13.85.217, an IP that was
very active between April and July 2012 and disappeared then after a
rather short sockpuppetry block. We don't have the term "University research collaboratives" defined anywhere and while
being mentioned in a number of scholarly publications, most
Google hits it renders are either referring to or rehashing WIkipedia. My personal suspection is that the categorization solely serves giving all kinds of private, commercial education institutes a touch of "doing research and collaborating with universities." I'm however proposing to delete the category on the basis that it is neither defined nor are there inclusion criteria nor is inclusion sourced. It clutters hundreds of universities and schools that in many cases aren't meaningfully related, in a single category that is absolutely worthless to organize content or guide readers. I'm not against having it recreated at a later point on the basis of a clear rationale. --
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a single, more appropriate category by topic (in this case albums). --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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The result of the discussion was:rename to "Universities and colleges". Although this may tend to be misleading for schools that are named Collège, "academic institutions" is no better as it includes schools anyway. –
FayenaticLondon22:53, 1 April 2016 (UTC)reply
Nominator's rationale: Most French cities only host a single
public university or some institutes of a regional university. With some universities being forced to merge with neighboring universities, the number has further decreased. At the same time there is only a good dozen of
private universitites in the whole country.
Academic institutions in a broader sense include the
Grands établissements, the
Grandes écoles, private academies and other specialized academic institutions. The
Category:Universities in France by city or town included some twenty more subcategories for minor towns I considered very unlikely to have at least 5 academic institutions at all, some of them having less than 5.000 inhabitants. Often they didn't have a main category at all, so I already expanded scope for these ones to the
Category:Education in France by town or city scheme. The last one of these is a candidate
further below. The only category of this botched scheme I'm leaving out for now is
Category:Universities in Paris which might be considered adequate in scope. For the rest of the country,
Category:Universities in France by region is much more adequate. Finally, I'm proposing the
Category:Academic institutions scheme rather than the
Category:Universities and colleges scheme for at least two reasons: it is more adequate for single departments of regional universities and for specialized institutes. Secondly, "colleges" is slightly misleading in the French context, as
Collège is the French name for a type of secondary education institution, comparable to the North American
middle school. --
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22:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename to Universities and colleges format. That is the accepted English terminology. This is an English-language encyclopedia, so we use English. The French words do not matter in category names. The Academic institution tree includes things that are learned societies, and not educational institutions at all.
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18:12, 30 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Category:Academic institutions is a fully accepted category existing since 2004. It includes educational institutions in the narrower sense, i.e. excluding museums or libraries. It however includes research institutes, business schools, arts schools or military academies, which is exactly what is desired to correctly describe these categories' content and to slightly expand them in scope so they are no
WP:SMALLCATs anymore. I'm okay with subdividing one or the other on a case-by-case basis, but – if purged from non-universities and non-colleges – the majority of "Universities and colleges by city of France" categories will contain no more than one or two articles with limited possibilities to expand. Secondly: yes, this is the English wikipedia, where we generally prefer English terminology (and I didn't propose anything different), but from all the levels of categorization, we don't have to pick exactly the one that happens to be both a
false friendand inappropriate in scope. --
PanchoS (
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19:00, 4 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Think tanks and learned societies are both in the academic institution category and are both not at all what we want to include. Your attempt to use French word usage to control what we use here is an attempt to use French to influence our word usage. Research institutes is a loose term with varried definitions, but is not what we want here. What we want is tertiary academic institutions, and the consensus term for such is universities and colleges.
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"Your attempt to use French word usage to control what we use here is an attempt to use French to influence our word usage." Swiftly been asking myself whether to laugh (because it's so ridiculous) or to cry (because it's so unnecessarily aggressive), but decided to shake my head and go on to do more relevant things than discussing this here with you. --
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Category:Units and formations of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe
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Do Not Rename This proposal would destroy the clear distinction, subcategorisation, that I created the category for. This category deals *only* with roughly 1955 onwards, units of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe, not previously. Any category name needs to recognize that subdividing the time period.
Buckshot06(talk)21:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
The Bundeswehr was the armed forces of the Federal Republic of Germany (West Germany) created from 1955 or so. They were new, and after multiple discussions, the article dealing with the air arm of that force is at
German Air Force. There was no air force in West Germany between 1945/46 and 1955.
Buckshot06(talk)07:04, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
As a lay reader here, it's pretty baffling to have a category using German words without a corresponding article to fill me in on the term. You may want to propose an RM on the article talk page and see if the consensus has shifted.
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Oppose as proposed per Buckshot, this category is not for the German Air Force in all its incarnations; if renamed, it will need to have a date range attached --
70.51.200.135 (
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06:13, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose, if a change needs to be made I suggest following the de:wiki naming scheme which uses Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) to distinguish.
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Category:Wings of the Bundeswehr Luftwaffe
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Do Not Rename - this would remove the distinction between wings of the German Air Force (Wehrmacht Luftwaffe) 1933-45, and the specific reason I set the category up, to subcategorise wings of the West German Air Force from 1955 onwards (Bundeswehr Luftwaffe). There's clearly a long-running debate over how to best describe the various air forces, and whether to follow en or German naming conventions. But deleting the subcategories and throwing all the wings of the air force from 1955 onwards in with the wings of World War II is clearly against better categorisation, and thus against the purpose of this encyclopedia.
Buckshot06(talk)21:32, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose as proposed per Buckshot in the units and formations nomination above this nomination; this category is not for the German Air Force in all its incarnations; if renamed, it will need to have a date range attached --
70.51.200.135 (
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06:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Rename, not usually known as "Bundeswehr Luftwaffe". If you are concerned about confusion, disambiguate with dates. —Kusma (
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15:25, 22 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose, if a change needs to be made I suggest following the de:wiki naming scheme which uses Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and Luftwaffe (Wehrmacht) to distinguish.
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Category:New Age music
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Category:Mortal Kombat clones
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Nominator's rationale: The articles in this category are not "clones". "Mortal Kombat clones" does not accurately describe what the articles in this category are. The games are
category:Fighting games, and that's the category they should be in, not this one. Anarchyte09:50, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose per reliable sources such as
WP:VG/RS calling a sufficient number of the tagged games as clones to warrant a category -- e.g.,
Tatoo Assasins,
BloodStorm,
Killer Instinct,
Misc,
Misc, etc. (These aren't but should be sourced in the articles though.) 12:18, 20 January 2016 (UTC)
Support Reliable sources giving reviews/opinions is not an objective inclusion criteria. It's like grouping restaurants by lousy service, as per the restaurant reviews in the New York Times. The source is reliable, the opinion in it is not encyclopedic.
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01:12, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Tetris clones
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Category:Pac-Man clones
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Oppose per basically content of
List of Pac-Man clones and sources such as
[1]. Reliable sources have been calling a sufficient number of games in question "Pac-Man clones", so a category seems fine. It is not biased as long as we source it reliably, though I can't speak for all current games listed. —
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Oppose This One A lot of the Pac Man issues were actually with unauthorized clones per the articles. Not some review/critic saying they thought they were clones, but legal clones. This one is different than the other categories.
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Category:Actua Sports video games
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Category:Activision Blizzard games
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Nominator's rationale: Activision Blizzard games only has subcategories. There's no need for this category when there's already Activision Blizzard. Anarchyte09:34, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:Terrorist incidents in Burkina Faso in 2016
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Nominator's rationale: One article [nonsense] category that can fit in elsewhere (and it does). Neither are such incidents a regular feature in the country that warrants a category by year. (as in, say, Syria or Libya)
Lihaas (
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07:33, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Umm, yes that article accomplisheds the needful. This country hasn't had such an incident in eons. Every new attack in a new country doesn't need a dedicated category if there is only ONE incident. "established structure" is not blind obedience.
Lihaas (
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08:00, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Dual Upmerge For Now It's certainly understandable that the 2016 tree,
Category:Terrorist incidents in 2016 is anemic since it's only January. But, if you look at
Category:Terrorist incidents in 2015, we're not subcategorizing every terrorist incident by year and country when that creates small categories that don't aid navigation. No objection to recreating it later if we get up to 3 articles are so. (Hopefully that won't be necessary.)
RevelationDirect (
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09:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete A year-by-year categorisation for the country is over the top. I think (but not 100%) that we only have one terrorist incident on Wikipedia from Burkina Faso in all history. JollyΩJanner04:42, 21 January 2016 (UTC)reply
The question is whether we may reasonably expect this category to grow substantially, for Burkano Faso this is far less the case than the other countries.
Marcocapelle (
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08:01, 23 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Delete - This is the only time (I've heard of at least) Burkina Faso had a terrorist incident and it seems a little foreshadowing because we don't know if there will be any more terrorist attacks in Burkina Faso in 2016 (LOL I almost make it seem like the category is a threat).
Jackninja5 (
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05:11, 26 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment The one article in this category is the only article that currently exists in Wikipedia on a terrorist article in Burkina Faso. It generally makes no sense to split in any way a one article category.
John Pack Lambert (
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17:18, 25 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Comment The Egypt category for 2016 now also has two entries, although one is in a sub-category, which does not really seem needed. I have to wonder if terrorism incidents is the right name. The Columbine mass killings have not to my knowledge been described as a terrorism incident, but I see no good reason to have a category structure that sepearetes different mass killings for no clear or standard reason.
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Category:United Kingdom Home Office designated terrorist groups
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Territoire de Belfort
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Nominator's rationale:Territoire doesn't only sound like "territory", it also means "territory". Omitting the definite article is like speaking of District of Columbia instead of the District of Columbia. Wherever we're speaking of the Territoire de Belfort, we're already using the article, see for example
Territoire de Belfort, so this change would bring the categories in line with both common usage and our common usage. --
PanchoS (
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05:20, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
@
Lihaas: May be true, but needs a consensus in main article namespace first. Propose you file a move request for the main article
Territoire de Belfort, and we would keep the CfR request on hold until we have a consensus there. Regards, --
PanchoS (
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16:38, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
Oppose, in this case "Territoire" is part of the name of the department, so it's not a regular noun, therefore neither an article rename nor the proposed category rename seem to be appropriate.
Marcocapelle (
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15:50, 23 January 2016 (UTC)reply
While I didn't propose translating "Territoire", I'm fine with either, as I said. But let's stick to my original proposal, before we get stuck on further aspects. --
PanchoS (
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13:55, 14 February 2016 (UTC)reply
Apologies I forgot to focus on the fact that the nomination is about inserting "the" rather than about "Territoire". It sounds very weird to me to insert "the" in this case, but as you have sources at hand I can only withdraw my opposition.
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Category:University research collaboratives
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Nominator's rationale: This obscure category seems to be populated more or less exclusively through a number of navboxes created by
80.13.85.217, an IP that was
very active between April and July 2012 and disappeared then after a
rather short sockpuppetry block. We don't have the term "University research collaboratives" defined anywhere and while
being mentioned in a number of scholarly publications, most
Google hits it renders are either referring to or rehashing WIkipedia. My personal suspection is that the categorization solely serves giving all kinds of private, commercial education institutes a touch of "doing research and collaborating with universities." I'm however proposing to delete the category on the basis that it is neither defined nor are there inclusion criteria nor is inclusion sourced. It clutters hundreds of universities and schools that in many cases aren't meaningfully related, in a single category that is absolutely worthless to organize content or guide readers. I'm not against having it recreated at a later point on the basis of a clear rationale. --
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02:20, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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Category:After the Burial
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Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary eponymous parent category for a single, more appropriate category by topic (in this case albums). --StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me00:06, 20 January 2016 (UTC)reply
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